The Tokyo 92 second night mystery?

[Stevenson]

The thing that bugs me about the Tokyo show is that casual GN'R fans that buy the video/dvd's would take one look at those shows and imidiately asume GN'R suck as a live band, ive seen it happen! One of my mates who started gettin into GN'R bought the DVD's and said "yeah great band but they suck live", it was up too me to show him the error of his ways. I gave him a copy of my Ritz 88, Argentina 93 and an audio of perhaps the best show ive ever heard - St. Paul MN Dec. 17th 1987. 

As soon as my mate viewed/listened to these shows his jaw dropped, for two reasons. Number one: He could'nt believe how awsome GN'R's live show was and, Number Two: he could'nt believe the record company would realease a product like that when so many more proffesionaly shot shows blew the tokyo DVD's away.

I saved my mate from thinking they suck live by explaining that the stuff released by geffen does'nt do the band justice & giving him copys of my shows, but the question is:

How many more people buy those widely available DVD's and think, "oh my god, my favourite band aint to great live" ?   

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Axl was always hit or miss live. He was either really great or really bad.

[Gunner80]

The truth of the matter is, all bands have shitty nights once in awhile. Especially when you're doing four nights a week for months and months.

[Crowebar]

What really happened with the Tokyo DVD releases???



Axl went on a 2 week CRACK BENDER and decided that it was the right decision to make.



I bet he regrets it to this day.

[gnrkoncerti]

maybe they didn't have a plan to taped tokyo show,but when the first and seconds night were great,then they made a decision to taped a show!!!1

i don't know for you guys,but for me Tokyo dvd is excellent

i like axl voice on the begginig of sweet child,i like nighttrain,civil war,welcome to the jungle,paradise city,don't cry,pretty tied up and especialy move to the city from that show

[erose]

maybe they didn't have a plan to taped tokyo show,but when the first and seconds night were great,then they made a decision to taped a show!!!1

i don't know for you guys,but for me Tokyo dvd is excellent

i like axl voice on the begginig of sweet child,i like nighttrain,civil war,welcome to the jungle,paradise city,don't cry,pretty tied up and especialy move to the city from that show

yeah, move to the city is awsome on the tokyo dvd!!!

i don't think there's any doubht that they planed to tape tokyo and release it tho, as mentioned axl talked about the filming the second night...

one good reason they chose tokyo might be that japan is a huge market and live concert from toky would prob. sell more in japan than a gig from paris or msg.

another thing might be that to fill up tokyo dome three nights straight(with a day off inbetween) is pretty awsome and "stat wise" it's pretty damn cool to have a live gig from from that huge place.

but who knows exactly why they chose the tokyo gigs out of them all....

[Johnnyblood]

The thing that bugs me about the Tokyo show is that casual GN'R fans that buy the video/dvd's would take one look at those shows and imidiately asume GN'R suck as a live band, ive seen it happen! One of my mates who started gettin into GN'R bought the DVD's and said "yeah great band but they suck live", it was up too me to show him the error of his ways. I gave him a copy of my Ritz 88, Argentina 93 and an audio of perhaps the best show ive ever heard - St. Paul MN Dec. 17th 1987.?

As soon as my mate viewed/listened to these shows his jaw dropped, for two reasons. Number one: He could'nt believe how awsome GN'R's live show was and, Number Two: he could'nt believe the record company would realease a product like that when so many more proffesionaly shot shows blew the tokyo DVD's away.

I saved my mate from thinking they suck live by explaining that the stuff released by geffen does'nt do the band justice & giving him copys of my shows, but the question is:

How many more people buy those widely available DVD's and think, "oh my god, my favourite band aint to great live" ?? ?

I don't think anyone but die-hards would be enthused by the Tokyo DVDs. Actually I'm a die-hard and I don't even like 'em. Maybe it's the ultra-primo die-hards that like them. I've watched Tokyo probably 25 times or more, although I havn't seen it in years. (BTW, the fact that they sold one concert as two separat products doesn't help matters.) I was always trying to figure out what's missing, how this could possibly be the same band that produced Appetite and killed at the Ritz. That band that ruled planet Earth from 87-89.

Stevenson, do you know where a fan from back in the day might get hisself a copy of that St Paul '87 show?

[PhillyRiot]

I watch this DVD on the treadmill at the gym.  It is a little embarrasing with Axl parading around in those biker shorts, but the music is damn good to work out to.

[Stevenson]

Hey Johnny Blood, I dont know of anywhere you can download it but I do have it here on my hardrive, you could add me to your MSN and i could send you each of the MP3's through that if you want?   

I'd urge everyone to find the St Paul '87 show, this whole show along could have been released an album and would have kicked ass. The Nightrain form that show is the most feirce & angry ive ever heard. Axl's vocals are amazing on every song. The SCOM is is the best i've heard Axl sing it ever! 

Just to clear something up though, when i started the topic and said the band were a bit "off" during the Tokyo show, I was really mainly talking about Axl. 9 times outa 10 the players, i.e. Slash Duff Matt etc all sound great to me.

Its ture what dave-gnfnr2k said:
"Axl was always hit or miss live. He was either really great or really bad"

When Axl was bad, he was really bad, but those shows where he pulls out all the stops, Axl was quite simply the best there was, you could'nt touch Axl on those nights.

[PhillyRiot]

The way Axl would scream, it is inevitable that his voice would not be on every night.  Most shows I have heard he delivered though.

[disease51883]

When Duff and Axl walk up behind Slash and Gilby on Wild Horses....now that is a moment!

Heh. They kind of remind me of four drunks singing at a bar  during that party. But maybe it's just me.

Even though there are parts of the DVDs that aren't so good, I actually like them as a whole. Axl singing his lungs out while Slash runs through the crowd during "Paradise City" is nice. Oh, and the kilt's always entertaining... Gooood stuff...

[LeftToDecay]

Axl does'nt sound too great and the show generaly has no atmosphere.

Eh? I always loved Axl's voice there. He takes a while to get it all opened and running but when he does, he sounds like the raw merciless rock bastard demon he is.You Could Be Mine from Tokyo is THE version of the song for me, always.


Just watched it today after years and years and years of..well..not watching it. Never noticed/realized before that the t shirt Axl wears in Tokyo and on  the picture appearing on UYI lyrics sheet is actually a NIN shirt.  Kinda neat, huh?...well i think it's neat.Can't believe I have never noticed that before.

Judging from the color and text  it's actually pretty rare nin shirt too. It says "Sin" on front, promoting a single off from Pretty Hate Machine.
Not sure if this is worth all that babble, it's just that I feel so fucking dumb I used to have a poster on my wall with Axl wearing that shirt for years. And half decade later, that same logo on my cellphone for years and never spotted the uhhh "connection" Til now, that is.

[flicknn]

when metallica played in texas in 1997 , they played 3 nights in fort worth and edited all 3 into one dvd/vhs titled Cunning Stunts....wouldnt it be smarter for bands to do this , then they could have like a smorgas board of songs they thought came out great to choose from for the dvd ?

[give_it_a_rest]

If I remember correctly, then I think the release of the 2 video tapes was intended for sale in Japan Only. I've got a 2cd bootleg that is copied from those tapes. Later the edited ones were released world wide as UYI 1 and 2 I think. Can't remember exactly, but I think it was something like this.

 

[Refused]

Is the UYI videos/DVD all from one show, or spliced together from all the Tokyo shows?
How the hell did Axl manage all the changes of clothes if it was from one!

[polluxlm]

Is the UYI videos/DVD all from one show, or spliced together from all the Tokyo shows?
How the hell did Axl manage all the changes of clothes if it was from one!

He really only changes jackets, so it's not very time consuming.

[Refused]

Is the UYI videos/DVD all from one show, or spliced together from all the Tokyo shows?
How the hell did Axl manage all the changes of clothes if it was from one!

He really only changes jackets, so it's not very time consuming.

I swear the colour of his shorts change during it.
I don't know, I can't remember!

[Refused]

Also, YCBM and November Rain are swapped around on the DVDs/videos, are they not?
Although I guess this is because of length/flow of the videos.

[holtzmn73]

If I remember correctly, then I think the release of the 2 video tapes was intended for sale in Japan Only. I've got a 2cd bootleg that is copied from those tapes. Later the edited ones were released world wide as UYI 1 and 2 I think. Can't remember exactly, but I think it was something like this.

 

You are correct, it was released in Japan first then later released worldwide.

[kaasupoltin]

- The DVD's are not from all three shows, it's just from the 22nd
- I don't think it's that bad
- They really seem to enjoy themselves
- DTJ is fantastic, sad it wasn't the longest version
- The crowd isn't actually so lame, you just can't hear them because it's a soundboard audio

Of course I'd rather take Locomotive or Coma than this, but it's all good.