richard fortus, legit member in your eyes or not?

[younggunner]

I think the new band, axl included are bored with the old songs

notice how the old songs are ok but when they play something new, the energy,intensity etc etc are just turned way up.

Axl said at the vmas that the guys are intense about playing their own material....

I wanted to point out the NSYNC thing cause of the ever important street cred.a lot of people are already turned off cause there is a new GNR, u let it come out that a new member played with NSYNC and i think that will hurt GNR's street cred.

lol street cred?. Gnr lost their street credibility a long time ago.
This is not a band coming from the streets. They have an established past and are not about keeping a certain image or pleasing people.

its hard for me to imagine richard or some of those guys dancin with mr brownstone or ridin the nightrain.

the old guys are older but still lived those songs which makes it authentic, the new guys didnt so it is in ways like watching an all star cover band.

I think it would have come across fake if the new guys tried to act liek the old guys. Im happy they didnt. They did thier own interpretations of the osngs and just jammed and gelled as a band in a live setting. They werent trying to be like the old band. And thats a good thing.

So hopefully when CD is released axl will play the tracks off CD and maybe just the big GNR hits and that be it.

Im pretty sure thats the plan
I can see them sprinckle in Jungle,PC,Scom here and there but thats about it.....

There is no way GNR will be playing old gnr sets when the album is out.

Or it could mean he is a pushover/yes man (that the only guys he plays for are totally in charge of the creative direction of their projects) who basically plays what he is told by those perfectionist control freak front men.

yes, thats it 

[willow]

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[dave-gnfnr2k]

Exactally, Trent is a perfectionist just like Axl is, and both have/had robin at their lead gutiarist.? That speaks volumes.? If he was not a great guitar player neither would have had them playing in their bands.

Or it could mean he is a pushover/yes man (that the only guys he plays for are totally in charge of the creative direction of their projects) who basically plays what he is told by those perfectionist control freak front men. It's all in how you want to manipulate it to best fit your argument. There is no set in stone answer that proves it one way or another.

Slash is the one who wants yes men not axl. That is why slash got scott. Remember what Josh todd said about slash? Slash then didnt want to work with Josh Todd.  Also,  listen to what tommy has to say about Axl, he said Axl takes each members ideas and puts them into the new songs. So what do you have to say about that? Oh i know your answer, its typical, Tommy has to say that because he is being paid for Axl right?   

[Booker Floyd]

Slash is the one who wants yes men not axl. That is why slash got scott.

 

What makes Scott a "yes man"?

[D]

u cant compare APC to GNR, APC isnt anywhere near the same level as GNR
i dont think APC have street cred

[Saul]

So ... have we decided if Richard is a "legit" member or not yet? 

Speaking of tommy and "yes men" .. my fav tommy quote goes something like this  "tattoos?! man I fucking hate tattoo's ... umm , I love the ones axl has though . they have meaning."

    

[the dirt]

Speaking of tommy and "yes men" .. my fav tommy quote goes something like this? "tattoos?! man I fucking hate tattoo's ... umm , I love the ones axl has though . they have meaning."

 ? ?

Yeah, that was hilarious.

Of all tatoos (which he hates) and of all he has seen, he loves Axl's...
 

[Saul]

u cant compare APC to GNR, APC isnt anywhere near the same level as GNR

I remember seeing Richard at the VMA's and he had his guitar between his legs and doin something and i was like "please stop, u look ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!!!" it kinda embarrassed me whatever the hell he was doin, it was durin madagascar.

he was producing that high pitched sustaining feedback that he created for the song. One of the best things he's done since joining the band.

I'll agree that he looked silly the way he was doing it during the VMA's though.  I think he usues a fernandes sustainer pickup in the neck position during madagascar to effortly produce that sustaining feedback.

[D]

street cred is poor black kids from the ghetto who listen to rap but know who axl rose is and think he is cool

Most of my black friends see Axl and think he is a cool motherfucker, seein the riots and his rants and just his vocal style, they dig him, after the VMA's he lost a lot of street cred

my same friends talked of how bad he sounded and the way he looked now.

point is axl with his street cred could walk into any neighborhood, any ghetto what have u and be cool and respected.

Guns N Roses as a band are cool and respected.? I think Axl, with his choice of members has destroyed a lot of that.? bucket with his crazy gimmick, and really richard isnt significant enough of a member to really make people care i dont guess.

like someone said earlier he could be fired tomorrow.

axl was right what he said to matt sorum, he really is Guns N Roses and i dont think anyone else is.

heres the test of how u can tell.

if every current member in GNR quit would axl seize calling it Guns N Roses?

i think not.

so in a way Axl IS the only legit member of GNR
I remember seeing Richard at the VMA's and he had his guitar between his legs and doin something and i was like "please stop, u look ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!!!" it kinda embarrassed me whatever the hell he was doin, it was durin madagascar.

[Naupis]

So what do you have to say about that? Oh i know your answer, its typical, Tommy has to say that because he is being paid for Axl right?

Well Dave, let's say you had a real good paying job that required little time commitment and allowed you freedom to do whatever else you wanted and you were still going to collect a very nice check. And let's also say you were interviewed about your boss and they asked you what it was really like working for him, but keep in mind you loved this job because it pays real well and you do very little in return for your money, would you anything but nice things about the guy even if you actually thought otherwise? Would you really jeopardize that great paycheck and freedom to do your solo projects by saying you didn't like the situation even if you didn't?

Of course not, you would give us the same types of programed answers Tommy and the other employees give. If you really think Tommy is shooting straight in those interviews knowing there is a chance it would get back to Axl and he gets fired, then you are out of your mind. Maybe he really does like the band, who knows, but all we do know is that while Axl is signing his checks he will not say 1 cross word about him, and the same goes for any other band member on payroll.

Like I have told Younggunner in the past, we are on band member 13 now with Axl being the only constent. Regardless of how "easy" he is to work with, something must be up with the guy that turnover is the way it is, and when members leave they all seem to continue talking to eachother while making an enemy out of the guy. Once or twice is a coincidence, this seems to be a pattern in regards to actual band members who worked with the guy on a daily basis. None of them have given him a sparkling review once he's not signing their checks anymore, tell me if you think that's a coincidence? 

[D]

Naupis i couldnt have said it better


plus look at the publicity and larger fan base  attracted to the new members solo projects that wouldnt have been otherwise

sometimes i think they use their GNR association to further their own agendas, buckethead was already proven to be doin so and i think the same goes for probably all the new members.

think about it, who would care or even know those guys if they hadnt joined GNR?

honestly?

[Skeletor]

Most of my black friends see Axl and think he is a cool motherfucker, seein the riots and his rants and just his vocal style, they dig him, after the VMA's he lost a lot of street cred

So GNR's street cred is important so that you can impress your friends? Incredible, people usually think that way when they're around 13-16, but not much afterwards. I can say I'm happy I don't share this problem with you.

point is axl with his street cred could walk into any neighborhood, any ghetto what have u and be cool and respected.

WTF are you on about? 

[Mikkamakka]

Tobias was by all accounts the first guy mentioned to Slash and the rest of the band. They all disagreed. so, AT THAT TIME, in the initial stages Axl was the only guy to bring in a new face.

You didn't get it, I think. Axl fired Gilby and then he took in Huge to play in Sympathy without the others knowing anything about it! So no, he didn't ask the others about Huge, he acted like he would have decided and the others have no words for this. You are right in some ways, that Paul was the first one who was 'recommended' to join the band, but since Slash & Co. didn't want him and mentioned other guitar players, your story is really far from what and how happened.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Josh Freese is no longer employed by Axl Rose and Josh always talks highly about Axl.  Brian May worked with axl and also talks very highly about his working with him, again May is not employed by Axl.

[Mikkamakka]

Granted, Jarmo, you misunderstood my point, but its odd that you shot it down as it pertained to Kushner, and failed to address the original (and, unlike mine, straightfaced) claim that Robin is great because he plays with Axl.?

He replaced Slash. Do you think Axl would get a guy who can't play to replace Slash? Robin was good enough to play with a perfectionist like Trent Reznor. Maybe he doesn't suck as much as some people claim?



/jarmo

Exactally, Trent is a perfectionist just like Axl is, and both have/had robin at their lead gutiarist. ?That speaks volumes. ?If he was not a great guitar player neither would have had them playing in their bands.

Don't forget that 'guitar hero' robin Finck wasn't ever involved in the creative part of NIN. He was a touring musician, not more, not less. And if you go to NIN forums, you'll find there people laughing on Axl Rose because he choose such a bad player like Finck. NIN fans are happy not to have him in the touring band anymore, and it tells everything. BTW NIN isn't a guitar-based music, and all the guitar are quite simple, mostly of the live performances. Anyone can play them. And it's a shame that a mediocre rhythm guitarist can play lead in GN'R.

[D]

street cred isnt about being a teenager, it isnt to impress my friends but basically its an attitude

its why axl can say the word "nigger" and get away with it
its why he can be rude and curse his audience and get huge applauses

not everyone can get away with that stuff but for whatever reasons axl has made a career on it.

if richard fortus was famous he wouldve made VH1's least metal moments

u cant be a bad ass rock guitar God when u started out playing on enrique iglesias and NSync records

im sorry u just cannot!

same argument as to why people dont want Nuno Bettencourt in GNR or countless others.

i love on the MSG2002 boot when Robin is playing the worst solo known to man before SCOM and the audience is yelling shit like "my little brother plays better than u" etc etc etc

only new member i was fond of was buckethead cause he was amazing and brought something just unreal to the table

[Bongo]

Concerning Finck, I really think, he is a great guitar player, and the presence in stage is amazing...... I think many people will change opinion with the new material....

Ok, Slash playing SCOM sounds better and more natural.... but it's normal, he made that song.... it's his style..... try to imagine Slash playing NIN songs......

But now we have a new GNR with a different style, and Finck it's the new guitar player, and he have the ability to do a great job...... 

[mikegiuliana]

You peoploe all make trent reznor out to be some god ,he is way over rated.. ALot of people don't even know who trent reznor is... Just because guys like axl n trent like things done right doesn't make everyone that ever plays for their bands after the original lineup the most amazing players because they allowed them to grace the same piece of studio/stage with them..

You people throw the word great around like it's nothing, reading these kind of statements thrown around like a gambler at a casino really makes you wonder if people really know what great is..

I saw people knocked dave navaro before, yet wasn't he considered before gilby was taken?? I had read dave was in the running but was already with another band..
I love how finck is some great player but dave is some average player..

Either way I could give a fuck, but just don't act like because someone walked with trent reznor that they are automatically something more then they are simply because some reclusive frontman let them be apart of their band..

The only guitar player that new gnr has had that can be considered great is buckethead..

As for slash just listen to the gnr records, no one has played near the way he did or has anything near as memorable since.. That's 17 years ago...

[noonespecial]

What was the topic...is Richard Fortus legit member of GNR...
Well he's definitely a legit musician...and he's definitely got a contract with GNR
I think that's as close as you get to being a "member" of this new GNR so, yeah...he is...
I loved him with Tommy Stinson just because it was new material...and it wasn't like hearing someone replay Slash...which, is getting a little boring...just my two cents...
but yeah I think he's legit He's got great looking guitars too

[jarmo]

You peoploe all make trent reznor out to be some god ,he is way over rated.. ALot of people don't even know who trent reznor is...

A lot of people know who Jessica Simpson is, but that doesn't make her some God...

I saw people knocked dave navaro before, yet wasn't he considered before gilby was taken?? I had read dave was in the running but was already with another band..

Yeah, and who do you think wanted him in the band?

Look at the list of guitar players Axl has worked with:
Robin Finck, Buckethead, Dave Navarro, Gary Sunshine, Richard Fortus, Zakk Wylde, Brian May, Paul Tobias

I guess Robin was picked because he has the right look. 



/jarmo