Chinese Democracy will be bigger than Appetite and lead to a music revolution

[younggunner]

why did u start a new thread after you already posted the same thing in a recent dead horse topic?

[norway]

Those songs is never meant as singles, and some of them may not make it on the album

other artist s(kylie, jp iced earth, vr) ?are in their 40's having a great time fuckng around

nothing wrong with that,

if you wan't more predictable songs, i'm sure you get some on the album,
but songs with the standard, verse- kick-ass chorus- then solo fits more for the moneydiggers, idol-workers than musiclovers if the album gonna concist of that package. a little of both will do

gnr will sure give something "cool" for the young ones to dig

and something that works for the grown ups that don't get embarrased by fake british accent

what do think?

[Intercourse]

When I say suffering I mean people are now saying U2 sound too much like U2 on ths album...(?)
Read reviews about it in RS, Pitchfork etc. They can't win with some critics and even some of the fans.
It is interesting what a difficult thing a world changing album can be to a band in the long run. Look at Waco Jacko (Thriller), STP (Core), U2 (The Joshua Tree), Norah Jones (Come Away..), Alanis Morrisette (...Pill), GnR (AFD)......none of these people ever got the same type of success they found on these albums again. Sure they all sold loads of records afterwards but it was always a case of..'yeah this ones great BUT its not as good as...'.
Maybe this is what's killing Axl...he can't bury AFD no matter how hard  he tries and thus he can't bury the old line up either. Maybe its the source of all the problems???

[SLCPUNK]

As for using orchestras..check out Metallica, U2, Muse, Blur, Faith No More, Alice In Chains, Old GnR etc etc ...ITS BEEN DONE FOR YEARS!! TO DEATH!!! All this talk of how 'unique' this collaboration is just too much.....

I agree with your post for the most part. With the exception of this statement.

Orchestration does not mean full on orchestra like everybody is thinking. I think people here are getting too carried away and thinking along the lines of what you are saying. I highly doubt it will be anything like that.

The rest, to me, is true. I don't think that Maddy or The Blues are great like many here believe. In fact I'm not crazy about them at all. I like Silkworms a lot though, and CD, while very good, is not anything like that of the past. But to me, it is great just to hear Axl do something. So if CD is just good, that is still ok with me. I just like hearing what he puts out.

I have lots of artists I listen to. Some have great albums that put them on the map, and others are just ok. I like them all, although some better than others.

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Silkworms - Axl trying to sound like Keith Flint in the Podigy (the fake British accent)...Somebody tell me what the fuck Axl was trying to accomplish singing in a British on that crap?? Does this not worry you DEEPLY....this is a man in his 40's doing this people!!!!! Putting on accents is the crap 16 year olds do in bands....If it was a cover I'd understand but this kind of thing is childish...I worry, I really do. It so sad to see a LEGEND trying to mimic a MINNOW like Flint.
Intercourse.

? What the fuck are you on about? Yeh granted you did make a few valid points in your original post, but what the fuck is this comment all about? It sounds sod all like the Prodigy and when I heard Silkworms at Rio I certainly didnt think "Oh my god Axl is trying to sound like a fake brit here" And why is Keith Flint a minnow? Im not trying to be pro Prodigy here but its a bit of silly comment to make considering what Keith Flint and the rest of the Prodigy have achieved for their Genre of music!!

[Intercourse]

You do not have to be  an 'idol worker' or a 'moneydiggers' to  like a good chorus.
A good chorus does not necessarily make a song 'predicatable' either..
GnR have had an incredible run of choruses and that has been part of their appeal.
SCOM,
Paradise City
Pretty Tied Up
Patience
etc
I don't hear them and I find the songs lack an impact as a result....my opinion and short attention span Joe Publics too I guarantee you...

If you like the 'british accent' thing fair enough, I pointed out why I think it sucks, it's more to do with Axl following rather than leading.
Legends don't follow ANYBODY.

[norway]

agree, right next door has that verse-chrorus-solo thing and still works for me

But the songs stepping out from that standard is quite good and far more intresting musicwise

and the blues has part that works as a chorus works...

Anyone else find youself singin i don't now what i should do and has that part in your head like a chorus would?

[mikegiuliana]

When I say suffering I mean people are now saying U2 sound too much like U2 on ths album...(?)
Read reviews about it in RS, Pitchfork etc. They can't win with some critics and even some of the fans.
It is interesting what a difficult thing a world changing album can be to a band in the long run. Look at Waco Jacko (Thriller), STP (Core), U2 (The Joshua Tree), Norah Jones (Come Away..), Alanis Morrisette (...Pill), GnR (AFD)......none of these people ever got the same type of success they found on these albums again. Sure they all sold loads of records afterwards but it was always a case of..'yeah this ones great BUT its not as good as...'.
Maybe this is what's killing Axl...he can't bury AFD no matter how hard? he tries and thus he can't bury the old line up either. Maybe its the source of all the problems???

Yeah there's something amazing about most artist's early work, the albums just fly off the shelves..

I remember dookie from gd, nevermind, ten from pj, etc.. SOme reason certain groups have a decline in sales regardless of what their music is.. It's all about being at teh right moment in time.. ?Latin explosion, boybands, pop princesses, they all have time frames..

I believe it's because every 5 years or so a new type of sound or attitude appears and the younger kids fall for it..

WHo would think yellow card, or new found glory, or GC, or hoobastank would be so big, they mostly suck ass ,they just appeal to the younger kids..

I look at it this way to tell you about age, the reason by hoobastank was a number one hit, but fall to pieces couldn't climb the charts as well.. Now give hoobastank fall to pieces and their faces around it and it would be gold ?ANother example is look how good breaking the habit by LP has done, the onsg sucks but kids can't get enough of it..
It's all about time and what the people want or what mtv can trick them into loving.

[Intercourse]

? What the fuck are you on about? Yeh granted you did make a few valid points in your original post, but what the fuck is this comment all about? It sounds sod all like the Prodigy and when I heard Silkworms at Rio I certainly didnt think "Oh my god Axl is trying to sound like a fake brit here" And why is Keith Flint a minnow? Im not trying to be pro Prodigy here but its a bit of silly comment to make considering what Keith Flint and the rest of the Prodigy have achieved for their Genre of music!!

Come on man, Keith Flint barely even made it onto the new Prodigy album and YES I am a fan of the band.  Why would a legend want to follow Flint of all people? Liam Howlett is the heart of that band, writer, producer, boss; Flint was a novelty act which is shown out by his absence on most of the new record.
I mean if Slash came out with a band called 'Slash 182/41' sporting heavy, runny eye liner, sleeve tatoos and started pogo jumping while playing pop punk you'd fucking ROAST him..why? 'cause he doesn't NEED to,
Same for Axl...LEGENDS should steal ideas from others yes, but make it so much their own its unrecognisable as a copy YES.

[Pandora]

No need to create a new thread about the same thing.

-Merged-

[nesquick]

GnR (AFD)......none of these people ever got the same type of success they found on these albums again.

Guns n' Roses were WAAAAY more popular during the illusion erea than during the Appetite one in the world. So maybe Appetite is the best album of the band, but they were more successfull and more popular at the time of UYI. UYI erea was the peak of the band in a worldwide popularity. Now I don't live in the U.S., maybe they were more popular during Appetite there I don't know.

[mikegiuliana]

GnR (AFD)......none of these people ever got the same type of success they found on these albums again.

Guns n' Roses were WAAAAY more popular during the illusion erea than during the Appetite one in the world. So maybe Appetite is the best album of the band, but they were more successfull and more popular at the time of UYI. UYI erea was the peak of the band in a worldwide popularity. Now I don't live in the U.S., maybe they were more popular during Appetite there I don't know.

That's a defenite.. I think the illusions opened up a new fan base, you had the acdc/metallica fans, but then with the singles like don't cry and november rain you got the softer rock followers to enjoy gnr.. Those songs really touched the female audience.. I remember when nr came out my mom really enjoyed it..

The reason afd gets the recognition is because it was the catalyst that launched this raw untamed band into a world of mostly hair bands,.. It was a breath of fresh air, something different, not staged.. It was one of those albums that changed music at the time, same way nirvana's nevermind gets the credit..

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If you like the 'british accent' thing fair enough, I pointed out why I think it sucks, it's more to do with Axl following rather than leading.
Legends don't follow ANYBODY.

I am not trying to just argue with you for the sake of it Intercourse, but I dont get where you are coming from with this 'Axl following and not leading thing'. The main reason why I too believe Axl is a legend is because I dont think he has ever followed any other artist or their style ever. I believe that is why is he is a legend because he is so fucking unique. I think Silkworms for example was very unique, a little strange yeh but not an attempt at copying the Prodigy or anyone else (just my opinion). Second to GnR the Prodigy are one of my favourite bands and I have seen them in concert many times and that is why I was saying earlier why I didnt think of the Prodigy at all when I heard Silkworms at Rio. Its as I have thought for a long long time, when we finally see Chinese Democracy it will be a massive massive album with so many different styles of music on there. I may be very wrong but I dont think Silkworms will be on the album i just think that it was a chance to play live one of the many songs he has been toying with. No of us know what is gonna be on there we can only speculate, but lets just hope its as good as we are all hoping.

[ppbebe]

  to estranged33

When it is what the artists truly desire to let people hear rather than what they compromised to meet people?s taste it will no way fall short of My expectation.

I?d say

WARNING!!! Many artists get fairly large expectations from their fans. Of course we think their stuff is great. Chill out, its nothing uncommon among those fandom.
Such expectations just give us thrills of being fans. Not much harm.

However there are a bit unusual elements being usual in the GNR world. That is,
as you see in this thread there are still a few fans who are not ready yet. They won?t be ready forever coz they refuse to.

 "So we have material that we think is too advanced for old Guns fans to hear right now and they would completely hate, because we were exploring the use of computers [along with] everybody really playing their ass off and combining that, but trying to push the envelope a bit. It's like, "Hmm, I have to push the envelope a little too far. We'll wait on that." So we got a list of things". ?
---axl on the album sound(99):taken from the link norway(Ta!? ) provided.

On checking this with Tommy?s comments Guns n rock quoted, I hope he?s not caring about the fans too much. There?re some dogmatists haunting GNR and other upright fans. They never try to expand themselves. You can?t expect their advance much. Moreover, they?re very few in relation to the big picture that even commercial wise (which I don?t care tho), their doctrines should be neglected.

I know that Axl cares about his fans, but no artist creates a record just for the fans (other than those intersted soley in fiscal gain).?

To care about fiscal thingy is not to care about fans.

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[OK, I will be extremely severe: these Axl sentences have scrared me since the first day I read them (2 or 3 years ago I think). For me it means an entire album filled with horrible indus songs like silkworms...that's what I understand by reading that statement. I'm not in the GN'R camp, but if I were Geffen, I would refuse to release an album like that on my record company because it would mean a total failure. Indus music is NOT popular, it's not accessible, this is a marginal kind of music. It just sounds bad. I really hope Axl has changed his mind and returned to a more normal conception of music after all these years. I hope he understood the general desapointement when "silkworms" or "oh my god" were played...

With all due respect I reckon Axl probably knows what he is up to! I mean I obviousy dont know anything that is happening on the GnR world, but I reckon he has acheived enough in his career to date to know how to release a good album.

[Intercourse]

to estranged33


However there are a bit unusual elements being usual in the GNR world. That is,
as you see in this thread there are still a few fans who are not ready yet. They won?t be ready forever coz they refuse to.
 

I am ready for this album, full on electronica, RnB, Hip Hop, RnR whatever....BRING IT ON...I have all types of music in my collection and I've played and recorded music for nearly 12 years for fun and professionally.
What I am pointing here out has NOTHING to do with the stylistic arguments or an inability to move on.
The absence of a hook in many/all of the new tunes is my opinion and is one shared by many others, it does not in ANY way mean that I do not understand or appreciate what Axl & Co. are trying to do. I am merely clistening and giving my opinion. I don't hear the HOOKS in the new tunes that I heard in the old... A HOOK is a HOOK regardless of the style of song it is..
The Blues - where is the hook? Is it a line? A guitar run? A piano sounds..please show me.
Maddy - The first line of the verse seems to be the only hook I can find., Again enlighten me on where the rest of them are.
SilkWorms: It's electronica so put it against similar pieces by NIN, The Prodigy or Crystal Meth and does it rate?...NO.

I am highlighting CRAFT here, the crafting of memorable music. Sure all the bells and whistles are there but 'memorable'...sadly no. This is not about me moving on or evolving, its about Axl releasing good songs vs bad songs. If The Blues is the best mid-tempo ballad he can give us after 4 years with the current line up then as I said, I don't think the man has the chops he had.  Axl must be very proud of Maddy, he played it at the VMAs to the millions for his big comeback. The verses are STUNNING but it meanders off to a load of quotes and noise after that...

I don't want the same old sound but I want the QUALITY I am used to from the man abd I'm not hearing it.
As I said I hope to FUCK I am wrong.
Intercourse.

[norway]

The second leans probably a little more to aggressive electronica with full guitars, where the first one is definitely more guitar-based. (axl on the album)

ops, double post, but i just can't wait to hear this album and how it mix with rock

[nesquick]

With all due respect I reckon Axl probably knows what he is up to! I mean I obviousy dont know anything that is happening on the GnR world, but I reckon he has acheived enough in his career to date to know how to release a good album.

if it was the case, why did he include "my world" on UYI2? why did he release a kind of song like "oh my god" in 1999 as the first track and first impression in almost 6 years? why did he play silkworms...and stopped to play it after he felt it wasn't well-received at all? why did he make that statement talking about indus music that he wants to make (again)?
He wants to achieve something "indus" for GN'R...but it just won't work. come on, he already did it, and it didn't work. so why does he continue? This is what I want to understand. just one question, one problem: Why does Axl continue in this indus musical direction if it will very likely be a failure?

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The absence of a hook in many/all of the new tunes is my opinion and is one shared by many others, it does not in ANY way mean that I do not understand or appreciate what Axl & Co. are trying to do. I am merely clistening and giving my opinion. I don't hear the HOOKS in the new tunes that I heard in the old... A HOOK is a HOOK regardless of the style of song it is..
The Blues - where is the hook? Is it a line? A guitar run? A piano sounds..please show me.
Maddy - The first line of the verse seems to be the only hook I can find., Again enlighten me on where the rest of them are.
SilkWorms: It's electronica so put it against similar pieces by NIN, The Prodigy or Crystal Meth and does it rate?...NO.

I am highlighting CRAFT here, the crafting of memorable music. Sure all the bells and whistles are there but 'memorable'...sadly no. This is not about me moving on or evolving, its about Axl releasing good songs vs bad songs. If The Blues is the best mid-tempo ballad he can give us after 4 years with the current line up then as I said, I don't think the man has the chops he had. Axl must be very proud of Maddy, he played it at the VMAs to the millions for his big comeback. The verses are STUNNING but it meanders off to a load of quotes and noise after that...

I don't want the same old sound but I want the QUALITY I am used to from the man abd I'm not hearing it.
As I said I hope to FUCK I am wrong.
Intercourse.

What?? Whats with all the technical shit? Hooks and Craft?? I said earlier that I'm sure Axl and the rest of the band know what they are doing. I just cant help but think you are being rather negative thats all, and getting a little deep about what the content of the album will be when nobody really knows! I can see that you are obviously a GnR fan and are not just here to bash Axl and the new band as so many others do, but I just dont get some of your comments!

[norway]

If HE and some FANS  thinks the music is great it will never be a failure, get it?

The only one who can loose on this is the record company that spent 13 mill