Why Gilby was fired from Gn'r?

[mrlee]

i liked gilby, i found out about him before i did izzy lol.

[Mikkamakka]

Here is a list of what songs Izzy wrote on his own:

Mr.Brownstone

No way, Slash and Izzy wrote that. And what about Pretty Tied Up?

But as Izzy himself mentioned, he always wrote songs that sounded the same as his solo stuff, but then Slash came and rewrote them. That's it.

[jgfnsr]

As far as Izzy and Slash go when it comes to songwriting, Izzy seemed to be the stronger songwriter, albeit a tad too "bluesy" at times.

I always thought Slash's influence with him meshed really well because he gave Izzy's writing that extra energy, made it a little harder-edged, etc.

[*Izzy*]

Yeah Izzy n' Slash, as someone else said, one of the greatest guitar duos in history?

  Izzy?

[IzzyDutch]

I know Gilby may not be to your liking but did he quit GN'R in a middle of a massive world tour? Did he go back to his home to do donuts with his motorcycle in his front yard? Is he bitter about the fact he got fired ad replaced by Paul *shudder* Huge? No. That is the answer to every question asked here in my reply. You can't compare solo albums because both have the same qualities, they are both mediocre.

Here is a list of what songs Izzy wrote on his own:

Mr.Brownstone
Think about You
Patience
You ain't the First
Double Talkin' Jive

Ya see, he was not such a major influence on the song writing. It was mainly Axl's songs that got to the top 5. And at least Gilby has buried the hatchet about everything and move on. He even said he would not even mind rejoining GN'R. Have you heard Izzy say that? I don't thin so.

You forgot Pretty Tied Up, besides there are a lot of songs that Izzy wrote the music for...
Izzy was a major influence on the song writing, besides the songs he fully wrote he co-wrote a lot of other songs. For example Slash said that if Izzy wasn't there playing the SCOM chords there wouldn't be SCOM
Just because Axl's songs made it to the top 5 doens't mean that Izzy's are less good.

Also Izzy said in a 2001 interview during the release of his River album that he had nothing against a GN'R reunion.

Izzy has released the most cd's of all the ex-GN'R members, a little more then Gilby so you tell me who's moved on

[Doc Emmett Brown]

Here is a list of what songs Izzy wrote on his own:

and so err....  why dont you list all the GNR songs that Gilby wrote on his own?  OH wait.... 


When I think about creating Guns music (not just playing it on tour),  Izzy Stradlin is the obvious choice.  I dont care about "on his own".  That's just dumb - it's not about solo artist, but the band dynamics! Izzy & Slash work well together.  Izzy & Axl wrote many songs together.  That was the great thing about the band - you could feel everyone's contribution.


When VR was trying to start up before they had a singer,  Izzy dropped by and helped them get their juices flowing.  Both Duff and Slash have stated this interviews and were happy to see him.  Not only that, I heard Scott didnt want to use Izzy's stuff because....it sounded too much like Guns N' Roses!!   Imagine that!!  Put 3 original members in a room together - now you know where that signature GNR sound comes from. 


As for Gilby, I admire him for learning so many songs for the monster tour, being a really cool touring guitarist, and yes in all the bootlegs I've seen, he has great stage presence and looks happy to be up there.  That's awesome - and in the Argentina '93 bootleg (I think),  when Axl introduces the band, he says it's been a pleasure to have Gilby there on the tour. 

Despite being an awesome touring guitarist, I cant judge him on his songwriting contribution to GNR because that stuff was never released.  Was it good? did it suck? who knows?  So calling him a permanent member from an era which released no new music (through no fault of his own) doesnt make sense., regardless of what a "nice guy" he is.  Dont demean him to that level.

[jimmythegent]

I think he did an admirable job replacing Izzy on the tour (although his guitar is very quiet in most shows ive heard) and he was the right man for that particular job

However, when it came to creating a new guns n roses album i think he was never really considered - he didnt really offer anything new and for that reason I think he was the first of many eventual casualties

[gunznroses]

they  both were good guitarists, but with song writing izzy has that over gilby. gilby just reminds me of dizzy. they both will listen to what ever axl says that is why they are still around each other,(you know what i mean)axl preformed with gilby in 2000 and dizzy is still in gnr now. Izzy wouldnt put up with axl's shit and rolled out. does any body know why Gilby doesn't play with VR instead of Dave Kushner.

[IzzyDutch]

Gilby didn't put up with Axl's shit eiter, only Dizzy did. when he played with Axl in 2000 Gilby saw Axl sitting in the crowd and asked him to join on Dead Flowers. Gilby didn't leave in an arguement so that was fine. Dizzy however is a different story...

I remember in the early days of the Project that Gilby was asked but he said they already had a lead guitarist. Basically he wants to play lead these days.

[Axllover]

I heard that Gilby called Axl a dictator in an interview...so Axl kicked him out...im not sure its true, but thats what i heard...

[chineseblues]

Gilby didn't put up with Axl's shit eiter, only Dizzy did. when he played with Axl in 2000 Gilby saw Axl sitting in the crowd and asked him to join on Dead Flowers. Gilby didn't leave in an arguement so that was fine. Dizzy however is a different story...

I remember in the early days of the Project that Gilby was asked but he said they already had a lead guitarist. Basically he wants to play lead these days.

neither did Dizzy, cause Dizzy is still in the band.......

[IzzyDutch]

Well, what do you expect after all the ass kissing

[erose]

Well, what do you expect after all the ass kissing

what makes you think dizzy is such an asskisser?

[jgfnsr]

Well, what do you expect after all the ass kissing

what makes you think dizzy is such an asskisser?

I don't know if "asskissing" is the word but I'd say his loyalty to Axl is based on -

1) a steady paycheck
2) artistic involvment and belief in current Guns N' Roses

[erose]

Well, what do you expect after all the ass kissing

what makes you think dizzy is such an asskisser?

I don't know if "asskissing" is the word but I'd say his loyalty to Axl is based on -

1) a steady paycheck
2) artistic involvment and belief in current Guns N' Roses

i would also like to ad:

3) a long lasting friendship, that has lived throught the storm.
3) the urge to rock the fuck out with the most dangerous band in the world!

the list goes on...

[IzzyDutch]

"the urge to rock the fuck out with the most dangerous band in the world!"

the most dangerous band in the world is no longer

[makemyday]

'Why Gilby was fired' is just another mystery in the Gn'r world and something that I still don't understand.
If I remember correctly in 2000 when Axl joined Gilby on stage, Gilby said that the only reason was that he get much less money than the other members.
Also he in an older interview he said that if he should choose between Guns and his solo-career he would choose solo.
N' back in '94/95 Axl said something like that they wanna play with Gilby (on stage), but they're not sure they want to write song with him.
Probably he felt that it was over 'cause nobody from the Gn'R camp called him.

[Mikkamakka]

Probably he felt that it was over 'cause nobody from the Gn'R camp called him.

He recorded Snakepit's first album, It's Five O'Clock Somewhere, with Slash and Matt. He co-wrote a lot of songs, so the Axl quote (I don't know if Axl has ever said something like this) 'We aren't sure if we wanna write songs with him' is not really correct.

[jarmo]

I think Axl might have said that before the Snakepit thing happened. Probably when Gilby joined the band.

Back in 1991, he was just there to make sure GN'R could tour. Talking about songwriting at that point was pointless.



/jarmo

[makemyday]

Probably he felt that it was over 'cause nobody from the Gn'R camp called him.

He recorded Snakepit's first album, It's Five O'Clock Somewhere, with Slash and Matt. He co-wrote a lot of songs, so the Axl quote (I don't know if Axl has ever said something like this) 'We aren't sure if we wanna write songs with him' is not really correct.

I think 'we' could be easily replaced with 'I' if we talk about Axl.