NIN in 2005.. what will robin do?

[slashedguns]

Ironic isnt it,the break up of GNR was caused by Axl wanting to make music just like trents music

[Doc Emmett Brown]

Some of the ideas before Weiland were in the band were to have a female singer or KID ROCK as the lead singer doing old GNR tunes with Slash, Duff, Sorum etc. That would have been pretty cool.

   I would have died a thousand deaths if they picked some female singer to sing old GNR tunes.  Then again it would be funny as hell to make her sing Its So Easy.

Obviously they arent going to have a webcam like NIN

That'd be a riot.  Although I remember from some interview Axl saying that he passed out when trying to write the lyrics for Coma.  So maybe the webcam wouldnt be much fun after all.  

[Fuckin' Gunner]

As far as I know (it iswn't much) the new NIN won't have guitars or bass. My poor english don't let me explain better, sorry.

[younggunner]

Ironic isnt it,the break up of GNR was caused by Axl wanting to make music just like trents music

Ironic isnt it, that people who have heard or worked on the album have said, it sounds more like afd ...but its ok keep thinking Axl is on a techno binge....

[SlashFan]

I don't think Axl broke up GN'R,everyone knows that GN'R self destructed,the original GN'R that is.Anyways,I'm not sure what Robin would do,I think if he knew that GN'R wouldn't be needing him,that he would tour with NIN if he was asked byTrent,we can only wait and see.

[Mr Cowbell ?]

I think Robin wants to be IN A BAND, If he could tour with Trent and come back to GnR HE WOULD.

IF GnR is getting close to finishing and maybe touring he wont leave. Sense he will be on CD and wont be on Trent's Cd.

[jarmo]

"We are tentatively mixing the record in October and tracking, treating and thinking from now until then. That means the record comes out early 2005, and we will tour extensively worldwide to support it.

"Who's in the live band? Don't know yet. - Trent Reznor




/jarmo

[C0ma]

Ironic isnt it,the break up of GNR was caused by Axl wanting to make music just like trents music

Ironic isnt it, that people who have heard or worked on the album have said, it sounds more like afd ...but its ok keep thinking Axl is on a techno binge....

First off, of the 5 songs we've heard so far which one is the one that sounds like it belongs on AFD?? Ya, I see your point the 2 synth players are just there to fill space on the upper corners of the stage....they aren't playing any music wth a techno feel.

Why can't everyone listen to Younggunner, and understand that anything you say to criticize the band is wrong..........

And who are these people who have heard "CD"??

Back on subject:

Whats stopping Robin from doing a US tour with NIN? Obviously he has alot of free time on his hands. Also as far as Trents concerned it's just a touring band, I don't think he would be against Robin doing a leg of the tour and then leaving to rejoin GnR when he's needed to re-record guitar parts (or tour, but lets be realistic)

[younggunner]

First off, of the 5 songs we've heard so far which one is the one that sounds like it belongs on AFD??

Im not saying they could be right off AFD. ALl im saying is that Cd will be more rock/guitar based than people think. Its not going to be a NIN album. DO you know what those sound like? They dont sound like the new songs at all.

Some of the new songs have some elements of industrial/techno but that is not the foundation of the song. Maddy, BLues, CD, RHiad sound techno to you? Even OMG is towards the rock side. That song has the most industrial elements.

Theres a big misconception that Axl "broke up " the band because he was in love with techno. Thats bullshit. First off he didnt break up the band, but thats for another thread. As for the industrial stuff, yea Axl likes that music and wants to include that in his music. He has always loved bands like NIN, White Zombie, JA, etc from even before these bands got big. BUt that doesnt mean he will forget his rnr roots. Why cant the foundation be rnr but include different element of different genres and work in a very special way? And still sound liek gnr.

they aren't playing any music wth a techno feel

Does that mean the songs are automaticlly industrial?

Why can't everyone listen to Younggunner, and understand that anything you say to criticize the band is wrong..........

NOt at all. There are many times the band, particularly Axl deserves critisim. But this isnt the case with this topic. Your telling me how that axl broke up the band because he wanted to do industrial/ techno, now that "fad" is gone and isnt that ironic. ANd thats bullshit.
Whats ironic is that CD will kick your ass becuase its rock based and overall it will have many different elements of many different things and blend in a very special gnr way. Thats ironic.

And who are these people who have heard "CD"??

The peopel who have worked on the album. ANd if you go back and read the band interviews from when they were on tour they talk about songs and the sound of CD.

[C0ma]

Im not saying they could be right off AFD. ALl im saying is that Cd will be more rock/guitar based than people think. Its not going to be a NIN album. DO you know what those sound like? They dont sound like the new songs at all.

I didn't say they sounded just like NIN either....I was basing all of this on you saying: "Ironic isnt it, that people who have heard or worked on the album have said, it sounds more like afd ...but its ok keep thinking Axl is on a techno binge.... "

No It isn't as industrial as NIN but the new songs are very techno driven.... there are 2 synth players..... they weren't added because Axl owed them any favors. he obviously thought he needed two synth players. Last I check not too many  "rock/guitar based" bands need that computerized a setup on stage. There is nothing even close to AFD in what we've heard so far.  

Maddy, BLues, CD, RHiad sound techno to you?

Maddy and Rihad do.... When there are more Synth tracks than there are Guitar, that is the defintion of Techno.

Your telling me how that axl broke up the band because he wanted to do industrial/ techno

Where did I say that???

My post was a shot at you saying that CD is going to sound like AFD, when everything we have all heard says it won't. That seems to be your argument in every critism of the sound of the new band....out of you 1300 posts I'd say that a third of them are you saying......."when is everyone going to get over this techno thing, It's gonna sound like AFD"

[younggunner]

No It isn't as industrial as NIN but the new songs are very techno driven.... there are 2 synth players...

They arent techno driven. Maybe Silkworms and OMG. But it isnt hardcore industrial/techno. Theres elements of it but that doesnt mean its going to be the second coming of NIN.

Last I check not too many  "rock/guitar based" bands need that computerized a setup on stage. There is nothing even close to AFD in what we've heard so far.  

Where did i say this is a true bluey old school rock n roll band? Just because they have synth players and effects doesnt mean it cant be rnr. And it certainly doesnt mean that its industrial/techno.

And again I never said the songs could come right off AFD. They cant and wont. The songs arent going to be about that stuff. My point is that AFD is considered rnr/guitars or whatver. People think Axl and the new band are making something totally different. And that is wrong. Im sure they have material that is "out there" but they also have material that is closer to AFD/guitars etc.

Maddy and Rihad do.... When there are more Synth tracks than there are Guitar, that is the defintion of Techno.

Maddy is not a nin song. I dont care if Axl uses every piece of industrial/techno equipment known to man. That song is not industrial. If you want to lable those 2 songs that fine, but lol its not a industrial song. It has elements but if thats how the osngs on CD are going to be, ill be a very happy kid.

My post was a shot at you saying that CD is going to sound like AFD, when everything we have all heard says it won't.

Again, when I say it will sound more like AFD than people think, that means that in regards to all the "Axl is on a Techno craze" comments, they will be very wrong. People have this idea that the album will be like NIN or whatver. It wont. Go buy an album of theirs and then come back and tell me if any of the new songs sound liek that. Yea there will be elements of it but not hardcore. Thats my point. CD will have elements of many things but its foundation will be rnr/guitars.

That seems to be your argument in every critism of the sound of the new band....out of you 1300 posts I'd say that a third of them are you saying......."when is everyone going to get over this techno thing, It's gonna sound like AFD"

Not really. Whenever the Industrial/techno things comes up I bring some peopel back to earth but other than that I havnt even talked about this topic in a long time. It has recently surfaced because of the whole new NIN album.

Axl is a visionary. He also has some major pure rnr roots. That is why I am expecting osmething in the middle rather than something from an extreme part of the scale. Its not going to be AFD and its not going to be a hardcore techno/industrial album. Its going to be somewhere in the middle, with a very special gnr touch.

[C0ma]

Maddy is not a nin song. I dont care if Axl uses every piece of industrial/techno equipment known to man. That song is not industrial.

Where did I say It sounded like NIN? All I said is it is a techno driven song...If a song has more "Synth" tracks than guitar.....it is by definition Techno. How can you continue to dispute the fact that all of the songs have a techno feel.

You seem to think that I think CD is going to be the next "Downward Spiral"

Also just because Axl has/had three guitar players doesn't mean it is going to be Heavy Guitar Driven........All of the songs we have heard are far more Synth Driven..

If you played guitar you would know that the songs we have heard so far aren't as heavily guitar driven as you like to think. Chinese Democracy as a very simple riff that lasts for thirty seconds then the rest is synth with a few little 2 and 3 note fills (and that is the most Rock Guitar Driven songs theve done so far)

[slashedguns]

Ironic isnt it,the break up of GNR was caused by Axl wanting to make music just like trents music

Ironic isnt it, that people who have heard or worked on the album have said, it sounds more like afd ...but its ok keep thinking Axl is on a techno binge....

Im sure if you looked hard enough you could find the interview that said at the end of the Illusion tour Axl was really into NIN and said to Matt,this is what we have to sound like in the future,,or words to that effect,,maybe Jarmo could find it and show it here

[HoldenCaulfield]

I was told by someone "in the know" that Robin is totally committed to GNR from here on out. He is completely focused on GNR with recording and touring...

[Ali]

I was told by someone "in the know" that Robin is totally committed to GNR from here on out. He is completely focused on GNR with recording and touring...

I like the sound of the that.   I know that cynics might say that it is just for the good paycheck, but I think that Robin could make a good living as a working musician in other situations.  For instance, touring with NIN.

The optimist in me wants to believe that Robin's commitment is a reflection of his confidence in the material they've written and their ability to be a powerful live band.  

Ali

[AxlsMainMan]

Id totally suport Robin stepping outside his involvement/commitment with GnR to do a tour with NIN, that of course is if he is unneeded in GnR at the present time. Theres no reason to even analyze/dispute his comittment to GnR at all, I mean he's been a member for about 8 years now, so who cares if he wants to get out and perform if for the next few months GnR is on heitus.

[younggunner]

it is by definition Techno. How can you continue to dispute the fact that all of the songs have a techno feel.

You seem to think that I think CD is going to be the next "Downward Spiral"

I dont care what the definition of anything is. Im going by the way it sounds. Yea it has the elements of other genres but that doesnt mean its hardcore.

When peopel say o Axl is on a techno/industrial craze that means that he wants to do a NIN album, to me atleast. And im telling those peopel you couldnt be more wrong.

Also just because Axl has/had three guitar players doesn't mean it is going to be Heavy Guitar Driven........All of the songs we have heard are far more Synth Driven..

If you played guitar you would know that the songs we have heard so far aren't as heavily guitar driven as you like to think. Chinese Democracy as a very simple riff that lasts for thirty seconds then the rest is synth with a few little 2 and 3 note fills (and that is the most Rock Guitar Driven songs theve done so far)

I never claimed that the songs or the album will be guitarorama. ALl im saying is that it will have a little bit of everything. There wil be industrial.techno elememts and others but the foundation will be rock n roll.

Im sure if you looked hard enough you could find the interview that said at the end of the Illusion tour Axl was really into NIN and said to Matt,this is what we have to sound like in the future,,or words to that effect,,maybe Jarmo could find it and show it here

Im not disputing whether Axl even lieks that type of music or not. He definatly does. He got into NIN,White Zombie, JA etc ever before they got big or known. But Axl aslo likes Queen, aerosmith,rs, etc.
Whats wrong with adding all your influences in 1 pot and making it work? Because Slash or Matt doesnt understand or didnt want any part of industrial music we have to disregard it and take it as gospel?

Are any of the songs new gnr have done so industrial influenced that slash and matt cant do that?

All Axl wanted to do in regards to that genre is incorporate it into gnr. The same way they went from afd to the illusions. It doesnt have to be revolutionary or anything. Just keep moving on and trying different things. Whats wrong with that. Inless your content with being an ACDC,Kiss etc type band.....

[Informer4.0]

Slightly off topic but, Does anybody know if the respect and admiration Axl feels towards Trent is reciprocal?

Yes.

[Informer4.0]

He also told me about the Velvet Revolver idea before it became widely known. Some of the ideas before Weiland were in the band were to have a female singer .

Off topic: Van Halen wanted Patty Smyth (Spelling?) before they picked Sammy back in the day. She declined and they picked Haggar.

I think it is cool to see David working with NIN. I like seeing people cross over. Reznor worked with Rob Halford at one point also.

And for the poster who said he sucked...give me a break.   Remember....oh I dunno...Nirvana!!???  

[Dayle1066]

At the end of the day has anyone heard the entire CD album? No. The songs you have heard may not even make it to the album in the end! But if it is synth driven then its not really the Hard-Rock that Guns used to be about is it.