Chinese Democracy will be bigger than Appetite and lead to a music revolution

[Lesty]

This is the greatest album that never existed, people have proclaimed this to be the best album ever from never hearing one song.. I think people have decided before it has come out that it will start a music revolution, very few music revolutions being with a guy in his 40's/..

Music isn't always about how good it is, it's about if it catches on.. I love estranged but try to find the song played anywhere these days..

It will never be like the afd/illusion's era, just be realistic.. It could be a hit, but to say it will be like the fisrt original chapter is far fetched imo..

ANyways this is all shit talk lets hear the album and see how it does,.

Finally, a post that makes sense. You have to realize AFD was a once-in-a-lifetime, catching lightning in a bottle thing that happens when everything falls perfectly into place. Of course Illusion CDs were great, but that first masterpiece CD from five young, hungry, passionate unpredictable guys (slash, axl, izzy, steven, duff) is something that you can't just recreate, nor top over 15 years later. I'm hoping CD will be an amazing album, but to say it will start a music revoloution is ridiculous...Even if it WAS that good, the media and radio wouldn't allow it to start a revolution, as they have their own ideas of what kind of crap music they want to jam
down peoples throats.

[alternativemonkey]

I think that Chinese Democracy, much like Sgt. Peppers did back in the 60?s, is going to surprise the music world.? Just reading what Dizzy, Axl, Tommy and the other people from Paul Buckmaster to Marco Beltrami have said about this album, it is going to be very special.?
With Sgt. Peppers, the Beatles turned a lot of heads because that album was a huge step in that bands progression, and a huge departure from the Beatles old style.? ?Sgt. Peppers was nothing like the Beatles did before it, and Chinese Democracy is going to be like nothing we have heard before from Guns n? Roses.?
Tommy calls the new songs ?earth shattering? and Dizzy has said the songs will exceed our expectations.? Those statements make me wonder how amazing this album could very well be.? Brian May and Tommy have both talked about how outrageous/amazing Axl's voice is on the album.? ?Tommy also alluded that the rockers on CD will be like old gnr,? while Zakk Wylde said the songs he heard from CD sounded like AFD on steroids.
Axl?s lyrics are said to have deeper meaning than on past albums, and we know there is a song about John Lennon, a song about Axl?s childhood abuse, and I am sure ones about the old band and? the break up with Steph Seymour.? This album will also have some political flavor with Chinese Democracy and Oklahoma (if that song makes the album).
I believe Chinese Democracy is going to showcase the new bands diversity and could still be talked about years from now much like AFD is still proclaimed as being just as fresh today as it was 15 years ago.? CD is said to be a melting pot album by Axl and I think you will be able to tell what each members input was to each song.? I think each song will have each member?s trademark, something they can all be proud of.
I am not saying this album will be the best album ever, but I believe it?s going to something that will inspire discussion for years to come.? and not only will it serve to cement Axl's legendary status as the ultimate rock star, it will preserve the dignity of the guns n roses name in the annals of rock history

Screw Sgt. Peppers! It isn't even the best Beatles record. To quote the Clash, "All that phoney Beatlemania has bitten the dust." 

I miss the days when fans didn't care about how many albums their favorite band sold. Now, it seems that album sales and a STADIUM TOUR are the only measure of success.  If this album is going to sell a lot of albums (and I'm not talking about the first week), Axl needs a great marketing campaign. No matter how good the album is, GNR needs to promote it and their is NOTHING to lead us to believe that they are capable of marketing their own product - Live Era (do many people know that album actually exists), cancelled tours, no communication with their hardcore fans. Something akin to U2's television ad with iPod would push the album to the fore.

[ppbebe]

ANyways this is all shit talk lets hear the album and see how it does,.

Sometimes I think axl would be better off not releasing it........

Can't you decide??I sometimes wonder What's going on in your mind....

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You missed the entire point..

No. I didn't. I read your posts. Although I don?t share the same view on music to yours, I agree with the last line in your first post. On ya second one, Sure, Too much expectation is too much pressure but what?s about the last line. You?re the one who always complains about their no announce n no album.
So I pulled a gag.

When people do selective quoting they miss the point, and when someone is replying to another you have to read their quote as well..? Don't just pick to random lines without the rest of the story..

That's not my style.

[mikegiuliana]

ok no hard feelings..

[nesquick]

Now, it seems that album sales and a STADIUM TOUR are the only measure of success.? If this album is going to sell a lot of albums (and I'm not talking about the first week), Axl needs a great marketing campaign.

I agree. This will be the key of the success. The promotion MUST be absolutely  enormous, something equivalent to the ILLUSION EREA where GN'R was everywhere on this planet. in 2002, the promotion was very low, nothing compared to the illusion erea. If there is a real come-back, it needs to be enormous like madonna in the late 90's. When she came back, she re-became really popular and still is now. I hope "chinese democracy" will sold 15 or 20 million copies worldwide...AND YEAH A STADIUM TOUR WOULD BE GREAT. GN'R need can do something bigger than just arenas. MAKE IT BIG! 

[norway]

i do wish gnr all the best too, but most important is the music,

as axl said: t will be a diverse record

[Intercourse]

Guys  - WARNING!!! All artists have fairly large egos, of course Tommy etc think think their stuff is great, the album will be great but all this 'best ever' stuff.....? Chill out, its never going to live up to what some of you are expecting.

Lets look coldy and objectively at some of whats been offered so far:

The Blues - a  bit trite, and old fashioned, like the GnR song like 'Breakdown'. Theopening piano sounds like a hurdy gurdy in a fair ground- not going to move the public like SCOM I assure you.
Maddy - Some people think its amazing, nice verses NO chorus, lots of media babble, not much more.
Chinese Dem - Love the riff, love the verses again NO chorus worth remembering.

Silkworms - Axl trying to sound like Keith Flint in the Podigy (the fake British accent)...Somebody tell me what the fuck Axl was trying to accomplish singing in a British accent on that crap?? Does this not worry you DEEPLY....this is a man in his 40's doing this in front of 200,000 people!!!!! Putting on accents is the crap 16 year olds do in bands....I worry, I really do. It so sad to see a legend trying to mimic a MINNOW like Flint. Plus again with Silkworms as with all the others NO good chorus (don't even mention the 'what am I gonna do...' lines, that's shouting, not a chorus.)

As for using orchestras..check out Metallica, U2, Muse, Blur, Faith No More, Alice In Chains, Old GnR etc etc ...ITS BEEN DONE FOR YEARS!! TO DEATH!!!


Be blind, flame me if you want but old 'general public' will not see this 'music revolution' you speak of on the material released so far. 'Big Guns' may be coming but an ego like Axl will not release/play what he would feel to be crap music  surely after 10 years you see that? Using that logic, he must believe the new songs he played for us on the CD tour are great. Sadly they are not, they are good, NOT amazing or life changing.

I am not a hater, I want the man to succeed, it might make Slash & Co., reach down deeper into themselves and gives us a real ass kicker of an album instead of the lukewarm one we got...
If both parties were in direct competition we could see the most amazing stuff arrive on the scene, however, judging by the cards we've been dealt so far I think its too late. Advancing age, drugs, egomania and general fucking around etc have robbed the best of these men.
Sad.
Intercourse.

[younggunner]

not going to move the public like SCOM I assure you.

Its not going to be a single, so why would you suggest or compare it to scom?

lots of media babble

Silkworms - Axl trying to sound like Keith Flint in the Podigy (the fake British accent)...Somebody tell me what the fuck Axl was trying to accomplish singing in a British accent on that crap?? Does this not worry you DEEPLY....this is a man in his 40's doing this in front of 200,000 people!!!!! Putting on accents is the crap 16 year olds do in bands....I worry, I really do. It so sad to see a legend trying to mimic a MINNOW like Flint. Plus again with Silkworms as with all the others NO good chorus (don't even mention the 'what am I gonna do...' lines, that's shouting, not a chorus.)

Some peopel will never get it.....I enjoy the osng a lot...in fact its blasying right now....pussy full o fmaggot you....

Bumblefoot said silk worms reminded him of Pink FLyod.

Be blind, flame me if you want but old 'general public' will not see this 'music revolution' you speak of on the material released so far. 'Big Guns' may be coming but an ego like Axl will not release/play what he would feel to be crap music  surely after 10 years you see that? Using that logic, he must believe the new songs he played for us on the CD tour are great. Sadly they are not, they are good, NOT amazing or life changing.

Im pretty confident Axl will be able to write atleast a  few memorable osngs and the band will be able to use thier talents and come up with some interesting sounds...actually i think the whole ablum will be mind blowing...

[HoldenCaulfield]

He wants to do to today's world what grunge did to him and his peers.

Wow, I like how you said it. I never thought of it this way

Thats because theres no evidence to back it up...in fact:

"Basically, [I'm] listening to everything that's out there as far as music goes. That was a big difference between myself and Slash and Duff, is that I didn't hate everything new that came out. I really liked the Seattle movement. I like White Zombie. I like Nine Inch Nails, and I like hip-hop. I don't hate everything. I don't think everybody should be worshiping me 'cause I was around before them." - Axl

So Slash and VR are the ones who seem to have that mindset...I know, theyre not changing rock, VR is boring, etc., etc...Im just pointing out that Axl probably doesnt have that desire, while his ex-members do.

I'm not saying Axl didn't like grunge, but the fact is that it's what put him out of business, so to speak...

[Booker Floyd]

I'm not saying Axl didn't like grunge, but the fact is that it's what put him out of business, so to speak...

What evidence do you have to support a comment such as that?  Because it would seem odd that Axl would want to put current musicians out of business when hes publicly stated that he listens to and likes a lot of new music...

[Eva GnRAxlRosette]

Axl did that accent on Down on the Farm
It adds humour to the song
Something to take the edge off of lyrics like "pussy full of maggots" 

[erose]

Axl did that accent on Down on the Farm
It adds humour to the song
Something to take the edge off of lyrics like "pussy full of maggots"?

down on the farm is originally sung with lots of brittish accent, so i doubt it's pure humor, but who gives a shit anyway... i think the voice tone sets a sertain character of a song, but it couldn't make me like or dislike a song... i believe...

[norway]

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When I listen to "oh my god" or "silkworms"....I just don't understand.  I just don't understand where he wants to go with his "new musical direction".
vocal-guitar-bass-drums-piano/keyboard...and that's it. Just make normal music. With that, you can sell tons of albums, sell-out all the stadiums you want, and be successfull again. You don't need computers to write music. Computers are just here to improve the recording process ( quality of sound) and that's it. When you start to make a computer create your music (ex: Indus music), well, this is the begining of the end...

well, we'll get used to it, i'm intrested, a revisit to the past would be dull, but music can still be based on that
here some axl comment on the album, so we'll better get used to not gettin afd2


"Appetite," which was to kind of be a melting pot of a lot things that were going on, plus use past influences, I could make the right record if I used my influences from what I've been listening to that everybody else is listening to out there. So in that sense, I think it is like old Guns N' Roses as far as, like, the spirit and the attempt to throw all kinds of different styles together.

So we have material that we think is too advanced for old Guns fans to hear right now and they would completely hate, because we were exploring the use of computers [along with] everybody really playing their ass off and combining that


 I wouldn't say it's like, you know, that we recorded a double album, or that we have all of our scraps to be the second one. There is a distinct difference in sound. The second leans probably a little more to aggressive electronica with full guitars, where the first one is definitely more guitar-based.

Working with several other musicians and producers, Rose amasses thousands of hours of tapes with song fragments and musical ideas, none of which have been heard publicly.

[Intercourse]

Guys  -
OK so some of the guys have spoken regarding Chin Dem and we have all run away with ourselves imagining this to be some extra-terestrial feat of wonderment, I say this:

WARNING!!! All artists have fairly large egos. Of course Axl, Tommy, Dizzy etc think think their stuff is great. This album should be great but all this 'best album ever' stuff.....? Chill out, its never going to live up to what some of you are expecting.

Lets look coldy and objectively at some of whats been offered so far:

The Blues - a  bit trite and old fashioned, something along the lines of the GnR song 'Breakdown'. The opening piano is a bit...well....sappy... the lyric is ok. This song is  not going to move the public like SCOM I assure you, if it's ever released as a single I think it will bomb.

Maddy - Some people think its amazing..why? It has  beautiful verses yes but NO chorus, lots of media babble, lots of screeching guitars and not much more.

Chinese Dem - GREAT riff, love the verses but again NO chorus worth remembering.

Silkworms - Axl trying to sound like Keith Flint in the Podigy (the fake British accent)...Somebody tell me what the fuck Axl was trying to accomplish singing in a British accent on that crap?? Does this not worry you DEEPLY....this is a man in his 40's doing this people!!!!! Putting on accents is the crap 16 year olds do in bands....If it was a cover I'd understand but this kind of thing is childish...I worry, I really do. It so sad to see a LEGEND trying to mimic a MINNOW like Flint. Plus again with Silkworms as with all the others, NO good chorus (don't even mention the 'what am I gonna do...' lines, that's shouting, not a chorus.)

As for using orchestras..check out Metallica, U2, Muse, Blur, Faith No More, Alice In Chains, Old GnR etc etc ...ITS BEEN DONE FOR YEARS!! TO DEATH!!! All this talk of how 'unique' this collaboration is just too much.....


Be blind, flame me if you want but old 'general public' will not see this 'music revolution' you speak of on the material released so far. 'Big Guns' may be coming as the great man said. However, an ego like Axl will not release/play what he would feel to be average/crap music EVER, especially with the world and his former bandmates watching; surely after 10 years you all see that? Using that logic, he must believe the new songs he played for us on the CD tour are great. Sadly they are not great, they are good, NOT amazing or life changing or revolutionary.

I am not a hater, I want the man to succeed, I want him to amaze, elighten and uplift us all. It might make Slash & VR, reach down deeper into themselves and gives us a real ass kicker of an album instead of the lukewarm one we got...
If both parties were in direct competition we could see the most amazing music arrive on the scene.  However, judging by the cards we've been dealt so far  by both camps I think it may quite possibly be too late. Advancing age, drugs burnout, egomania and general too much fucking around etc may have robbed us of the best of these men musically.

So before you bite my head off, put on 'Welcome to the Jungle' then put on 'Chinese Democracy' and be a cold objective judge on the impact of each...Put on 'November Rain' and then put on 'Maddy' and do the same......they just don't stack up against each other. 
I'm worried this album will be the 'Water World' of the music business.
I hope TO FUCK I am wrong.
Intercourse.

[mikegiuliana]

This post looks familiar.. Well I think a music revolution is a bit much, I don't think these songs are the sronger of the two eras thus far.. I'll just wait n see when I buy the album..

[33]

Is this Taz back under a different name?

[mikegiuliana]

Is this Taz back under a different name?

He makes some good points, but I just don't want to get into it, I feel like I'm always arguing about direction, or albums, or the current (old.new) material..

As  revolution it would be a bit crazy to think the new instalment would have the same effect as they did in 87.. That's just using logic and looking at others who come back and people of that age..

I hope they sell everything out and cd goes platinum 10 times, but that's just talk and we'll have to wait n see..

[thelostrose]

i don't think so, Taz would praise VR's album and especially Slash. Intercourse is just pessimistic and it seems he doesn'r quite like the news tracks - which of course is his right. but at least he doesn't bash axl.

[Intercourse]

No it isn't . Ok it's a rehash of old arguments, but we've fuck all else to talk about regarding our favourite band.
That other 'musical revolution' mail just struck me that some of the fans are off the radar about what Axl is going to give us... it just got me to thinking that disappointment or a feeling of not getting what was hoped for seems to permeate through this GNR, VR story and I think its because the myth is now bigger than the men..
U2 are suffering the same way with their new album....they just can't reach the ridicilous expectations people have for them anymore plus they are gettin' old...
Maybe Axl is in the same hole...
Intercourse.

[mikegiuliana]

You really think u-2 is suffering after a grammy album in 2001, and now a big release in 2004.. ?

Age plays a big part in newer bands, someone like the stones, aeromsith, kiss, ac/dc, etc have had the same growing fan base so it's not a big deal.. SOmeone like revolver is new and will be harder to get as many people interested..

Axl may have those problems, or he might not.. It's just something that only the release will tell..