ROUND 6: Best 90's Frontman Survivor!

[D]

u obviously attended the micheal moore school of taking posts out of context and arranging them to prove your arguments

i said kiedis sold the most records, was more successful at the end of a decade plus his stage presence energy vibe dancing etc etc

yeah i really dig popular bands

last time i checked bon jovi, creed, prince were really in style and cool to like

i was speakin to the people who use to love a band but once a new era of music was ushered in and that band was no longer cool or relevant, they stopped being fans in favor of other groups.

after your ridiculous poison/bon jovi comparison i pretty much refuse to argue with u cause anyone who cant see the difference in bon jovi and poison definitely isnt someone i want to discuss anything with.


your poison argument would be acceptable if u liked poison and knew a great deal about both bands, but your argument was ridiculous cause u obviously dont know anything at all about bon jovi

i stated eddie vedder and cobain being THE frontman of the 90's

didnt say they were my favorite but look at what they did

historically speaking how can anyone argue the significance of those two frontmen, whether ulike them or not is irrelevant

hell i dont like them that much but i know they were light years more important than what is left on this list.

[Tied-Up]

First off, outstanding record sales do not equate to a great musicial act. ?Case and point - N'Sync, Britney Spears, Backstreet Boys, etc etc. ?These acts sell records because they appeal to the audience that is out there buying most of the records -- ?teen age girls.

The same can be said of Bon Jovi back when they were selling millions of records. ?Back at the time of 'Slippery When Wet' -- I went to see Bon Jovi in concert. ?I was surrounded by teeny bopper girls with their hair aqua netted so high that you couldn't see past them. ?Yes... I was old enough at that point to not be a "teeny bopper" - but only just. ?I looked around for some of the true hard rocking crowd, they weren't there. ?

Then came the New Kids on the Block, and the teen age girls had new idols to scream for, and Bon Jovi's album sales died.

Album sales and commercial success do not make a great band... hell look at Milli Vanilli. ?Charismatic front men? ?Yes. ?Good singers? ?Apparently not, since they didn't even sing on the album. ?They still managed to sell lots of records.

D... I'm really glad that you like Bon Jovi. ?Good for you. ?Someone has to. ?Like Captain Obvious said, just keep them the hell away from me, unless you'd like me to vomit on you.

Personally, I look for talent in the musical acts I favor, not mainstream appeal. ?Mike Patton has talent. ?He was also very charismatic and lit up the stage. ?He definitely belongs on this list.

Layne Staley, unfortunately, I did not see on stage. ?I didn't even start appreciating AIC music until recently, when my hubby turned me on to them. ?I assumed they would suck as badly as the other Seattle bands (ie: ?Nirvana and Pearl Jam) and didn't give them a chance to show me otherwise. ?My loss on that one. ? ?But he still definitely belongs on this list. ?

As far as Trent Reznor is concerned, if you are gonna say that Kurt Cobain and Eddie Vedder deserve all this credit for being responsible for ushering in the grunge movement and changing the tides of music, then you can't deny the contribution that Trent Reznor has made to music, he is responsible for helping to usher in the Industrial sound and also responsible for changing what we listen to. ?His presence on this list is just as valid as Kurt Cobain's (former) presence and Eddie Vedder's (former) presence on this list.

this isnt *your FAVORITE frontman of the 90's* its who was the best
u people are electing your favorite and this isnt what this is.

now looking at that list, can anyone honestly say, that the people left on that list were the BEST frontmen?

no fuckin way!!

now u may not like the frontman but u cannot take away from their impact or what they did.


no one can rationalize to me why those people are still on that list over cobain and vedder

As for this comment... since you claim musical taste is subjective, then my voting for my favorite is perfectly in line with who is best. ?Because it IS subjective, and I subjectively think that Eddie Vedder and Kurt Cobain sucked great big floppy donkey dicks.

And I also subjectively think, based on seeing him live, that Jon Bon Jovi is about as interesting a front man as Sebastian Bach's mic stand would be. ?

In the very beginning of all these threads (survivor threads) it says to VOTE OFF YOUR LEAST FAVORITE. ?That's what I'm doing each time. ?

after your ridiculous poison/bon jovi comparison i pretty much refuse to argue with u cause anyone who cant see the difference in bon jovi and poison definitely isnt someone i want to discuss anything with.


your poison argument would be acceptable if u liked poison and knew a great deal about both bands, but your argument was ridiculous cause u obviously dont know anything at all about bon jovi

PS:  this contridicts your whole "musical taste is subjective" argument. 

[KeVoRkIaN]

Bring on the final round - Reznor and Patton enough said

[Tied-Up]

so if u were a bon jovi fan why did u stop liking them?

cause it was uncool right?

i had a friend like that in high school, one month we are trading bon jovi tapes and he loves them

next month grunge is huge and he is wearing flannel and worshipping vedder and cobain saying bon jovi sucks

that is the worse kind of music fan to me.

i love bon jovi i also love prince, i also love nirvana,rhcp,megadeth,dwight yoakam,2pac,motley crue

just cause it might not be the IN thing or cool doesnt mean i stop liking it

cause the music speaks to me now just as it did years ago when i first discovered it

and ill never stop liking a band just cause they arent considered cool anymore

i believe in loyatly to bands i love regardless of what others think

Um... did you forget where you are dude?  This is a GUNS N ROSES site.  Most of the people who post here understand loyalty pretty damn well after waiting for an album for 10 years.   

[Captain Obvious]

u obviously attended the micheal moore school of taking posts out of context and arranging them to prove your arguments

i said kiedis sold the most records, was more successful at the end of a decade plus his stage presence energy vibe dancing etc etc

yeah i really dig popular bands

last time i checked bon jovi, creed, prince were really in style and cool to like

i was speakin to the people who use to love a band but once a new era of music was ushered in and that band was no longer cool or relevant, they stopped being fans in favor of other groups.

after your ridiculous poison/bon jovi comparison i pretty much refuse to argue with u cause anyone who cant see the difference in bon jovi and poison definitely isnt someone i want to discuss anything with.


your poison argument would be acceptable if u liked poison and knew a great deal about both bands, but your argument was ridiculous cause u obviously dont know anything at all about bon jovi

i stated eddie vedder and cobain being THE frontman of the 90's

didnt say they were my favorite but look at what they did

historically speaking how can anyone argue the significance of those two frontmen, whether ulike them or not is irrelevant

hell i dont like them that much but i know they were light years more important than what is left on this list.

What does Jon Bon Jovi and groupies have in common?















They both like to hang out with musicians.




AHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahah...................*ahem*....i'ts not funny is it?

And as for the discussion, how the heck did I rearrange anything?  There is nothing in my post that was taken out of context.

By the way, I just wanted to say that Tied-Up's long post above me is awesome. Actually, all of these posts are quite good.

[Mikkamakka]

so im not biased when it comes to cobain or vedder cause im not a die hard fan of either but no one can tell me that sebastian bach should remain on that list over vedder and cobain.

If we talk about frontman, like we do, then one of the most important factors is the stage presence. Like Eddi Vedder is dead on the stage (I really like his voice, I have all PJ albums), Bach is no doubt one of the most energetic and greatest live performers of all time and he sings every note! Well, he doesn't have too much to say about the world (but when I saw him live he did rants), he wasn't in the spotlight in the late 90s, he didn't have the influence on kids like Cobain or Vedder had, but anyway, for me Bach is the ultimate frontman of the 90s! (Well, Axl is the best, but he's not on the list.)

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[Metallifuck]

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[Ignatius]

Since there has been some controversy lately on how people have interpretated these threads, thought I give my two cents then...

This thread is purely for fun. We are not discussing who the best frontman of all time is, why and/or who should be the best frontman of all time. If we went by what history, press, peers, critics consider best frontman of all time...the names Jagger, Plant, Mercury, Rose, Bono...will be everyone's choice and there wouldn't be any point in doing this. In every thread you can read the following : Please vote off your least favorite. It's my understanding, people are doing so without really paying attention to whatever impact such or such frontman caused on mainstream music. For some people, Mike Patton hasn't done fuck all and shouldn't be considered to be in the top 100 frontman, likewise for some people Eddie Vedder is an overrated singer/frontman who shouldn't even have made the list. That's cool, everybody is voting based on their personal preferences, which is ok with me.

I see what D's saying though. We have 5 frontmen left and none of them really had? huge impact in mainstream music as the likes of Cobain, Vedder, Gallagher...but, as said earlier, this is based on personal preferences and I like it better this way. It's not as predictible is would've been if we had chosen what we thought the best frontman should be based on recognition and popularity.

Anyway, I'll count the votes tomorrow.







 

[BP]

D.. yo D .... yo yo

You asked me something about why I stopped liking BJ. You said that I thought they were 'uncool' at the time.
no no.....  It's because I was growing up & geting my ass out to live shows, collecting tapes, & really opening my ears up to talant. From 1990 to 1995, I studied & watched the talants of Jerry Garcia....  I traveled to see him loosing count at 17 times live. Now is that mainstream cool??  no its not....   So you can't play that game with me    & guess what? at each 'Dead' show, I have never bought or worn a tye dye EVER 

In the 1990's, I sought out to see talant that was different.

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with that being said, I liked bon jovi when I did like Poisen  its a fact. & I completely understand the points about marketing in this thread. Jovi who lives in my state BTW, is a joke as far as being the REAL THING. He is performer before Artist. More of an actor before a starver.  I do live in this state you know.....
I don't mean to sound mean, but you are killing me. Next you will say that jovi stands up in a league with Led Zeppelin.
-BP

-BP

[Doc Emmett Brown]

so im not biased when it comes to cobain or vedder cause im not a die hard fan of either but no one can tell me that sebastian bach should remain on that list over vedder and cobain.

If we talk about frontman, like we do, then one of the most important factors is the stage presence.

Absolutely.  But as you say below, some frontmen achieve a lot more influence than others, and that should be a factor too!  I realize the media deliberately made it uncool to like people like Bach in the 90's so it's just bum luck that his talent is always dismissed as too "80's". 

I'm with D about Cobain & Vedder.  There were only 5 or 6 songs I liked from them as a teenager in the early 90's, but I recognize their impact.  As for Trent Reznor,  sadly I have never seen NIN live, so I cant rate him on stage presence, but NIN had a huge impact on me in high school.  The lyrics, the music, everything.  When I think of the 90's, I will always include Trent Reznor.

Phil Anselmo

[Pryor Murphy]

Mike Patton

[D]

well i love what we have done with this thread

i mean just voting off etc etc is too easy

why not argue about it u know?

makes the game more interesting

like i said im not a cobain or vedder fan

it would be different if i was a die hard fan of each band and criticized people's votes

but im not a big fan of either

and yes bi polar i may lose every bit of musical "credibility" but ill take a bon jovi album over a led zepplin album any day of the week

im not saying they are better, i just prefer bon jovi to led zepplin, rolling stones ,the beatles etc etc etc

im not sayin they are better i just like them more.

same way with GNR, id take the spaghetti incident over led zepplin IV

maybe i do have horrible taste in music

but its my taste

and i still say Prince owns any frontman on any of these lists!

[Hammy]

and yes bi polar i may lose every bit of musical "credibility" but ill take a bon jovi album over a led zepplin album any day of the week

Agreed, Led Zepplin are one of the many overated bands in the world, Bon Jovi own them, Led Zepplin seem to have this legendary status were nobody can knock them like they're sacred but they're not fine they're talented, fine they did some good songs but they ain't that special

[Skeletor]

maybe i do have horrible taste in music

Wow. It took us a while, but we finally got here

and i still say Prince owns any frontman on any of these lists!

OK, I suppose you're not totally lost.

[BP]

 ? If not for Zeppelin ----- then Bon Jovi, Hard Blues Rock & metal would not have existed as it was marketed. I hope somebody picks me up on this statement cuzzz I don't have time?

[KeVoRkIaN]

  If not for Zeppelin, Bon Jovi, Hard Blues Rock & metal would not have existed as it was marketed. I hope somebody picks me up on this statement cuzzz I don't have time 

Two bands more influential

Black Sabbath instead of Led Zeppelin
Motley Crue instead of Bon Jovi
Hard Blues was best defined on Danzig - Lucifuge

But we are talking about the 90's

These Days by Bon Giovanni
And No Quarter are hardly in the running


Innovation was caputered on Faith No More's Angel Dust which was light years ahead of it's time and many more albums incuding the so hated Nirvana Nevermind
The 90's were exciting times with a lot of undercurrent, I think most votes are going to the "pop at the top"-which in Johnny Rotten's words is "Borrrrrring"

Lets be honest, even New Order's singer and Andrew Eldrich of the Sisters Of Mercy, Bono and even Milli Vanilli could be considered for this list - 90's people - 90's!!!!!!

[D]

chili peppers cant get no love?

i thought they came out before faith no more and were doing what faith no more were doing years before

maybe im wrong

someone clarify please

[D]

skeletor and bi polar just told me that actually their favorite front man of the 90's was Jordan Knight

[kj_jive]

chili peppers cant get no love?

i thought they came out before faith no more and were doing what faith no more were doing years before

maybe im wrong

someone clarify please

Chili Peppers were around in the early 80's and already had a couple albums under their belts before FNM's first album Introduce yourself, or their first proper album The Real Thing.  While the Peppers are primarily a funk/rap/rock band FNM switches through a variety of genres on thier albums ranging from metal/country/pop/rap/waltz just to name a few.  They have a very complex, unique sound and make extremelly ambitious albums.  The Real Thing is a good starting point, but not the best example of their talent.  Angel Dust is, I'd say.  King for a Day is also good to check out to see just how unique their sound is and how much Patton doesn't give a fuck for what sounds like normal singing.  He also changes his style with each album.  Listening to The Real Thing back to back with King for a Day...you'd swear that they were two different men.

  Their main single Epic does have that rap/rock sound to it, much like a Peppers song however that is pretty much the only one with that particular sound.   

Peppers on the other hand tend to stick to their tried and true radio friendly formula and rely on stage presence and catchy lyrics for their songs.  I love em both though.