Could this actually be the legitimate reason the 2002 tour was cancelled?

[insupportofaxl]

Don't shoot the messenger............take it for what it's worth

I don't think it's true, but who really knows at this point




http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?showtopic=28281

[nesquick]

Weird...I also heard that story before...
But for me there were signs during the tour remember:
- what happened in Toronto during "patience".
- bad reviews after the Chicago Show.
- rumours of serious Axl mental issues during the Tour.
- and Riots

I do think something very bad happened "backstage". something nobody knows exept the band. That could explain all that silence.

[jarmo]

Right.


He made fun of people who had criticized him at the shows. He made fun of NME in England, he made fun of Conan O'Brien at MSG.

But suddenly he just cancels the tour because somebody didn't like the show?


Oh, and this is old. The tour ended two years ago. That post even quotes something from early 2003. ?



/jarmo

[Tied-Up]

Personally, and this is just my opinion... I don't think that's the reason for the tour ending. ?I don't know why it ended... but I don't think a bad review is why it ended... GNR has been getting bad reviews throughout it's existence. ?Critics aren't supposed to like anything, it's their job.

I guess we won't ever know unless Axl decides to speak up and tell us.

[2NaFish]

at the end of the show axl says "see you in summer". Even though he didn't surface in summer, it makes me think he knew the tour was ending that night so i'd say that the idea of axl cancelling the tour due to bad press isn't true. Also, the idea that bad press had an influence is weakened by the fact that axl spoke about some bad reviews in earlier shows and shrugged them off quite nonchalantly (sp?).

If we want the reason for the tour's end we need look no farther than everybody's favourite media monopolists Clear Channel. Who's fault it is is another matter tho.

[nesquick]

but I don't think a bad review is why it ended

well in 1991/1992 it could have been a reason fo Axl to cancell shows. and I don't think he has changed a lot on that point. didn't doug goldstein and ex-GN'R bandmembers hide bad reviews to avoid Axl to read them?

[insupportofaxl]

What I want to know is if Clear Channel and GN'R are in litigation over this whole thing.

We haven't heard anything except Axl saying in a radio interview that he had a legal team looking into why the first show was canceled by the building manager where they kicked or supposed to kick off their tour.

We haven't heard anything else. ?If a band member was ill as that was a reason they used, I don't see Clear Channel canceling a tour because of that.

I just wish Axl would speak up soon.............but then again, for him to do that I guess it'll take people to be respectful of him and he obviously doesn't feel the critics are so he's not talking ?

[jarmo]

well in 1991/1992 it could have been a reason fo Axl to cancell shows. and I don't think he has changed a lot on that point.

Ahh, so you're the same person now as you were in 1991/1992? That explains a lot...... ?




/jarmo

[insupportofaxl]

Mysteron,

Do you know if this is/was or still is in litigation?


I think too, Pilferk (the poster) had some knowledge as to why the tour was pulled so Jarmo if you can find that link, post it

[Continental Drift]

I was at the MSG show and it was f'n awesome. Every bit as good, if not better, than when I saw them in '91 and '92. At some point it has to get irritating to put on a show that everyone in attendance fucking loved and then wake up and turn on the radio or pick up the NY Times and hear/read comments from "haters" disguised as music critics blatantly lying about the show. I consider myself a very objective person, and I have no problem criticizing Axl when I think it's warranted, and I'm telling you there was ABSOLUTELY nothing negative to say or write about that night at MSG. Nothing. It was a triumphant moment. I don't think MSG had rocked so hard in the last 10 years- and it certainly hasn't rocked as hard in the last two years. So... I wouldn't be surprised if Axl snapped. Just because he "handled" the criticism nonchalantly throughout the tour- doesn't mean it wasn't taking a cumulative effect on him.

Additionally, I have it from what I consider very reliable sources (lawyers tied into CC) that CC was EXTREMELY PISSED at Axl after Philly. Personally, to me that sounds like Axl decided to call off the tour- and not the other way around. But of course, take it for what it is. ?

[masterdan]

This guy is always like, "I got this really good new from HOWARD STERN..."  WTF...you think Howard Stern shit is reliable?  This is ghey.

[jarmo]

The reasons why the tour was cancelled:

- Axl was pissed off because there were red M&Ms backstage.
- Robin lost his wooden shoes.
- Axl was sad because one person didn't like the show.
- The band got a telegram saying "Great show at MSG last night stop Good luck with the rest of the tour stop". They thought the telegram told them to stop the tour.
- Brain was tired of playing Sweet Child O' Mine.
- Axl can't play in cities that starts with the letter P, W, G, T, B, H, D, A, S, L or I.
- Axl was busy downloading "Chinese Democracy" tracks on Kazaa.
- Axl didn't like any of the Philly jerseys.
- Richard Fortus was arrested for urinating on the floor and verbally abusing a stewardess on the flight to Philly.
- Tommy was busy booking solo gigs in Greece.


All of the above are very likely to have happened. ?




/jarmo

[GypsySoul]

Chinese Guy is the real reason for the cancellation of the Chinese Democray tour


YAO MING

[norway]

But for me there were signs during the tour remember:
- what happened in Toronto during "patience".

I dunno, what happened?

I heard cc aborted for loosing money...

[nesquick]

But for me there were signs during the tour remember:
- what happened in Toronto during "patience".

I dunno, what happened?

I heard cc aborted for loosing money...

Detroit not toronto excuse me. TAKE A LOOK: http://www.gnrworld.com/bootlegs/video/Detroit/Detroit.mpg

[AxlsMainMan]

Theres so many rumors and speculations as to why the tour was cancelled that its really hard to know for sure. Im thinking that its either the fact that ticket shows for a large number of the shows werent anything spectacular and Clear Channel was as a result loosing a chunk of money on them. Another possible explanation Ive often thought about and truly hope isnt true is that Axl jumped back into the touring life in which you perform night after night and due to the length of time he was off the road, he truly was very uncomfortable or seriously nervous and just wanted no part in performing for the second half of the tour.

[norway]

But for me there were signs during the tour remember:
- what happened in Toronto during "patience".

I dunno, what happened?

I heard cc aborted for loosing money...

Detroit not toronto excuse me. TAKE A LOOK: http://www.gnrworld.com/bootlegs/video/Detroit/Detroit.mpg

Huh? he throws his mike... is the reason they aborted that?
Why did he throw his mike?

[Budweiser Froggs]

he threw it cuz the band and himself butchered the song.? i actually didnt even notice it till i saw the video.  i stayed around for like 5 minutes waiting for nightrain and pc

[jabba2]

My opinion which is debatable like all the others is that CC told Axl Philly was the last show and they were pulling the plug. Axl was so pissed off so he decided not to play the last show in Philly, to get back at CC. I dont believe a sick bandmember caused the Philly show to cancel.

[phaseONE]

WOW, robin fink really is shit!

That was really bad, amatuer , no, worse than amatuer, that was terrible.