Chinese Democracy will be bigger than Appetite and lead to a music revolution

[Taz]

Allot of the gunners on this board have had some doubts about the fact that 8 songs on CD may incorporate orchestral arrangements.? It's often said that Axl has tried to be a step or two ahead of the music industry, trying to make his music relative to the time.? Back in 2001, a friend of mine told me that Axl had said at one point that the world isn't ready for Chinese Democracy, trying to defend its delayed release.? I couldn't find a quote to support this (maybe some of you can) but if the recent information about composers involvement is true, this is definitely the case.? In past years, you've seen major rock bands like Kiss and Metallica try to incorporate classical music into their own.? They've done so with mild success and I personally enjoy each of those respective albums.?
Earlier this week, someone posted an interview from Matt Sorum in 1996 where he was quoted as saying he questioned the value of November Rain when he first heard it, but after its success he learned and respected that Axl knew what he was doing and had a vision of the future of music.? While not trying to be a music snob, I think it's fair to say that both Rock and Classical musician?s music are generally considered to be more valuable and meaningful.? This isn't to say that punk, rap, country or other genres are lacking, just that as an overall genre, they lack the complexity that successful rock bands possess.? Each genre has its fair share of shit bands that are aimed at commercial success and we can all agree that rock has just as many if not more than the other styles of music.
I truly believe that it is Axl's goal to incorporate the style and depth of classical music to the methods and brilliance that is Guns N' Roses.? Velvet Revolver is a great band and I have nothing but respect and admiration for Slash and Duff, but Contraband isn't going to change the music world.? Here lies the problem and reason why the original Gunners broke up.? We all know that they saw the band going in a different direction and their egos (rightfully so I think) couldn't work past this. So they moved on to fulfill their own aims and desires.? Tommy made a statement a month or so ago that Axl takes himself and his music way too seriously and has to be on the top of the music world; he can't separate the music from himself.? Here lies (in my opinion) the genius of Axl, his music is him, and it is his life.? The two are synonymous.? I truly believe that when Chinese Democracy comes out, it's going to change everything much like AFD did in 88 and similarly to how Nirvana kind of led the move away from 80s metal.? Had Guns been able to hold together and trust the direction of Axl (after all it was his judgment and direction that made UYI such a hit, he had more influence on those records than any other member) than maybe Axl could have accomplished Chinese Democracy sooner.? Axl has to be a success, he's not going to release an album just for the two or three million of us who would appreciate it, it has to be epic and world dominating like all their albums have been.?
I want Chinese Democracy as much as anyone else, but the world has to be ready for it before he can put it out there.? It's been said before, but I think that's what the 2002 tour was all about; Axl testing the waters to see if the world was finally ready.? I really believe and allot of sources are pointing to a release of CD in the next 6 months.? When Chinese Democracy finally comes, I think we'll all be grateful that Axl waited the extra few years to assure its success.? Axl wants Chinese Democracy to be the biggest GNR album yet and I don't think he's going to stop until he's sure he's completed that goal.? When it does come out, I truly believe that a new birth and direction to rock and music will be set.
If he does accomplish this goal, then and only then can the complex egos of the original members be out aside and then maybe they can try to work out their problems.? While I doubt this will happen because each of their egos is extraordinarily strong, Chinese Democracy's success is the only thing that can re-unite them.

Your thoughts and opinions are welcome.

Excuse me !?!

[Axl_owns_dexter]

Honestly, Guns were going to take a dive no matter what in the mid to late 90's.  They just weren't the fad of the day.  Axl isn't stupid, he realized it.  He went in to seclusion and waited until the tide turned in his favor a little.

I believe he said in one of those RollingStone interviews that, "my new thing is that I the unknown." The man spoke the truth.

[norway]

axl on the album:

I could make the right record if I used my influences from what I've been listening to that everybody else is listening to out there. So in that sense, I think it is like old Guns N' Roses as far as, like, the spirit and the attempt to throw all kinds of different styles together.

check loder's interview http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=28
 to dig deeper into what the album may sound like, and add the new inputs from classical music to get a hint of what the album will sound like

Yes time makes things fade away, old guns is better of now

axl himself in 92 "maybe it would be best for the purist if we died or broke up"

[Taz]

axl himself in 92 "maybe it would be best for the purist if we died or broke up"

Done.

[Booker Floyd]

He wants to do to today's world what grunge did to him and his peers.

Wow, I like how you said it. I never thought of it this way

Thats because theres no evidence to back it up...in fact:

"Basically, [I'm] listening to everything that's out there as far as music goes. That was a big difference between myself and Slash and Duff, is that I didn't hate everything new that came out. I really liked the Seattle movement. I like White Zombie. I like Nine Inch Nails, and I like hip-hop. I don't hate everything. I don't think everybody should be worshiping me 'cause I was around before them." - Axl

So Slash and VR are the ones who seem to have that mindset...I know, theyre not changing rock, VR is boring, etc., etc...Im just pointing out that Axl probably doesnt have that desire, while his ex-members do.

[Taz]

"So Slash and VR are the ones who seem to have that mindset...I know, theyre not changing rock, VR is boring, etc., etc...Im just pointing out that Axl probably doesnt have that desire, while his ex-members do. "




False.

[thelostrose]

So Slash and VR are the ones who seem to have that mindset...I know, theyre not changing rock, VR is boring, etc., etc...Im just pointing out that Axl probably doesnt have that desire, while his ex-members do.

agreed!

[Cocaine__tongue]

It's gonna be very difficult for chinese democracy to surpase what Afd has accomplished, not only in album sales, but in terms of Afd being considered as one of the best albums of all time.

Music in Cd will be a lot more complex, that seems obvious. Some people will like it and some will not, it's as simple as that. Even though a lot of people are saying that Axl hasn't written much music, I'm sure he has the capability of making some music that will last foerever. Just think of november rain or estranged.....those songs, slash and duff hated them, they said they were obligated to play them. And as a fact, they're some of the songs which mostly everyone loves.

OK, seems like a lot of people are concerned with the orchestration in this album. 7 or 8 songs have been orchestrated either by beltrami or by buckmaster. so what???. the beatles were the first supergroup to introduce classical music parts in their pop songs and everyone followed. I love orchestration in rock songs and I happen to enjoy a lot the metallica s&m (metallica haters don't bash me ? ). People who like U2, I asume that everyone has noticed the orchestration in One, right?. if not, check it out, it's orchestrated and it's one of the best songs from the last 15 years.

Afd was and still is one of the best rock records of all time. It has influenced a lot of bands since it's release. Cd will be one of the greatest records of all time and will influence a lot of bands also. Remember: Maddy and the blues are not the big guns, so this album, is gonna kick serious ass

[Mikkamakka]

Music in Cd will be a lot more complex, that seems obvious.

I'm not sure about this. Madagascar, The Blues and CD are among the simpliest GN'R songs ever. The hopefully non-album tracks like Rhiad and Silkworms really brought back chaos into music, but in a very special way. We cannot say it'll be complex until we don't hear the other songs.

[norway]

check axl's own review of the cd, there's a lot goin on

[Cocaine__tongue]

Music in Cd will be a lot more complex, that seems obvious.

I'm not sure about this. Madagascar, The Blues and CD are among the simpliest GN'R songs ever. The hopefully non-album tracks like Rhiad and Silkworms really brought back chaos into music, but in a very special way. We cannot say it'll be complex until we don't hear the other songs.

I'm not talking of this songs specifically. The orchestration, the years in the making, Axl's will to deliver a perfect record....that's what will make cd a complex album.

[mikegiuliana]

This is the greatest album that never existed, people have proclaimed this to be the best album ever from never hearing one song.. I think people have decided before it has come out that it will start a music revolution, very few music revolutions being with a guy in his 40's/..

Music isn't always about how good it is, it's about if it catches on.. I love estranged but try to find the song played anywhere these days..

It will never be like the afd/illusion's era, just be realistic.. It could be a hit, but to say it will be like the fisrt original chapter is far fetched imo..

ANyways this is all shit talk lets hear the album and see how it does,.

[mikegiuliana]

Music in Cd will be a lot more complex, that seems obvious.

I'm not sure about this. Madagascar, The Blues and CD are among the simpliest GN'R songs ever. The hopefully non-album tracks like Rhiad and Silkworms really brought back chaos into music, but in a very special way. We cannot say it'll be complex until we don't hear the other songs.

See I don't know how everyone is geting this better then ever music revolution type album never heard before based on those songs...?? Everyone always says don't judge until you hear cd butr yet people start saying stuff like they know..
Yet there's world domination talks..Sometimes I think axl would be better off not releasing it because in his fans mind this is the best album ever.

[John Daniels]

But to all those who doubt the greatness of this album, I challenge you to name me one album released thus far where he failed to give us anything but excellence.

Yeah Axl and the others gave something very special for us.. And now let's see and hope Axl will do as great with the new members as he did with Slash, Duff, Izzy etc..

[ppbebe]

ANyways this is all shit talk lets hear the album and see how it does,.

Sometimes I think axl would be better off not releasing it........

Can't you decide??I sometimes wonder What's going on in your mind....

[Charity Case]

Here is the problem  I have heard Maddy, The Blues and CD and they are in no way even close to being the kind or quality of music it would take to (a) make the album a huge success or (b) start a music revolution.  Common sense tells us that Axl must have thought those 3 songs were pretty good in order to put them in his setlist during that failed abbreviated tour in 2002.  Well, if those ate any indication of what quality of songs we can expect from CD, then we may get a decent album, but it won't be anything earth shattering.  And please spare me the "big -guns" crap.  That is almost as ridiculous as the "he has 3 albums done" crap.

[PhillyRiot]

Do you honestly think Chinese Democracy will be better than AFD? ?I highly doubt it. ?The new songs are good, but do they really ?compare with Nightrain, WTJ, Rocket Queen, Brownstone etc??? To me they don't. ?Musically, I prefer the old band. ?The guitar solos on Appetite are better than anything I've heard from the new band. ?The only guitar solo from any of the new band songs that is half way decent is the Blues. ?Plus, I think Axl's voice was better when he recorded AFD. ?It was stronger and sounded more "raw." ?I don't think any band will ever top AFD and that includes VR. ?But hey, mabey I will someday be proven wrong, but I doubt that day is coming. ?I don't think Axl will ever surpass the old GNR, and I don't think that Slash, Duff and Matt will ever surpass the old GNR, they were that DAMN good!!!!

[mikegiuliana]

ANyways this is all shit talk lets hear the album and see how it does,.

Sometimes I think axl would be better off not releasing it........

Can't you decide??I sometimes wonder What's going on in your mind....

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You missed the entire point because what I said was the album is being called larger then life without people evenb hearing it so I said axl would be better off not releasing it.. The reason I said that is because what people expect can only be in their minds, imagine an album being praised as the next rock revolution yet they haven't heard anything from it..

People say bettr then afd and this n that yet tehy haven't heard one track from the album.,. I find that remarkable

As for the this is shit talk I'm saying yapping about the album's potential is crazy being no one has heard anything from it..

If I had to use the new songs I';ve heard as a guidline it wouldn't be a masterpoiece it would be more of average tunes, butt hat's neithere here nor there, the entire album is probably different then those samples..

When people do selective quoting they miss the point, and when someone is replying to another you have to read their quote as well..  Don't just pick to random lines without the rest of the story..

[bolton]

GUNS N ROCK MUSIC great post,and i apsolutely agree with you!!1
AFD is the best album ever,but many people want copy of that album in 2005!!!
that's stupid,AFD is one,but i 'm so exciting with axls colaboration with composer and classical musicians!!1
GREAT JOB AXL

[N.I.B]

GUNS N ROCK MUSIC great post,and i apsolutely agree with you!!1
AFD is the best album ever,but many people want copy of that album in 2005!!!
that's stupid,AFD is one,but i 'm so exciting with axls colaboration with composer and classical musicians!!1
GREAT JOB AXL

the only reason they'll want a copy is caus its the return og GNR. its not gonna be bigger than appittie caus CD isnt a breakthrough album. Give another few years, many people will loose interest in the album. I'd still buy it, but AFD is there best, no other album GNR could make will beat it. Everyone has AFD.