Did Izzy write with Axl and Duff in 1995???

[younggunner]

You know, there are bootlegs

So your going to base Paul on a couple of bootlegs from back in RIo and vegas?

How would you know what he can bring to the table if you dont have an album or atleast a song to base him on.

If I go by you... I can say Robin is a great guitar player because I think he plays great on the bootlegs.

On the other hand Slash and Matt didn't have a high opinion on his skills.

Yes, thats why the ever so great Dave Kushner is playing right next to them. Shows they have the nack of picking a diamond in the dirt as my man fity says...

Paul just not talented

More than liekly he wasnt even going to be in the band

You don't remember, don't you? Then do a search

nope....and nope...you brought it up so provide the quote

[jabba2]

GNR was hopeless in the mid-90s. Axl definately wasnt contributing anything, so its another good reason Slash decided to leave, even if he wasnt fired. Axl wasnt doing shit.

[Mikkamakka]

You know, there are bootlegs

So your going to base Paul on a couple of bootlegs from back in RIo and vegas?

How would you know what he can bring to the table if you dont have an album or atleast a song to base him on.

If I go by you... I can say Robin is a great guitar player because I think he plays great on the bootlegs.

On the other hand Slash and Matt didn't have a high opinion on his skills.

Yes, thats why the ever so great Dave Kushner is playing right next to them. Shows they have the nack of picking a diamond in the dirt as my man fity says...

Paul just not talented

More than liekly he wasnt even going to be in the band

You don't remember, don't you? Then do a search

nope....and nope...you brought it up so provide the quote

It went reall offtopic, but... Paul isn't talented at all, and yes, his live playin' tells everything. Dave Kushner is so much better. Do you play guitar? He's technically better than Huge or Finck, whose live playin' also horrible.

I won't do a search for you just because you are a young gunner and haven't read enough articles. But it was mentioned for a lot of times on even this board, so... but just for you:

Matt Sorum found him playing with Cirque Du Soleil. "I told Axl to see him and he said, 'That's our guitar player,"' says Sorum. "I said, 'Bring in Robin to play alongside Slash,' but Axl said, 'I want him to play lead."'

Just A Little Patience
Spin, July 1999

/jarmo

[MadmanDan]

Slash, Duff and Matt chose Scott Weiland and Dave Kushner to play in their new band. That about says it all...

[younggunner]

He's technically better than Huge or Finck, whose live playin' also horrible

yea ok...

I won't do a search for you just because you are a young gunner and haven't read enough articles

actually ive probably read every article that can be found on the internet

but Axl said, 'I want him to play lead."'

Now where in that statement does Sorum say Axl wants Finck to play lead over Slash?
Do you honestly think Axl wanted Slash to play rhythm or something? Axl wanted duel guitar players. not 1.

[darkmonth]

Have you all forgotten that not only did Paul play on Sympathy for The Devil, but also live for the tour, and ALSO, on OH MY GOD!

So yes Young Gunner.  There is plenty of material to listen to his playing.  That said, I don't think he's as bad as some people make out.

And I do play guitar.

[jarmo]

Have you all forgotten that not only did Paul play on Sympathy for The Devil, but also live for the tour, and ALSO, on OH MY GOD!

So yes Young Gunner.? There is plenty of material to listen to his playing.

Two bootlegs (only two are available) and two songs is plenty of material?

He didn't play on any tour. He played at the three Las Vegas shows and RIR3.



/jarmo

[Surge]

this is full of crap... Not everyone opposed Tobias - Axl and Dizzy didn't, and to my knowledge Duff didn't say he was bad for the band, he only said the way he was brought in was wrong. It turns into a real old Axl vs everyone topic, but it goes all wrong there when people forget that it was Gilby, Matt and Slash writing the Snakepit album that caused a split in the band. Duff, Dizzy and Axl did not want to release that under the name GnR, so we're talking about a 3 vs 3 split. Gilby even stated this and others has indicated it several times. By choosing Slash, Axl would've had to choose It's Five O' Clock Somewhere. By choosing Paul, he could move forward. And yeah, Paul Tobias wrote "Back Off Bitch". It's better than anything on the Snakepit album! Izzy wasn't possible to choose since Izzy didn't want to deal with it (enough). Izzy could've contributed some, but obviously Axl didn't wanna count on someone he knew could leave if he found something better to do. That's some of Izzy's charm, but at the same time it doesn't make it easy. I know Izzy and Duff recorded music in 95/96 for Izzy's "117 degrees" in 95 or 96, and I've also heard Axl and Izzy wrote for GnR. That may be true.

And I don't call Axl "William Bailey" since he doesn't like it so then it's not right to call Paul "Paul Huge" when he doesn't like that name either! It's about paying the respect for that guy!

"I'm more interested in having the music talk first, then I'll say what happened later."
Axl

[darkmonth]

Have you all forgotten that not only did Paul play on Sympathy for The Devil, but also live for the tour, and ALSO, on OH MY GOD!

So yes Young Gunner.? There is plenty of material to listen to his playing.

Two bootlegs (only two are available) and two songs is plenty of material?

He didn't play on any tour. He played at the three Las Vegas shows and RIR3.



/jarmo

Yes, two full songs, is plenty of material to judge someone.  And 4 shows.  Fine... plenty.

[younggunner]

Yes, two full songs, is plenty of material to judge someone.  And 4 shows.  Fine... plenty.

Again, Tobias was more than likely never going to be in the band.

 You talk about this eye for talent that Sorum and Slash posses....Mr Dave Kushner everybody

[Booker Floyd]

You talk about this eye for talent that Sorum and Slash posses....Mr Dave Kushner everybody

Whats are you saying?  Dave Kushner isnt talented?  And if so, what do you base this on?

[younggunner]

Whats are you saying?  Dave Kushner isnt talented?  And if so, what do you base this on?

Im saying that some1 previously said that Tobias is no good because Slash and Sorum didnt approve of him. SO I look at what they approve of and its nothing special either.

I have a whole album to judge Kushner on. I have shows to watch Kushner. Hes an ok player on CB and has no stage presence.

[SADIS]

Wow, it's really amazing to see how the Israel/Palestina conflict started.....

C'mon guys, neither of you were there and people have a different taste. You can go on like this forever but no one will ever be right. Give it up.

[Booker Floyd]

Presence and talent are two different thingsm but I disagree anyway.

(Watches "Set Me Free" from Weenie Roast)

Yeah man, he sucks.

[Malcolm]

this is full of crap... Not everyone opposed Tobias - Axl and Dizzy didn't, and to my knowledge Duff didn't say he was bad for the band, he only said the way he was brought in was wrong. It turns into a real old Axl vs everyone topic, but it goes all wrong there when people forget that it was Gilby, Matt and Slash writing the Snakepit album that caused a split in the band. Duff, Dizzy and Axl did not want to release that under the name GnR, so we're talking about a 3 vs 3 split. Gilby even stated this and others has indicated it several times. By choosing Slash, Axl would've had to choose It's Five O' Clock Somewhere. By choosing Paul, he could move forward. And yeah, Paul Tobias wrote "Back Off Bitch". It's better than anything on the Snakepit album! Izzy wasn't possible to choose since Izzy didn't want to deal with it (enough). Izzy could've contributed some, but obviously Axl didn't wanna count on someone he knew could leave if he found something better to do. That's some of Izzy's charm, but at the same time it doesn't make it easy. I know Izzy and Duff recorded music in 95/96 for Izzy's "117 degrees" in 95 or 96, and I've also heard Axl and Izzy wrote for GnR. That may be true. And I don't call Axl "William Bailey" since he doesn't like it so then it's not right to call Paul "Paul Huge" when he doesn't like that name either! It's about paying the respect for that guy!"I'm more interested in having the music talk first, then I'll say what happened later."

Wasnt Back Off Bitch written in the early days..I seem to recall seeing it on the set-list of the inside cover of the Hollywood Rose album..I could be wrong but i remember this for some reason

[Butch Français]

why the hell do you guys talk piss about Kushner when you clearly don't know much about technical aspects in guitarplaying?
first of all, both Dave Navarro and Slash would not have chosen him if he wasn't any better than ok.
second, I have seen him live and he kicked ass, both presence and playing. much more solid than Robin Finck, won't say he's better, but more stabile and less sloppy. and he's a helluva lot better than Paul!!
Id say he's about the same level player as Richard Fortus, pure professional players, Finck rides a lot on a certain style while Fortus and Kushner are more allround.
(and yes, I play guitar plus several other instruments..)

[norway]

Fortus and Kushner are more allround.
(and yes, I play guitar plus several other instruments..)

wow, i like richards rythhm section and the solo's (especially rocket queen), his good,
he's seems like a really good standard player, with the lack of a better word, and reminds me of what i hear from educated guitarist, profesional you know, but not a guitargod- can't wait 2 hear cd

and buckethead knows both skill and melody

i guess izzy is anywhere and everywhere when it comes to work

[Butch Français]

in a pure technical sense, Buckethead is waay beyond most other guitarplayers out there.

[norway]

in a pure technical sense, Buckethead is waay beyond most other guitarplayers out there.

god that guy knows how to play

[Butch Français]

in a pure technical sense, Buckethead is waay beyond most other guitarplayers out there.

god that guy knows how to play

yep, insane shredding genious. he's not like other guys that are pure shredders though, there's more to his playing, know wha I mean?