bon jovi vs guns n roses, my arguments why bon jovi are better!!!

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please dont move this to the bon jovi thread, this is kind of a different thing that really has nothing to do with the bon jovi thread

people were bashin bon jovi a tad and i said i could make arguments as to why bon jovi are better than gnr.

now remember gnr, bon jovi, and prince are my co favorite artists of all time, i like them all three equally like children just in different ways.

but someone wanted me to make an argument and i can make arguments as to why gnr are better than bon jovi, i just know that no body will agree with me with my bon jovi bein better and i like defending the underdog, so here is my defense.


in their  hey days  it would probably be a push.

slippery when wet was as big as afd sold nearly as much
new jersey outsold the uyi's individually and bon jovi sold out just as many arenas and stadiums

gnr had one number hit in scom bon jovi has had 4 number ones "you give love a bad name,livin on a prayer,bad medicine,ill be there for you plus more top ten and top 40 hits

jon also has a number one solo song "blaze of glory, axl's solo song "oh my god" didnt do well.

bon jovi were able to patch up the egos and problems and stick together gnr could not
these days bon jovi are still selling out arenas everywhere, every cd sells multi millions worldwide, last time gnr toured they played to half empty arenas whereas bon jovi sold out every show and even sold out a handful of stadiums.

these bands have totally different styles so its hard to argue the musical parts, gnr's music is certainly more complex but its a different style so its hard to compare.  im not gonna penalize jon cause he didnt have a horrible childhood and life.

bon jovi are a strong band but everyone knows that Jon is the man whereas intenal struggles destroyed Guns N Roses and they are no more because unlike Jon, Axl was unable to compromise with his bandmates and do what the band collectively wanted to do, all i know is bon jovi are still going strong, making records, touring and GNR are finished *old gnr*

Jon also had what was becoming a promising acting career but realizing time was running out for the band he put it on the back burner to release as much music as possible before he gets too old.

i love both bands equally but that was my brief case that can be argued.  GNR's music is more complex, more emotional and deeper, axl has more range as a vocalist although jon is the most underrated vocalist and front man in rock history.

jon has the brad pitt syndrome, people cant look past their appearance to give them the credit they deserve.
* indicates number one hits, this is US singles only, i mean bon jovi had like 4 or 5 singles off "these days" but only 3 in the US.
GNR hits                                                     
                             
welcome to the jungle top 40
paradise city top 10
sweet child o mine*
patience top 10
dont cry top 10
november rain  top 10
civil war  not sure
yesterdays not sure
you could be mine top 40
estranged not sure
live and let die not sure
knockin on heavens door not sure
since i dont have you not sure

cant find exact US chart info

i didnt really wanna count cover songs but i did

bon jovi hits
Runaway top 40 hit
livin on a prayer*
you give love a bad name*
wanted dead or alive top ten
lay your hands on me top 40
bad medicine*
born to be my baby  top ten
living in sin     top 1o
ill be there for you*
keep the faith  top 40
bed of roses  top 5
always        top 5
this aint a love song  top 40
its my life  top 40
thank you for loving me  top 40


also jon had  a number 1 hit with blaze of glory


although WTTJ is one of the most famous stadium anthems at ballgames, bon jovi's "its my  life" was chosen as the song that will always be played at the end of superbowls to commemorate the victory as they show the highlights.

bon jovi sparked the MTV unplugged series plus were the only "hair band" to survive the 80's and grunge and still be a formidable band today.


hey give me credit for trying everyone, i was challenged and i said fuck it, lets see how great of a devils advocate i really am! i think i did pretty well!

[Skeletor]

bon jovi were able to patch up the egos and problems and stick together gnr could not
these days bon jovi are still selling out arenas everywhere, every cd sells multi millions worldwide, last time gnr toured they played to half empty arenas whereas bon jovi sold out every show and even sold out a handful of stadiums.

This is totally irrelevant, it has nothing to do with "which band is better". Fuckin' Limp Bizkit sells stadiums, and what does that tell you?

these bands have totally different styles so its hard to argue the musical parts, gnr's music is certainly more complex but its a different style so its hard to compare.?

This, on the other hand is very relevant. And you're saying yourself that there's more to GNR's music. So that's it I guess, we have a winner.

unlike Jon, Axl was unable to compromise

So that's one of the reasons Bon Jovi is better? Hah. Since when has compromising yourself been a good thing? I'm glad Axl isn't a commercial whore like Bongiovi.

[Dave_Rose]

Some very good points there I think the reason why is Bon Jovi are still getting there stuff out there and getting new fans where GN'R has been very quite but things will pick up I hope

[Izzy]

Bon Jovi are okay, they got some great stuff - but their later stuff is well....

They are not even in GNR's league though

They have had more hits? They have sold more albums? So? They are COMMERICIAL they are designed for radio, its inoffensive stuff that's unlikley to alienate anyone and always going to sell. Besides they must have twice the albums GNR have and haven't been dead for 10 years.....

Lyrically, musically and for sheer integrity GNR are considerably better, u may enjoy their music more but there is no criteria that supports a view they are actually better than GNR....

[kj_jive]

Well well well, awesome job mo-ron!  It's clear as day that Bn'J kick Gn'R's ass anyday becuase they've had more hits, the singer had a promising acting career and the band are just best friends forever. Next time just

[Tied-Up]

Bon Jovi started the hair band craze.  Guns N' Roses put an end to that glam shit with their raunch n roll.  GnR is better, Nuff Said.

[Gunner80]

I just can't stand these posers. Why say such garbage on a Gn'R message board? A bands greatness should never be judged on how many albums or top ten hits they had but the quality of the music.

[GNR_Green]

hey give me credit for trying everyone, i was challenged and i said fuck it, lets see how great of a devils advocate i really am! i think i did pretty well!

Ok, I can give you credit for trying, you did try hard it seems.  Please read that argument back to yourself though and think about who is the best band.  To be honest, your argument makes GN'R look the better band!  The only thing you can say against GN'R is that they failed to hold it together, but that doesn't take away from what they actually acheived.  As for sales, sales mean shit.

Bon Jovi are too 'poppy' and the music has nowhere near the rock-credentials that GN'R had.

My verdict: no comparisons.  GN'R are better in every way.

[Mikkamakka]

LOL, some people got to the point to know that D is an anti-GN'R fan! 

Have you read his post? He's a fan of both bands, he's totally in love with their music, and only wanted to talk about GN'R and Bon Jovi with you, cause I'm sure he thinks a lot of which band is better in this, whics is better in that. He had some good points, but I think that GN'R is so much better, their music made some revolution (although even Nirvana changed the music...), they were more a kick-ass band, more bandmembers had very strong charisma and when they were big, they were bigger than BJ has ever been or will be. But Jon is an awesome singer and Ritchie is a very unique guitarist, I like them, but GN'R was the biggest band of the last 20 years. 

[D]

im not saying bon jovi are better, i was challenged to make arguments.

its a challenge, by no means am i sayin bon jovi are better, musically, lyrically GNR are better it was just a challenge.

Aristotle said "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

that is what this is, i made rational arguments, doesnt mean i believe bon jovi are better cause objectively from a musical and lyrical standpoint they probably arent.

but i dont care to throw myself out there to spark some debate!  I do that because i view bon jovi in the class of the GNR's,U2's etc etc but they get absolutely no credit and i think that sucks.

yeah GNR and Nirvana killed hair metal but they neither one killed bon jovi. thats an undisputable fact. Bon Jovi are still popular worldwide, they survived it all.  If they were a shit band, i dont think this would be so.


so instead of calling me a moron how about some facts as to why i am wrong?  ok so i guess i shouldve said bon jovi are a better commercial band, how bout that?

[Tj]

but someone wanted me to make an argument

Yep, this thread is my fault 

I don't mind Bon Jovi. Don't like that Prince dude though...

[Eazy E]

bon jovi were able to patch up the egos and problems and stick together gnr could not
these days bon jovi are still selling out arenas everywhere, every cd sells multi millions worldwide, last time gnr toured they played to half empty arenas whereas bon jovi sold out every show and even sold out a handful of stadiums.

This is totally irrelevant, it has nothing to do with "which band is better". Fuckin' Limp Bizkit sells stadiums, and what does that tell you?

Well it does go to show you that Bon Jovi's music has stood the test of time.  Limp Bizkit doesn't sell out stadiums without the help of METALLICA.  There's not many artists that can consistently sell-out arenas & stadiums for 20 years.  Limp Bizkit?  Please, they couldn't sell shit anymore.

[MadmanDan]

Bon Jovi is a GREAT band,no doubt about it,but come on!!!!!!!! None of your arguments convinced anyone that BJ is better than GNR. I don't even know what "better" means.


Oh,and even though I really like Bon Jovi,I think Slippery when wet is an Appetite for pussies.

[D]

Bon Jovi is a GREAT band,no doubt about it,but come on!!!!!!!! None of your arguments convinced anyone that BJ is better than GNR. I don't even know what "better" means.


Oh,and even though I really like Bon Jovi,I think Slippery when wet is an Appetite for pussies.

that was the whole thing, musically they arent better than GNR which was what made it so hard to debate that.

hasnt anyone here ever took a side in a debate just because no one else did and tried to have fun making any kind of case for them?

sort of like a murder case where u know the defendant is guilty but u gotta make a case for them anyway, that was my approach to this thread, TJ and Matt88 provoked me so i tried my best.

GNR musically,lyrically are more complex and deeper and overall better but it was fun tryin to argue it anyway!


how bout jon looks better at 42 than axl does at 42 any disputes there?

[jgfnsr]

Bon Jovi better than Guns N' Roses??

BLASPHEMY!?

For the love of God, that's like saying Warrant is better than Aerosmith, or Poison is better than Zeppelin.?

Again...

BLASPHEMY!?

[D]

Bon Jovi better than Guns N' Roses? 

BLASPHEMY! 

For the love of God, that's like saying Warrant is better than Aerosmith, or Poison is better than Zeppelin. 

Again...

BLASPHEMY! 

see this is what im talkin about, bon jovi are much closer to GNR than say warrant to aerosmith or poison to zepplin

i get aggravated by the lack of credit Bon Jovi get, its ridiculous how underrated they are. U cant judge a band solely by their hits and most of Bon Jovi's greatest songs are the non singles.

ridiculous comparison.

[kj_jive]

How about facts instead of calling you a moron?

Music isn't about fuckin facts.  Its about common sense.  All it takes its one listen to a Gn'r song vs. "It's my life" to settle the debate.  moron.

[D]

not all GNR songs are better than bon jovi songs

i like most of bon jovi's album non single tracks better than GNR's non singles


Bon Jovi arent epic but they have way more ballads and love songs than GNR and do them better in my opinion with the exception of "estranged"

ill take bed of roses or Always over Dont cry anyday of the week


GNR's music is deeper more emotional, Bon Jovi's music is funner. 

How nice to call someone a moron must be the only insult u can spell junior.

If you wouldve had your mom, a friend, your dog or just whoever read the big words for u in my posts instead of u just skimming over it, u wouldve read where i said that i think musically and lyrically GNR are in fact better but i was challenged to argue what i argued so i obliged TJ and Matt88 and i did the best i could.

read entire posts from now on, its stops u from lookin like a..........

[kj_jive]

GNR's music is deeper more emotional, Bon Jovi's music is funner.?

How nice to call someone a moron must be the only insult u can spell junior.

If you wouldve had your mom, a friend, your dog or just whoever read the big words for u in my posts

Big words like "funner" i suppose.  That is a big word my dog would use. 

Trust me, I read the posts. I didn't skim over them. What I didn't find however, is a compelling argument.  Instead, just facts which help rationalize your perspective.  There's nothing there so just drop it. Sales facts and figures don't mean shit.  And please, don't resort to criticising people's grammar in a message board when I didn't even spell anything wrong.  That is just grasping for straws mon frere.

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i didnt criticize your grammar, i just thought  u failed to see that i said i think GNR are better


everyone knows i love bon jovi and TJ and Matt88 dared/challenged me basically to try and argue that bon jovi are better, so it was just for fun tryin to do the impossible. it was all for fun so u all need to chill!!!!!!!!!!!!