Whining about Tommy touring

[Pandora]

Stinson and Reed sure do have a lot of time for their solo careers. 

And you sure have a lot of time to whine constantly. Is that all you can do? Whine, bitch, complain? I don't know man, have a drink, you'll feel much better.
It's just amazing that you can't create a new thread without someone like you ruining everything. If you're not interested in this topic, just ignore it.

[Mikkamakka]

his employees ?
GN'R is Axl's solo project

"Fuck off."? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?-------Tommy

"To any naysayer out there, I say, 'Fuck off.' I?m totally into it, and I?m definitely happy to be involved with Guns N? Roses."

Dear, I know you are not this rude. You're just having a bad day. Sometimes it happens. 

What's wrong with being an employee? Matt Sorum was an employee in GN'R, Gilby was an employee and Dizzy was an employee during the UYI tours. So what? Since Axl's new guys aren't members like Axl is or Slash, Duff, Izzy and Steven was, they are employees. I'm an employee in my school, too. So what? 

And GN'R is really Axl's solo project since he decides who's in and who's out and what'll happen or won't happen in GN'R's future. The others are paid for their contribution. So what? Ozzy has his solo career, although he doesn't call it Black Sabbath, but Zakk Wylde and the others are his emlployees and Ozzy (or mostly Sharon) decides what'll happen. It doesn't make Zakk & Co. worse or better musicians. What's wrong with that? Zakk @ Co. are surely really involved with Ozzy Osbourne Band, although they make solo records. Ozzy doesn't have too much to do with the music, and sometimes he doesn't even write the lyrics and not cretited for songs on his own album! Ozzy Osbourne Band is a band, but Ozzy is the band if you know what I mean. Guns N' Roses is a band, too (or at least they'll be), although Axl is Guns N' Roses (now). I don't understand why are you so fixed on this 'It's not Axl's band' thing. You can't argue with facts. 

[Nytunz]

GNR is NOT Axl`s solo thing! Tommy has made that clear!
But i guess he is the only one who havent got a sideband......

[Continental Drift]

Listen- I'm as huge a nu-GN'R fan and Axl supporter as there is in the world. Maybe I did just have a bad day yesterday. I've got nothing against Stinson or Reed personally- they're fantastic musicians and real assets to the band. However, I'm fed up with everytime there's "news" in the GN' R community- it's always some pot shot coming from VR, or tour dates for Camp Freddie, Adler's Appetite, Gilby Clarke, Hookers N' Blow or Tommy Stinson, or some list the old band got voted onto... WHERE THE FVCK IS THE NEW BAND?!!??

I don't know- but seeing Stinson hit the road for another tour just about sent me through the roof last night. I'm not angry at Tommy- hell, who can blame him. I'm angry at Axl. I think even the most die hard Axl Rose fans (which I consider myself to be) have a right to be. That Loder interview after OMG is more than 5 YEARS OLD and still NO CD- and now all evidence is that he's pretty much told the band not to worry about GN'R anytime soon. What are we supposed to do? Throw Axl an f'n parade? Go around stapling Chinese Democracy Starts Now Motherfvcker fliers all over town... The fact is- the monstrous GN'R fan machine that was around in '93 has been gradually whittled down to us couple thousand Axl Rose fanatics- and he uses us like a $10 whore on the sunset strip.

[Tied-Up]

I don't know- but seeing Stinson hit the road for another tour just about sent me through the roof last night. I'm not angry at Tommy- hell, who can blame him. I'm angry at Axl. I think even the most die hard Axl Rose fans (which I consider myself to be) have a right to be. That Loder interview after OMG is more than 5 YEARS OLD and still NO CD- and now all evidence is that he's pretty much told the band not to worry about GN'R anytime soon. What are we supposed to do? Throw Axl an f'n parade? Go around stapling Chinese Democracy Starts Now Motherfvcker fliers all over town... The fact is- the monstrous GN'R fan machine that was around in '93 has been gradually whittled down to us couple thousand Axl Rose fanatics- and he uses us like a $10 whore on the sunset strip.

Speak for yourself, please!  Axl doens't use me.  I'm also not sitting around waiting for the album to come out either.  I'm a huge Gn'R fan, and an even more dedicated Axl fan, but, I'm not sitting around waiting for Chinese Democracy (or any other album for that matter).  If it never gets released, I can live with that. 

To Quote Axl himself:

I gave into a lot of pressure on Illusions both internally in Guns and externally in the press, those albums suffered as a consequence, it's not something I'm too excited to have to live with again. There are a lot of new songs that were just done in the last year that we feel that ?okay, well that bumps a lot of stuff off the previous list but it's time to stop that now and wrap up the baby. It feels right, the timing, and a lot of things. We've sorted it down to what songs are on the record. What the sequence of the songs is. The album cover art is ready. Blah, blah, blah. If you're waiting... don't. Live your life. That's your responsibility, not mine. If it were not to happen you won't have missed a thing. If in fact it does, you might get something that works for you, in the end you could win on this either way. But if you're really into waiting try holding your breath for Jesus cause I hear the payoff may be that much greater.

I'm not waiting for Jesus either.
 

[mikegiuliana]

GNR is NOT Axl`s solo thing! Tommy has made that clear!
But i guess he is the only one who havent got a sideband......

I guess when they finally tour it will be a band..

I just want to know why axl is the ONLY person that could give an explanation of any truth about anything.. Not one guy outside of him can give you one piece of evidence that they know anything about any upcoming things we as fans are waiting for..

I think a band who is yet to make their bebut album available shoud be making sure the album is 100 percent done before they are out doing stuff for themselves.. They want to show you they are the real deal and that gnr is coming back, but every piece of info seems to show that they are all apart and everyone is clueless about anything involving the band..

Buckethead was responsible for so many things and they couldn't release the album because he hindered their progress, yet axl said this would take recording to a new level and these guys have been touring so soon after he announced the rio 4 statement.. Now if there was so much more to do then why did dizzy get to tour, why did brain team up with an ex new gunner, why did tommy have time for an album and how many months now of touring?

Now if this seems like a tight nit group of players then I'd hate to see a band apart.. I'm not saying this to be mean, I'm just saying how it appears ,how it makes me feel to see these guys doing so much outside of gnr when they seem to blame others for everything taking so long.. They have all teh free time in the world, but they still don't have ONE album..

DOn't say you don't care because new gnr is nothing without any material.. 5 boots is less then one song per year of how long they've been together..

[norway]

Tommy says he's done with his parts, now if only axl gets his finger out...

[Pandora]

The fact is- the monstrous GN'R fan machine that was around in '93 has been gradually whittled down to us couple thousand Axl Rose fanatics- and he uses us like a $10 whore on the sunset strip.

He uses us? Sorry I don't feel like I'm being used. Did he tie you up to a chair and tell you "wait for me, don't do anything with your life until I come back and above all don't ever listen to the hundreds of bands that make records every year?".
No he didn't. If your whole life revolves around the release of one album then it's your problem I guess. When you're really sick of waiting you can leave the board. Axl probably won't care and rightfully so.

[jabba2]

If Axl isnt happy with Chinese Democracy he should scrap the songs, and start writing all of the music himself. Instead of relying on BH, Stinson, Dizzy, Fortus to write for the band.

Then have someone help with writing lyrics around the music he created. This is an Axl solo project. Everyone will be more interested in the music thats created-not so much Axl's lyrics. Im not sure Axl knows what to talk about over BH and Fortus, and Stinsons unusual music. Hes good on the piano so he must have some decent writing ability?

Axl will get the respect he feels CD deserves if hes writing all music and melodies.

[younggunner]

I guess when they finally tour it will be a band..

Yea I know because in order to be a band you have to tour.

Your lame checklist of what a band is or isnt is getting boring

I think a band who is yet to make their bebut album available shoud be making sure the album is 100 percent done before they are out doing stuff for themselves..

for the friggen millionth time....

THE MEMBERS OF GNR HAVE COMPLETED THIER WORK ON THE ALBUM. THEY AR ENOT NEEDED. 1 more time, THEY ARE NOT NEEDED. Meaning they are FREE ?to do whatevr the hell they want until AXL FINISHES HIS WORK ON THE ALBUM OR DOES WHATEVER HE HAS TO DO WITH THE LABEL OR WITH YODA OR WHOEVER. ANd when AXL RINGS THE BELL AND SAYSD LETS GO BOYS, the members will be there ready to FINALLY play thier own material and tour the land.

I know you wnat thi sband to be the perfect band and come from the gutter and eat dinner togetehr and go to church togetehr...but i hate to break it to you...its not the case. So if you cant get over it, move on. Just move on. We all know you want to just hear the material. Guess what so do I and so do we. Either wait or leave. Its quite simple. Many have gien up and left. Theyll be back. So can you. Or just stay and watch the soap opera unfold.

When they hit the top all the hardache and frusterations will be thta much sweeter...

[jabba2]

When they hit the top all the hardache and frusterations will be thta much sweeter...

Are you sure BH, Dizzy, Fortus and Stinsons music can take GNR to the top? I dont think Axl is convinced their the right band anymore.

[younggunner]

Are you sure BH, Dizzy, Fortus and Stinsons music can take GNR to the top? I dont think Axl is convinced their the right band anymore.

They absolutely can...

why would you think Axl isnt convinced?

[marknroses]

Im in the party of the unhappy GNR fan who doesn't really care about the solo careers of the GNR members (except that of Axl's).
Im happy that Axl hasn't held them hostage and that he's allowing them to live their lives after locking them up in a studio for 5-6 years (1997-2002). But it has been 2 years since (2003 & 2004) and there's no signs that anything is happening.
I live through the memory of the old GNR, and these days im rarely posting messages because there's very little going on. I don't take anything seriously anymore from nu-GNR until a tour/appearance/album from them proves me otherwise.

Meantime, Im still loving that VR record. SuckertrainBlues kicks fucking ass!!!!

MNR

[ppbebe]

I know Tommy is convinced they're the right band more than ever. So go figure.

  Let me excerpt some more from Tommy (Thanx Pandora n Jarmo) with regard to a damn right band

Q: What do you feel about the fact that this is an entirely revamped thing? Guns I mean.

"That's actually the reason I joined. I talked to Axl aboutwhat he wanted to do with this thing. It's never been done before, where the singer keeps the name while the other guys fucking quit. Just knowing what his goals were for the whole thing that I thought 'This is probably the ballsiest guy I've ever fucking played with, so I'm in."

Q: How much can you talk about what?s going on with Guns N? Roses?

"Because I?ve been working on my record, I?m kind of out of the loop at the moment (August). I can tell you that when Chinese Democracy comes out?and it will come out because it?s almost done now (August)?we?ll be touring behind it, and I?ll be fucking first in line to get back on board. It?s a good gig. I love Axl, and we have a really good thing going. Whether or not people buy it is the fucking $60 million question, but all I know is that we?re all proud of it and had a good time doing it?and also some troubling times doing it?but it was fun as shit. People always feel compelled to say to me, ?Dude, are you stoked to get a paycheck?? If it were about that, I?d be an asshole. It?s never been about just getting a paycheck. I put a lot of work and heart and soul into it just like everyone else and got a great deal out of it. Axl has been more than supportive of me making [Village Gorilla Head]. To any naysayer out there, I say, 'Fuck off.' I?m totally into it, and I?m definitely happy to be involved with Guns N? Roses."

Q: I think naysayers are just befuddled that you?re in Guns N? Roses. I think they?re baffled at the combination and how it came about.

"That?s cool. I?ve come across a lot of people who give me, 'Dude, what are you thinking?' Then I have to explain it. At this point, I?m kind of sick of explaining it and just feel like going, 'Fuck off.' [Laughs] These are my people, I have a fucking great time with them."

Q: Who?s easier to work with, Paul or Axl?

"Axl, by a long shot. I?ll tell you why, and I can explain this really well, actually. Paul liked to do it his way. He would hear things a certain way in his head but couldn?t tell you how it was going to happen. It would get kind of frustrating. He would have a vision and would fucking beat it to death trying to get there. With Axl, he doesn?t really have his own vision. He likes to take everyone?s two cents and throw it into the soup, get everyone involved and kind of mold it that way. Axl could really take production credit on this record because he took the best of each of us on each song and crammed it together and made it a musical piece. I can?t tell you how much I learned about collaborating with people while making the record, where Paul just kind of does it his way".

Q: It?s interesting that you say that about Axl and his vision, because I would think most people would perceive the exact opposite?that he?s got this strong vision and he?s the dictator and this is how it?s got to be.

"Paul would be way more of a dictator than Axl. Axl is more of a collaborator, maybe even to a fault sometimes. He wants everyone involved. Part of that may have come from the old band, where everyone wanted him to sing their songs but didn?t want to play the other guys? songs. It would be like, 'I?m not going to sing on your song unless you play on his song,' and then it becomes infighting and that kind of shit. That doesn?t really keep a band together. On the new record, everyone?s got a bit in there, their part of a song. It lends itself to us feeling a part of the whole record."

Damned if such a work is called solo.That?s a friggin band effort with Axl as a producer. 
You can't argue with that.

[jabba2]

They absolutely can...

why would you think Axl isnt convinced?

Because Axl's had the music for a few years and hasnt done much anything with it.

[February]

Just my two cents, but why are so sure that it's Axl fault/decision the fact that CD isn't out?
I believe the record company has a important role in it.
Remenber that he said in some interview that they didn't get that much help from de Record comp? At the time I was surprised, for what i've heard they invested milions, well if they did i weren't they doing everything possible for that "thing" see the light of day?

This tours from D and T, are a great way of indirect promotion (they only get interviewd because people want to ask about CD), and not allowing the fans base to forget the project, good or bad it will be on forums gossip colums media .....I see this as a form of preassure from the band on not letting go way, because de record company may not be that interested, LE and GH i'm sure where great financial gain with litle investment. I've got lots os friends that bought LE and GH but will not buy ?CD if it's that diferent from what they consider GNR to be.

If that shows on the estatistical revenues of Geffen, they may not be that interested on investing a boundle on something that could very weel flop comercial (their decisions are not taken on how good and inovating ?music is, not any more, but on profit previsions).

So ?i'm glad the menbers are touring with their personal projects, I've got to Know them a lot better and their music, Tommy's a great musician and song writer, we have something to talk about (other than Axl girlfirend ou plastic surgery), and the record company wont put GNR on their buget for 2030 because the fan base can suport the investmt.


February

P.s. My english suck and i spent 3 hours wrinting this, CD may be out for what I know, if it's the case please ignore this post

[ppbebe]

You said it February! Great insight. See, good work always takes time but worth it.

Since Axl's new guys aren't members like Axl is or Slash, Duff, Izzy and Steven was, they are employees. I'm an employee in my school, too. So what??
And GN'R is really Axl's solo project since he decides who's in and who's out and what'll happen or won't happen in GN'R's future.

So you can?t decide whether you?re out or in?
Do your pupils and their parents point at you and call you "school so-so?s employee" instead of "Mr."?
Is that the way you treat people with respect at the minimum?
I don?t think so.

Axl doesn?t decide who's out in most cases. They themselves decided to leave. Apparently he hates people leaving him. Heaven knows what'll happen or won't happen in GN'R's future.
Besides, not being an old GNR-history hand I think Izzy and Axl met Slash, Duff n Steven through ads or something.

BTW how do you know who is paying whom for a fact?

I don't understand why are you so fixed on this 'It's not Axl's band' thing. You can't argue with facts.?

What I don?t understand is why you?re so fixed on this "they?re Axl?s employees and this is Axl?s solo project" thing.
Like you hate to accept this band.

Open your eyes. Lay your Ghost.

[ShotgunBlues1978]

According to Stinson and Reed the album is in post production stages and the music is basically done.  What's left is vocals, layering, production, mixing, mastering and so forth.  They don't need to be around for that stuff, because it's not their job so they're out doing their own thing.  If what they say is true, there's no reason for them to be sitting around doing nothing and waiting for Axl to call them to the studio because their work for the album is finished.

[norway]

words say that everything is done, mix, vocals and then the tommy interview where he says cd is been handed over for mastering (awhile back, even rumored who did it), the mastering is usually the last thing done soundwise

[Continental Drift]

Given a choice... I'd rather Tommy stay in LA, help Axl pick a lead guitarist and begin band rehearsals for the "imminent world tour" we've been hearing about. But that's just me I guess...

Unless of course, the completion of the album and start of the world tour is so far off that any of the above is unnecessary at this point... which I believe is the situation we are in. So, of course, Tommy has every right to tour. Good for him. ?