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« Reply #140 on: December 01, 2002, 02:53:25 AM »

why is everyone so damn upset about the teleprompters he's used them for 10yrs at least
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« Reply #141 on: December 01, 2002, 03:03:42 AM »

  well, i haven't been to any prior gnr concerts, but it just looked weird....u would've thought he'd know the lyrics already (and i'm sure he knows them all)
  what i'm still interested in is whether ppl managed to bootleg the show....
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« Reply #142 on: December 01, 2002, 03:17:25 AM »

i think he stands on them and puts his foot on them more then anything,how was security if it wasn't tight there probably is a bootleg
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« Reply #143 on: December 01, 2002, 01:28:12 PM »

Hey All,

So it's the day after the Toronto show and I'd thought
I'd post my review.  All in all, a pretty good show,
as there was plenty of energy to go around with the
Air Canada Centre close to a capacity crowd.  Again, I
didn't bother seeing MixMaster Mike or CKY, as I still
have four more shows to catch their acts.  Got there
around 9:15, a little earlier than I wanted to.  This
was due to information from Angel that the vcurfewd
strict curfiew policies and would fine the band
severely if they played past 11:30.  Despite the fact
that I know Axl wouldn'curfewa damn about curfiew
policies, I got there early just to make sure.  First
complaint, the bar closed way to early (9:00).  If I'm
waiting an hour and a half for the band, I want the
time to go by as quickly as possible.  So big boo on
that one.  It was funny to watch the staff at the ACC
run around with worried faces, as news spread that the
"star" of the show had not arrived yet and it was
10:10.  I had to inform many of them that this was the
case at most GNR concerts and that Axl would be there.
I think thoughts of Vancouver occupied many people's
heads.  This included the crowd, who became quite
impatient as 10:30 rolled around.  I told many that if
the band was not out by 10:40, start to worry.  Sure
enough, around 10:35, the curtain dropped and the band
kicked into Welcome to the Jungle.  If you want the
rest of the setlist, visit Jarmo's site
(www.heretodaygonetohell.com).  One bright spot was
merchandise prices.  Granted, still very high, most
items were much cheaper in Toronto than they were in
Detroit.  The long sleeve shirt with the dragons
running down the arms was $80 Canadian.  In Detroit,
that shirt was going for $100 US.  Which means when I
purchased the shirt, I saved $70 Canadian ($1 US =
$1.50 Canadian).  Pretty sweet.  

Anyway, on with the show.  As I mentioned earlier,
this show really rocked.  I feel bad for anyone who
saw the Detroit show but couldn't make it for the
Toronto show.  Paradise City was worth the ticket
price in my opinion.  The band started around 10:35
and played a great two hour plus set (left the
building around 12:50).  Here are my ratings for the
show:

Axl - 9/10
I guess I'm being a little hard on the guy, but his
voice wasn't as good as it was in Detroit.  Granted, a
lot of it had to do with the sound system and the
mixing guys, but you could definitely tell his vocals
were not as on as they were in Detroit.  Perhaps this
has to do with the fact that the tour is well underway
and his vocal chords could use a good rest.  But he
still sounded amazing, and his vocals held up most of
the night.  During Madagascar, Axl didn't elevate his
singing as he now usually does ("If we ever find it's
true...").  This was sang the same way he did at Rock
in Rio.  Just some evidence why I thought his vocals
weren't as "tuned" as they were in Detroit.  Oh,

Attire for the evening: Two Toronto Maple Leafs
jerseys (One home, the other away), a Toronto Raptors
jersey, a Blue Jays jersey, andLacrossestingly enough,
a Toronto Rock jersey (Toronto's Lacross team).  I
would have thought he'd wear an argo (CFL) jersey, but
he chose the rock instead.  Black baggy pants and
white shoes (looked to be skateboarding shoes).

Buckethead: 9/10
Again, this guy rocks.  But he seriously creeped me
out during this show.  He loses marks for his
rendition of patience (you couldn't hear him).  I
would say that Patience is the one song where the old
band played it a bit better than this new one.  I also
was wondering what was happening during Paradise City,
as he brought out his puppet like creature.  For most
of the song he'd walk this stupid thing around the
stage, then act like he would talk to it, then beat on
it with his guitar and kick it around.  Very creepy.  
His solo was extremely enjoyable to watch, as it was a
nice break in the show.  Overall, good job buckethead,
just leave that freaky puppet backstage.

Robin - 6/10
The more I see this guy the more I don't like him.
Someone mentioned earlier how Buckethead and Robin
were the fan favourites in their section, well, not in
mine.  Everyone that stood around me did not like
Robin one bit, and for the most part, I have to agree.
His solos are truly brutal.  Man, I thought his intro
for SCOM was bad, I couldn't believe his solo before
Paradise City.  It sounded as though someone was just
plucking away at a guitar with no real purpose or any
idea as to where they're going.  His performance
during November Rain wasn't too bad, and his solo
during SCOM was pretty good too, but I can't stand his
intros.

Stinson - 8/10
Again, not a major hitter on this team but
doesexcitement job.  I get the feeling however that
his energy on the stage is transforming from excitment
to arrogance.  Perhaps I'm being harsh on the guy, but
he had a cocky way about himself.  During one point,
he was walking backwards and kind of stumbled over
himself, but played it off as though he meant to do
it.  Afterwards, he turned his back on the crowd and
started laughing towards Dizzy and the sound guys at
the side (I was sitting on the left hand side of the
stage so I could see all this go down).  I suppose
it's not a big thing, as he still rocks.  But he's
trying to play it too cool sometimes.  That's my only
negative remark about the guy, because otherwise, he
puts on a great show.  His bass was on the money and
his punk feel to the songs really liven them up.

Fortus 9/10
Forgetting Buckethead, i think this guy is the best
guitarist on the stage.  Kept the rythem going quite
well throughout the whole show.  He knew when to take
charge and when to let Axl and the lead guitarist at
the time to take over.  No real screw ups that I could
tell, and his slide guitar work during Rocket Queen is
really, really good.  Overall, gexcitement on Axl's
part to get this guy in the group.  He never brings
the band down as he only adds to the excitment.

Brain 9/10
At this show I was able to get a better appreciation
for Brain.  His style is definitely looser than Matt's
(which I like), and he does a good job of keeping a
steady beat but not boring the crowd to death.  I
forget which song it was but he did miss the beat once
or twice, but overall, a good job.

Dizzy - 8/10
This is probably one of the hardest working
guyphenomenalhe show (after Axl).  It's hard to see,
but the number of keyboards this guy is using at the
same time is phenominal.  His rendition of the Blues
was up to par and his keyboard work during the rest of
the show was well done.  

Chris Pitman - n/a
I still don't know what to rate this guy because I
don't know what he does.  Last night I noticed he
doesn't do much, that's for sure.  As I mentioned in
my earlier email, the guy plays mosjudgmentith just
one hand.  Even when Dizzy was playing the bongos,
Chris didn't do that much in terms of Keyboard work.
Hence I hold judgement.

Overall, a good show.  "Show us your boobs" game is
becoming a slow fan favourite I've been noticing.  I
suppose it's fun for about 20 minutes, but it's appeal
dies down a bit as the wait continues.  For those who
care, definitely more skin at the Toronto show
thanmagnificentroit show.  

The only other noteworthy thing to report was that
when Axl went to introduced the band, he referred to
them as the "magnificant seven," and then proceeded to
whistle the theme song to the movie.  Pretty cool.

Overall, I give this show a 9/10.  Performances aside,
what really brought this show down a small notch was
the sound mixing.  It was noticeable when they weren't
doing a good job in promoting Axl's vocals.  Too heavy
on the guitars, and honestly, I thought the show could
have been a bit louder.  

I also want to mention that although this review
sounds a bit negative, that's only because everything
else was great.  For the few things that weren't
amazing, there were a hundred things that were
top-notch.  My marking scheme is that I give the show
a perfect mark and then start deducting points for
things that need improving.  Plus, as long as this
review is, it would be much longer if I were to list
out everything great about the show.  If you're going
to London tonight, you're in for a treat.

Cheers,

Andrew DNB-mailinglist
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« Reply #144 on: December 01, 2002, 08:28:25 PM »

I preferred Robin a lot more than Bucket during the concert. His solo before paradise city isn't very traditional bluesy. It has a more complicated structure and has more musical elements to it, which is nice for a change. His stage presence and the way he moves around stage is the most exciting out of the three guitarists IMO. out of the three, i see him as the lead of leads. i can't remember which song, but when axl left the stage and robin took center stage, you could really see he had a presence and could hold up the band.
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« Reply #145 on: December 02, 2002, 01:57:25 AM »

Just got home from toronto.
The show was unbelievable. Every song was  played with perfection............
Now heres a question.
How many people that went to the show thought that it was all live? Between one of the songs i heard the noise you hear when a tape rewinds.And in live and let die there was some questioning i had about whether or not it was really Axl singing.
Just a thought, i could be wrong but i dont think so.
Anyways the show was amazing and i hope to see them again.  
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« Reply #146 on: December 02, 2002, 02:05:51 AM »

Oh yeah i forgot to mention the opening acts......
Absolutley horrible.
CKY is exactly the music that i hate and MMM was for a rap show or something. I advise anyonegoing to any other shows to skip this. It was the worst thing i have ever seen. But gnr on the other hand.....
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« Reply #147 on: December 02, 2002, 03:04:02 AM »

Just got home from toronto.
The show was unbelievable. Every song was  played with perfection............
Now heres a question.
How many people that went to the show thought that it was all live? Between one of the songs i heard the noise you hear when a tape rewinds.And in live and let die there was some questioning i had about whether or not it was really Axl singing.
Just a thought, i could be wrong but i dont think so.
Anyways the show was amazing and i hope to see them again.  


um, how does axl fuck up the lyrics to patience (and a few other songs from time to time) on a prerecorded tape? lol i think he's smarter than that  Wink  Grin

i was at albany and i think he was singing live  [ok]
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« Reply #148 on: December 02, 2002, 03:15:15 AM »

im not saying the whole show was pre recorded maybe just a few songs. Thats just what i noticed anyway. It was a little too perfect.
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« Reply #149 on: December 02, 2002, 03:29:32 AM »

ok, well why would they have issues mixing the sound/vocals and everything if it was taped? it would seem as if all they would have to do would be play the tapes at the right volume.
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« Reply #150 on: December 02, 2002, 11:55:34 AM »

ok...this is aah...my first time on here  [smoking] so...i am replying to this so i can have my say. the toronto show...was amazing  [ok] cheers to the new gnr  [beer]. infact, that was the only shitty thing about the show, they stopped serving after like 9 or something...brutal. the band was solid...tight...axl was...well...axl...his vocals were solid, to me anyway. and the new songs...wow, thats all i have to say about them. cannot wait for the new album. i think as long as all the fans of gnr go into with an opened mind, and not try to much to compare it to the past albums, people will like it. i have never seen gnr before, and i admitt, i was missin the slash and the rest of the gang, not cause of sound though, the new members did an amazing job with the old tunes...mainly for stage presense. but all in all, the best show i have ever seen...on my brithday too  Grin.

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« Reply #151 on: December 02, 2002, 12:20:38 PM »

Unreal!!!, These guys are amazing The best concert I've ever seen.  this band is better than the old one and I thought that was impossible!

Oh yah, a friend of mine saw Axl at an after hours club on Thursday night
and talked to him .....pretty fucking cool!!
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« Reply #152 on: December 02, 2002, 02:53:37 PM »

From the Globe and Mail

Axl's back with guns blazing



By SIMONA CHIOSE
   
     

Monday, December 2, 2002 – Page R3


Guns N' Roses

Air Canada Centre

in Toronto on Friday

Ten years ago, Kurt Cobain dismissed Axl Rose as a has-been. "His role has been played for years," he said, and the putdown, along with some egging on from Courtney Love, eventually led to verbal fisticuffs at the 1992 MTV Music Awards. The animosity was mutual. Guns N' Roses, with its pyrotechnics and long-haired following, was everything the Nirvana generation kicked out in favour of stripped-down grunge.

The irony, of course, was that Cobain and Rose have similar backgrounds, both high-school dropouts from poor, dysfunctional families, who grew up to become rage-fuelled artists. But where Cobain was the sensitive kid who couldn't wait to get away from the town hoodlums, Rose was the tough guy who turned those same disaffected hoodlums into his fans.

With this sort of reputation preceding you, and the recent Vancouver riot when Rose failed to appear for a concert, security was intense at Friday's Air Canada Centre show. Alcohol sales were cut off at 10 p.m., and police officers were stationed throughout the hall. The media were herded into the acoustically horrendous upper reaches of the press gallery, where every song sounds like a four-year-old banging on a new drum kit.

In the end, all the hand-wringing was secondary to the two-hour musical onslaught unleashed on stage. It has been a decade since Cobain declared the end of Axl -- only Rose is back. He's missing all his original bandmates, has not released an album since 1993, and has been portrayed as an eccentric recluse, but he showed why Guns N' Roses was always millions of miles ahead of teased-hair crews such as Poison.

However, the show was also evidence that the band is unlikely to scale their early heights again. The set was short on new numbers. Madagascar is an epic anthem, and was inexplicably accompanied by images of Martin Luther King projected onto the video screens. The title track of Chinese Democracy, a new album rumoured to be forthcoming this summer, has fewer frills than the classics, but is an intriguing glimpse of the future.

The problem for Guns N' Roses, should the album actually be released as scheduled, is that it would take a superlative CD to top the legacy of 1987's Appetite for Destruction and the band's best output in the five years that followed.

The guitar lines in Sweet Child o' Mine, the opening piano bars of November Rain and the snarled chaos of show-opener Welcome to the Jungle have secured a prime spot in the rock 'n' roll history books.

Paul McCartney's Live and Let Die featured the first of the band's exploding fireballs that made the heart race. Patience and the aforementioned Rain brought out the flickering lighters, while Paradise City gave the crowd one last chance to head-bang while confetti rained down and sparks filled the stage.

Despite their junior-gunner status, the band filled their slots well, particularly Nine Inch Nails guitarist Robert Finck, former Replacement bassist Tommy Stinson, and guitarist Buckethead (Brian Carroll). In a surreal moment, Buckethead, a cult figure who always appears wearing an upturned KFC chicken bucket (this one imprinted with the word "funeral") and a white mask, gave a solo guitar recital, then threw a bunch of toys into the audience.

The energy in the arena was at maximum capacity, and Rose matched it. He jogged continuously from one end of the stage to the other, up the stairs of the podium in the middle of the stage, down the other side, stopping only to shimmy from side to side, or stomp his feet in place, making the most of his braided hair all the while.

For yesterday's man, it wasn't too shabby a showing.
 
http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/PEstory/TGAM/20021202/RVGUNS/Arts/thearts/thearts_temp/1/1/13/
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« Reply #153 on: December 02, 2002, 05:04:53 PM »

http://www.muchmusic.com/insidemuch/stuff/guns_n_roses.asp

Short MuchMusic story. Really positive (and then it gets kinda funny because the band didn't allow photographs to be taken... so they took photos of the fans)
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« Reply #154 on: December 02, 2002, 07:48:25 PM »

I saw George from MuchMusic at the show. He sat like 3 rows ahead of me or something. Has anybody been watching the channel to see if he has said anything about it? I have stopped watching muchmusic since the music selection that comes on it is horrible.
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« Reply #155 on: December 02, 2002, 11:04:40 PM »

Unreal!!!, These guys are amazing The best concert I've ever seen.  this band is better than the old one and I thought that was impossible!

oh really? better than guns and roses! don't say that in the street,people will laugh at you, moron! [hihi] [hihi]
     
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« Reply #156 on: December 02, 2002, 11:20:07 PM »

Just got home from toronto.
The show was unbelievable. Every song was  played with perfection............
Now heres a question.
How many people that went to the show thought that it was all live? Between one of the songs i heard the noise you hear when a tape rewinds.And in live and let die there was some questioning i had about whether or not it was really Axl singing.
Just a thought, i could be wrong but i dont think so.
Anyways the show was amazing and i hope to see them again.  

I've heard those noises too,I didn't think about it,but now that you're saying it, [confused] and of course the openin'
act SUCKED big time,now you can tell how badly some fans are
trying to keep kissing axl's butt,nobody here likes rap or this
new crappy rock,they're always bashing those punks,but now
because axl brough them along, oh! they kick ass! amazing the
opening band,wow!!the DJ so talent.  please stop being so
ignorants and try to be yourself.
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« Reply #157 on: December 03, 2002, 12:14:52 AM »

im not saying the whole show was pre recorded maybe just a few songs. Thats just what i noticed anyway. It was a little too perfect.

That is officially the stupidest comment I've ever heard on this forum. And that's saying a lot. Call this a flame if you want, I guess it is. But I was at that fucking show. No way in hell was it "pre-recorded". It's not an N'SYNC concert. You can tell because sometime's Axl is a little offbeat. He'll sing a little too quick and then have to catch up (I noticed this in one song, I think it was My Michelle). And sometimes the guitars are off (i.e. Richard fucked up his NR solo in Toronto).

I can't believe I'm actually having this conversation. It's fucking pathetic.
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« Reply #158 on: December 03, 2002, 12:16:34 AM »

Yes I cant see how Axl is keeping these opening acts on for the whole tour. It was by far the worst music i have ever heard.
Maybe he wants the openers to suck just so people can say how much better his band is??
But really, by the last part of the tour, after all the word gets out about how much these openers suck, your not going to see anybody there until GNR come on stage.
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« Reply #159 on: December 03, 2002, 12:18:42 AM »

Oh yah for sure its milli vanilli all over again, They would definitely use tapes too either that or 8-tracks actually now that I think of it I thought I heard a record popping.
Why can't people just realize the fuckin guy is talented ...what do you think he just lost his ability to sing over the last 10 years. Axl sounded Amazing in T.O. I was there in the 16 row on the floor and that was no tape It was Guns N Fucking Roses Better than ever......now someone please tell me why that is such a fuckin surprise!!!
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