Axl-Zeppelin

[coldenim]

Me being a complete Zep head, I was just thinking the other day about Axl and Merck.  Merck seems to be alot like Peter Grant.  Grant believed in Zeppelin just like Merck believes in Axl-Gnr.  Grant would protect the band with every thing he had, fending for them.  Merck as we all know took up for Axl recently, and you could tell he was mad about the article.

       Gnr like Zeppelin were and are isolationist.  Zep stayed to them selves,  and werent intimidated by the media, or there expectations.  I have just recently paid attention to Merck, and what his goals are.  I am greatful we still have someone in the music industry that is legit, and doesnt go with the same ol song and dance.  I mean a guy that manages a band like Iron Maiden, is to me a real music lover.  I think Axl new what he wanted when he came into affilliation with him.  I started to think about how Axl is regarding the music industry and I can imagine he is disgusted.  Not only with that but also on the media perspective,  I dont hold any grudges on Axl for not communicating with the fans as I once did.  This man will redeem himself I think from the fans scrutiny of his lack of communication and win each and every fans back.

I mean take Zeppelin, when they had a finished product sure they gave there fans all they had, toured and found a massive following. Did they have the pressures of the media, or the internet to squander there intuition on how to make or break themselves, no they did things there way, along with Peter Grant, they were self made.  Did they make silly little repetitive music that would be radio friendly, no they did things there way.  I mean take a song like stairway, is the length acceptable on radio, no, but with there following of there beloved fans it was the most requested song on radio, and I believe it still is. 

Just like Zeppelin I think Axl is out to change the music industry or if not that, expose it for the true garbage it really is.  I mean we have already had some of the members tell us that some songs are epic.  Not totally exceptable for radio, which leads me to believe Axl is not out there putting together songs that will be the flavor of the month.  He has always never coward to anyone, or anybodies expectations.  Sure he wants to make music that stands the test of time and like Zeppelin music integrity was everything and there music is still with us today, as is appetite and the illusions.  Lets also take in consideration Gnr will probably tour a while in Europe.  I am American, and I hate how Americans fans can be, rude and unappreciative of great music.  From what I have heard, European fans are excited and hungry for something real.  I believe Gnr will conquer there, and I think Axl knows that he will be received overwhelmingly there.  He is not that concerned about the states that much until he feels he can win us over, which probably wont be hard, even though it will be great.  There will be Americans that will jump on the train, because they think its cool along with there bling bling. 

Axl also appreciates diversity, I mean the original Gnr came from all kinds of walks of life, as far as there interest went.  adler was the Kiss guy, izzy, the rolling stones, Duff with the punk scene, and slash, Areosmith, Zeppelin.  But each had a thing to offer when all came together the sum of all parts made an incredible thing.  The thing is about the new band we dont really understand just what they can do. We all know they come from all diff. backgrounds, so we dont know exactly what they are capable of doing, but Axl sure does and he must like what he hears, because they would all be gone.  Saying all that I believe this band and Axl have made something special and I am dyin each day I live to hear it.   

 

[thelostrose]

good post. 

[willow]

Good read, you put a lot of thought into it!! And you made some good points!

[2NaFish]

i was thinking the exact same thing a few weeks back, and over the past few days i've thought of peter grant and merck being similar.

I also think there's a connection between the evolution of music in the two bands. The step between something like communication breakdown to in my time of dieing for me syncs up with it's so easy and madagascar. All brilliant songs, but it's obvious which two are on the debut albums and which two have come after a long musical journey. There's also very obvious links with the push towards more prog rock. Even though there's only one quote to back this claim up, i really think (and hope) that CD will be a modern day physical graffiti.

Good post mate.

[ppbebe]

Axl also appreciates diversity, I mean the original Gnr came from all kinds of walks of life, as far as there interest went.  adler was the Kiss guy, izzy, the rolling stones, Duff with the punk scene, and slash, Areosmith, Zeppelin.  But each had a thing to offer when all came together the sum of all parts made an incredible thing.  The thing is about the new band we dont really understand just what they can do. We all know they come from all diff. backgrounds, so we dont know exactly what they are capable of doing, but Axl sure does and he must like what he hears, because they would all be gone.  Saying all that I believe this band and Axl have made something special and I am dyin each day I live to hear it.   

 

Great post. 
Why don't you trace a thing back to its origins?

Once upon a time there was a British band called The Yardbirds. The band was successful but went through numerous member changes. In Late '68 when the last founding man quitted, the only men remained in the band other than a manager was The fourth guitarist who originally had joined the band as a relief of the bass. He was formerly an acknowledged studio musician and he called his close session mate to join the band and swiftly they found a vocalist and a drummer. The reassembled Yardbirds took over the contract and toured until a founding member staked his claim on the band name. The guitarist and the manager didn't have the right that they were compelled to change the name. Then under a new band name they went ahead with a big tour in US and then released their self titled debut album in '69. Late in the same year their self titled second album made No. 1 in UK n US.   
The rest is history?
History is made every minute.

If you ask me, I'd picture the comparisons as:

GN'R OLD                         -The Yardbirds
GN'R Chinese Democracy    -Led Zeppelin

I like Zep a lot in spite of the alleged unoriginality in composition due to the rapid pace.
As for GN'R, if they ever become a Zeppelins second coming, the 2nd will surpass the 1st coz the former don't rush. Also the diversity makes the music more diversify....of a dazzling variety. like you said.

[Elrothiel]

If you ask me, I'd picture the comparisons as:

GN'R OLD -The Yardbirds
GN'R Chinese Democracy -Led Zeppelin

I like Zep a lot in spite of the alleged unoriginality in composition due to the rapid pace.
As for GN'R, if they ever become a Zeppelins second coming, the 2nd will surpass the 1st coz the former don't rush. Also the diversity makes the music more diversify....of a dazzling variety. like you said.

Fuck me! If that's true, then New Gn'R will end up being even more legendary than the Led!! WOW!!! I fucking hope that's true, because if it is... I will be the happiest bitch alive!! Why? Because I WILL BE A PART OF IT!!! I always get so fucking jealous of all the people who were at the right age to appreciate great music back when I was too young to even know what REAL music was, so if New Gn'R become like Led Zeppelin, then I'm gunna have someone to worship who HAVEN'T split up, AND who will become legends!
Dude, maybe I'll look forward to this even more than when I look forward to my hopeful career as a pornstar! Joke! But seriously I look forward to ChiDem! I LOOK FORWARD TO CHIDEEEEEEEEEEEM!!!!

[Eva GnRAxlRosette]

Awesome post mack10! 

and ppbebe... I like the way you think! 

[ppbebe]

Cheers Eva and Elr?thiel.

Why? Because I WILL BE A PART OF IT!!! I always get so fucking jealous of all the people who were at the right age to appreciate great music back when I was too young to even know what REAL music was, so if New Gn'R become like Led Zeppelin, then I'm gunna have someone to worship who HAVEN'T split up, AND who will become legends!
Dude, maybe I'll look forward to this even more than when I look forward to my hopeful career as a pornstar! Joke! But seriously I look forward to ChiDem! I LOOK FORWARD TO CHIDEEEEEEEEEEEM!!!!

I wasn't there either.  Welcome to the club. I just read the Yardbirds-Zep saga. 
We needn't to envy them coz this band must be the best n the right one for us.
For now, Just an Allegory tho.

By the way does everybody get me?
The self titled album of the band that called itself The Yardbirds at birth is none other than............

[jgfnsr]

The connection has always been there for me being as I consider Guns N' Roses the off-shoot of Aerosmith, who in turn were the off-shoot of Led Zeppelin.

That said, while the old band may have sounded more like Aerosmith, I'm expecting the new band to sound more like a modern-day Led Zeppelin.

[WAR?]

There will never be anything quite like Led Zeppelin.

GNR and Aerosmith PUT TOGETHER are not a scintilla of Zep in my humble opinion.

That being said, the new GNR has no one to compete with but themselves. I'm sure CD will be an AMAZING rock album. One of the greats. Our kids will be talking about it years from now. This year will probably see the album's release and a great new time for rock. Drop it, Ax!

[jameslofton29]

Yeah GNR could've been the next Led Zeppelin but unfortunately it wasn't meant to be. Axl wasted too many years of his prime. From 1994-2005 GNR should have had at least 3 or 4 albums under their belt, but we're still waiting for album number one. Very sad!!

[WAR?]

GNR never had the diversity in their musical catalog to be anywhere near Led Zep. Different league. Still, you're right. Axl wasted too many years of his prime.

[younggunner]

Axl wasted too many years of his prime. From 1994-2005 GNR should have had at least 3 or 4 albums under their belt

ALthough Axl did waste his prime years for touring that doesnt mean hes wasted anything creatively.

[jameslofton29]

Yes he did waste his prime!!! If he had released material during that 11 year time frame, the music industry might look completely different today!!! Especially in the 97-99 time period when the industry didn't really know what direction to go in. Alternative was dying out and pop and rap were rearing their ugly heads. Axl could have done some serious damage to the scene at that time. 2005 is also a great year for Axl to unleaash his havoc on the world. Let's see if he blows this opportunity like he has all the others.

[younggunner]

Yes he did waste his prime!!! If he had released material during that 11 year time frame, the music industry might look completely different today!!

You are talking about 2 different things. COuld Axl have a better image than he has now if he continued to remain in the spotlight? Of course. But all of that has nothing to do with how he makes his music. He wasted his prime years being in the spotlight but his creative impact has not been affected.

2005 is also a great year for Axl to unleaash his havoc on the world.

Any year would be a great year.

[welshrose]

Guns N' Roses in anyform will not be as influential or talented as Led Zeppelin..period..end of discussion

There are similarities though, Plant and Rose both have similar voices in the sense that they have impressive ranges. Jimmy Page layed the ground work for bluesy hard rock and Slash added his own take on that foundation.

Both bands took chances with their material which is why I love both of them. Communication Breakdown sounds nothing like Ten Years Gone or Achilles Last Stand....just as Nightrain sounds nothing like November Rain which sounds nothing like Coma.

I wish GNR had released a record in like 1989 or 1990..with tracks like You Could Be Mine, and Yesterdays. They were different then Appetite and Live! Like A Suicide and had a natural progression.

The band went too different too fast which left them with nowhere really else to go..which is why I think they broke up..Axl said lets go even farther..while the Band went we already have a massive range of music, lets stay this away for awhile.

[Pandora]

If he had released material during that 11 year time frame, the music industry might look completely different today!!! Especially in the 97-99 time period when the industry didn't really know what direction to go in. Alternative was dying out and pop and rap were rearing their ugly heads. Axl could have done some serious damage to the scene at that time.

I beg to differ. If the album had dropped at the time, it would have been a disaster. GN'R were at an all-time low in terms of credibility and popularity. It was fashionable to trash them left and right just for the hell of it.
Now is certainly a much better time.

[greekmule]

GN'R Chinese Democracy    -Led Zeppelin

Man am i the only one who finds this absurd???
How can u compare a band that has not released a second of music to led zep???
We are talking about led zep here!

How can u compare brain to john bohnam, finck to jimmy page and tommy stinson to john paul jones?this is a fucking disgrace!

Axl and co should release some albums first, sell out a number of tours and change the face of music as we know it before i will even dare to put nugnr in the same sentence as led zep

As for GN'R, if they ever become a Zeppelins second coming, the 2nd will surpass the 1st coz the former don't rush

IMO that proves that gnr fans live in a world of their own. Even AXL himself wouldn't be so optimistic


just my 0.02

[ppbebe]

What is The self titled album of the band that called itself The Yardbirds at birth called, again?

GN'R Chinese Democracy    -Led Zeppelin

Man am i the only one who finds this absurd???
How can u compare a band that has not released a second of music to led zep???
We are talking about led zep here!

How can u compare brain to john bohnam, finck to jimmy page and tommy stinson to john paul jones?this is a fucking disgrace!

As for GN'R, if they ever become a Zeppelins second coming, the 2nd will surpass the 1st coz the former don't rush

IMO that proves that gnr fans live in a world of their own. Even AXL himself wouldn't be so optimistic.

Sure enough, absurd is your superficial interpretation beside the whole point.
Neither mack10 nor me are talking about their musical similarities here.
While Mack's point being Axl's or Merck's serious attitude toward music bears comparison with that of Zeppelin, I suggested the forth guitarist of The Yard birds was the heart, soul and passion of the band in question, whatever the name was. It's an example of that The sound mind gets the sound body. He produced all of their albums. Check out credits on the records.

New GN'R songs argue the musical diversity of GN'R not to be in the same league with that of Led Zeppelin. In my books, no other band ranges over as wide as new GN'R. Who can argue that.

Guns N' Roses in anyform will not be as influential or talented as Led Zeppelin.

I'm not talking from such a mine-is-bigger-than-yours point of view.
There're many individuals who haven't been influenced or impressed by Led Zeppelin.
There will be many individuals who'd be influenced and moved by GN'R.
Music is one to one talk. You hear it with your own ears not with others ears.
Make sure you listen to the music rather than what others say about it.

[Judge Dredd]

Even if the original AFD line-up stayed together, they would never have matched the accomplishments of Led Zeppelin.

To then believe that a band that doesn't even know what everyone else is doing, thus not even really being a band, can match them is even more absurd.

For one, Axl now has musicians around him who are arguably less accomplished as a whole compared to the AFD line up.

And as for the Peter Grant/Merck comparison, please don't make me laugh.

Watch 'The Song Remains The Same':- Grant organised the tours and told the band when and where they were playing.

Doug Goldstein arranged a tour for Guns in 2001, and it got cancelled because of Axl.