aunt ger and those letters of support?

[Aunt Ger]

how do they have credibility?

To be honest, I don't know.? I haven't been around here all that long, but I see how other people, who have been around, judge these people.? They are generally regarded as trustworthy.? So I take them at their word.? What harm is there in that?? Its not like I'm going to go buy stock in Geffen or something based on what they say.? Like Jarmo said, until there is some official word, just stay calm.? Until then, there is no harm in getting some idea of what might be going on from a couple people who seem to know.? If it upsets you, don't read it.

If u are wrong?? well fuckin cocksuckin piece of shit axl rose is fuckin his fans over and didnt come through. this gives him the ability to sooner or later get it right and then everyone on the board will shower him with love and attention cause he's an insider.

When have aunt ger or mysteron ever done this?? If other people act that way, don't hold them responsible.?

? I cant believe im the only one who asks questions, how can u all just believe without askin any questions?

Because there is no danger in having a little faith in them.? We aren't talking about major world? changing stuff here, in the end, we are talking about one album from one band.? If I take these 2 people at their word, on a message board on the internet, and somehow someday find out they were not who they said they were, oh well.? What's the big deal?

? I need not prove who I am but if any of you are still in doubt, check out this website:
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~kobie/johann/aqwg05.htm#146


Scroll down to Patricia , that is my sister, Dizzy's mom. I'm there too, Gerry Lynn

[Aunt Ger]

I don't really care about VR, or how they are doing, but I do like Slither.

[mikegiuliana]

I don't really care about VR, or how they are doing, but I do like Slither.

Rarh.. Ok, just had to ask.. I asked because I figured you might have met the guys..

[D]

I never said Axl was an asshole, but i read an interview with somebody *someone help me out* where they said Axl is a great guy and will do anything in the world for u but once u fuck him over u are pretty much dead to him.  I cant remember exactly who said that but i know i read it in an article on this board.

I never said Axl was an asshole or callous, but u dont think if someone blew the lid off what he has cooked up and kept quiet over 10 years that wouldnt majorly piss him off?

If a bandmember told someone and let the cat out of the bag i guarantee axl would be furious.

U hit the nail on the head SterlingDog, u havent been here that long but trust me not one thing has ever came to pass by anyone. You can believe and have faith all you want, im not stopping anyone, but it drives me crazy how people dont question anything and just take what these people say as truth without giving a second thought.

main point is nothing has ever come true, 2nd their "predictions" arent special, anyone can make those predictions based on Tommy and Dizzy's interviews coupled with Vh1's behind the music statement.

The reason people give credibility is cause aunt ger is kin to Dizzy and Mysteron got responses from GNR management which was amazing until some random poster on here emailed and got the exact same email

do u people think he calls GNR's management and chats? that he stops by the office for  a cup of coffee and a sit down?

GNR management could POSSIBLY announce a release date in November.  possibly is a huge word, it allows room for error. If the record label is that unsure we wont get a release date in NOV. if they were gonna give one they would be confident, they wouldnt say possibly.

I mean fuck i could possibly one day turn into a shopping bag lady that collects cans and talks to buildings, i could possibly join a cult, shave my head and clean floors with a toothbrush while singing church hymns.

its bullshit, u take dizzy and tommy's interviews a little "credibility" and u get free passes to predict CHinese Democracy with no recourse.

hell i can do that.


I was at the record label trying to get signed to a demo deal yesterday and i overheard some A and R guys saying how Axl wants to release this cd by Spring. its possible but not definite


if spring comes and it doesnt happen, oh well more delays, if it happens i look brilliant like i know something.  i give the benefit of the doubt a couple times but come on this gets ridiculous.


IF Raoxsle  had went about things in a different way, he would still be considered an insider, only problem is he got way to far in over his head and got proved wrong, had he kept making subtle predictions and didnt get too carried away, people would still be kissing his ass on this board.

[Aunt Ger]

D........what I was referring to, was the fact that you believe an article where someone is saying things about Axl, note your first paragraph. You actually believe he is that type of person, and just who has f**ked him over? Adler? Matt? Duff? Gilby? Slash? I'm sure they've all had their differences  I really don't think there is a special date set for release of CD. It will happen when Axl decides. Quite a few people, including Dizzy have made predictions, only for it not to happen, yet Dizzy is still with Axl, isn't he?

[D]

he made predictions but if he knew for absolute sure and gave out like song titles and told what happened in philly etc etc

did u hear tommy in that one interview basically saying he can only say so much without getting into trouble.

its no coincidence that even members who have left havent said a word about Chinese Democracy, id love to see the agreement they signed.

[badapple81]

I think now, I'm really at the stage where I just enjoy the GN'R CDs and DVDs I have, and of course VR.. and if CD comes out.. it comes out oneday and that'll be a bonus. I always hold out some hope for Axl.. but I don't check out the release date threads at all anymore or get excited about possible dates. Each time it looks like it may come, one of the members books in a series of solo dates, or Mysteron etc. announces that management say it's all false. As Jarmo said, until Axl says something, we shoudn't get too excited. Although I do think when Axl announces something, it will be the real deal, I don't think , after all the hope after Vegas and the 2002 dates, that he would do a tour for the album and promote it, then pull it again.

[Aunt Ger]

I agree!!

[Skeletor]

and if CD comes out.. it comes out oneday and that'll be a bonus. I always hold out some hope for Axl.. but I don't check out the release date threads at all anymore or get excited about possible dates.

Same here, I think this is a pretty healthy attitude.

[ppbebe]

I never said Axl was an asshole, but i read an interview with somebody *someone help me out* where they said Axl is a great guy and will do anything in the world for u but once u fuck him over u are pretty much dead to him.? I cant remember exactly who said that but i know i read it in an article on this board.

D........what I was referring to, was the fact that you believe an article where someone is saying things about Axl, note your first paragraph. You actually believe he is that type of person, and just who has f**ked him over? Adler? Matt? Duff? Gilby? Slash? I'm sure they've all had their differences.

  These ones?

I don?t know if these article have something to do with the topic, moreover if you have something to do with these people anymore, but sadly, I?m not lazy.
If it opens your eyes, this is better than a good compromise.

The Interview In question
"If there was a lot of money on the table for the original GN'R to get back together I would totally back it," he explains. "Axl has been nothing but good for me and good to me. If that was what he wanted to do and needed to do then I would totally back him. Having said that I can't see it happening," Stinson muses. "He [Axl] is your best friend until you break the chain and then he doesn't want to know you. There are no half measures; you are either with him or against him." Tommy @Kerrang! August 07 2004 Issues 1017
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/news/shownews.php?newsid=1118

Reference
 When Velvet Revolver's song "Slither" came on.......... Overall he was very complimentary to his old cohorts.
When talking about his former band mates, Dizzy doesn't bear any animosity.? He's happy they're getting out there and playing again.? I think he's actually very anxious for the time when he can get back on the road with Guns N' Roses himself and finally reveal this new album with the world.? But in a somewhat cryptic tone, he adds a final thought about the old Gunners, "I'm going to share with you the best piece of advice I've ever gotten from anyone in the music industry: Never burn your bridges." Dizzy Reed 6/3/2004 @RockJournal.com

http://rockjournal.com/hbstory.html
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/news/shownews.php?newsid=1115

I think to break the chain is similar to burn the bridge, that is, in this case, to break up the friendship ruthlessly. Correct me if I?m wrong. Also I hear many episodes how too indulgent he is with his mates. Under Given conditions, I?d figure that this guy hardly gets cross with you really until you once leave him. As to Aunt Ger, whether she did boob or not (), she has been always in support of him. Am I right?

If I were 100 percent convinced that Tommy and Dizzy had absolutely no idea about their Album, I would take their descriptions of Axl with a grain of salt as well. Since I don?t go to see Guns N' Roses to see only one person, I wouldn?t. That said I consider them as their understandings and their versions of Axl?s personality, which could be different from others or his own view.

I don't accept anything as indisputable truth unless I see it myself, or else, sometimes I don?t even believe what I see like fully 100 percent. Self-deception is a bitch.

One more Reference
"Wow. I would say his strengths are definitely his heart and his loyalties. He's incredibly loyal and totally has your back if you're straight with him and are loyal back. Which is why him and I have gotten along so well. I'm the same sort of person. I don't fuck around or waste my time with people who waste my time, and I don't really take up people's time if they don't want it. I would say those are his strengths."Tommy
   ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? http://www.bravewords.com/news.html?id=17612? ?
Get the record straight.

[Eva GnRAxlRosette]

great quotes ppbebe
 

at the albany 02 show Axl referred to himself as "pretty blunt"...
he is a straightshooter
when it comes to relationships
there is nothing wishy washy about Axl
he does not fence straddle...
this corroborates somewhat others' descriptions of Axl which were referenced in this thread
and I don't see it as a bad trait or personality flaw

i remember him saying on more than one occasion how it would not be healty for him to have contact with certain people... i believe he said this in reference to Izzy at one time...
and I think he said something similar about certain relatives of his...
and I'd assume that he feels this way about Slash, Duff, and Matt as well - remember his comments in the gnronline statement in Aug 02:

I do not believe in any true effort or potential regarding most of my past relationship from the other party or parties, creatively or emotionally. Without that the money from a reunion doesn't mean much and though I'm sure the alumni is up for it for me it would be as or more lacking than it was during our attempts to work together previously. As a friend and former friend of Slash said to me in regards to working with Slash, "you can only do so many pull ups." This is my shot and you can root for me to fail all you want, but there is simply way too much put into this to cater to someone else's selfish needs and destroy peoples dreams I truly care about including my own. Not too mention that though I've fought what feels like the heart of the nature of this entire industry, my own people would probably eat me alive if I opted for a lesser course. 3) Slash has lied about nearly everything and anything to nearly everyone and anyone. It's who he is. It's what he does. Duff's support for the man though understandable in one sense in regard to his circumstances, is inexcusable, and furthers my distance from the two of them. For me Matt doesn't figure into the equation and for as much as I was a friend to him he was incapable of reciprocating and life is much better without such an obvious albatross. Don't get me wrong, I'm not taking anything away from the alumni in regard to their prior performances on record or touring to support the albums. I know how I was treated and more importantly I know how they treated others during both of these things, it's not a way anyone should be forced or even asked to work. And for the record I'm referring to Slash and Matt in regards to their actions and behavior, Duff played more of a supporting role (for reasons I've never understood). For the fans to attempt to condemn me to relationships even only professional with any of these men is a prison sentence and something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. I'd say my parole is nearly over. I'm practically a free man and if you don't like it you'll have plenty of time to get used to the idea."

nothing wrong with doing what's best for yourself and avoiding contact with people who only reek havoc in your life

[D]

i could be misreading what u wrote so i wont go to hard on u.

u said get the record straight?


u just proved my point in your post of quotes.

did u read your post or just copy and paste it?


tommy said about axl in your post

He [Axl] is your best friend until you break the chain and then he doesn't want to know you. There are no half measures; you are either with him or against him."

what do u think this means?

If Dizzy reed betray the circle of trust and spilled the beans and Axl's plans were leaked out to the media u dont think that would be considered breaking the chain?  this is why no one leaks anything and is why Dizzy wouldnt tell aunt ger whats goin on for her to post on this or any message board.

so my facts are straight but i cant help the gullable. so everyone believe what u want to believe i realize sometimes people dont like hearing what they dont want to hear.  there are no insiders people, i cant beileve im the only one who believes this way, maybe others do but just dont wanna stick their neck out and face the criticism but i dont mind criticism.

[Eva GnRAxlRosette]

its simple

is Ger an "insider"?
well, she is Dizzy's aunt and a it seems she is very close to him.
Does that mean she has inside/secret info about GN'R?
she certainly does know things about Dizzy that we don't know....
and its likely that she knows or has heard things about other members of GN'R that we don't
so yes she is an insider in this sense
but she is not an informant... she hasn't spilt any beans or disrespected Dizzy or any of the other band members like that
She has said so many times that she is a fan - just like us!

Is there such a thing as an insider?
I'm sure there are people "on the inside" to various extents
Mystereon is an "isider" to the extent that he apparently has verified to Jarmo that he has contact with GN'R Management
It is also apparent that the info he shares with us is limited to what Managment relates to him... and they do so knowing full well that he will do just that (tell us about it)... he is not spilling any beans or betraying anyone's trust

so I don't think any fan should have a problem with either of these posters

[mikegiuliana]

I don't mind if someone gets emails ,and jarmo verifys them by seeing the letterhead ,I just hate the admin and so called insiders that claim to talk to the management on the phone and give stuf as fact.. It's not about wether it's true or not, it's the fact that no one can see if it's true..

As for this album, it's been mentioned by axl since 1999 tpo kurt loder, and it's almost 2005.. You do the math..

[Aunt Ger]

its simple

is Ger an "insider"?
well, she is Dizzy's aunt and a it seems she is very close to him.
Does that mean she has inside/secret info about GN'R?
she certainly does know things about Dizzy that we don't know....
and its likely that she knows or has heard things about other members of GN'R that we don't
so yes she is an insider in this sense
but she is not an informant... she hasn't spilt any beans or disrespected Dizzy or any of the other band members like that
She has said so many times that she is a fan - just like us!

Is there such a thing as an insider?
I'm sure there are people "on the inside" to various extents
Mystereon is an "isider" to the extent that he apparently has verified to Jarmo that he has contact with GN'R Management
It is also apparent that the info he shares with us is limited to what Managment relates to him... and they do so knowing full well that he will do just that (tell us about it)... he is not spilling any beans or betraying anyone's trust

so I don't think any fan should have a problem with either of these posters

People.......believe me......I don't hear things about GN'R from Dizzy that you don't already know yourself. I have no secrets, nor does Dizzy tell me anything he shouldn't. Seriously I'd love to know the stories but I merely don't ask him. Some of you don't believe that, and say what kind of an aunt am I, not to ask him. I've told you before, when we are together, we don't talk shop. We talk about family matters. Throughout the years I've asked him what is Axl like to hang out with. His reply was, "He's the most talented, intelligent person he has ever met." They have a great friendship, which now days is hard to find, with all the backstabbing that goes on in the rock industry. When I talked to Axl briefly on two occasions, I found him to be a very sweet guy. Not at all having issues or and attitude like people make him out to have. To me that is pure hype! So think what you will, but if I did indeed know anything, which I don't, would you actually believe Dizzy would tell me just because I'm his aunt?? I think not! He would not betray the trust in his friendship with Mr. Rose to pacify his aunt.

[Eva GnRAxlRosette]

okay.. I'll do the math - I like math 

Nov 2004 (its not 2005 yet) minus Nov 1999 equals 5 years
5 yrs ago Axl spoke about an album to Kurt Loder

He has referenced it on several occasions since also...

HOB 01-01-10 (introducing Chinese Democracy):  "...its the title track of the album, which, god willing we will finish"

gnronline statement Aug 02:  "I gave into a lot of pressure on Illusions both internally in Guns and externally in the press, those albums suffered as a consequence, it's not something I'm too excited to have to live with again. There are a lot of new songs that were just done in the last year that we feel that 'okay, well that bumps a lot of stuff off the previous list but it's time to stop that now and wrap up the baby. It feels right, the timing, and a lot of things. We've sorted it down to what songs are on the record. What the sequence of the songs is. The album cover art is ready. Blah, blah, blah. If you're waiting...don't. Live your life. That's your responsibility not mine. If it were not to happen you won't have missed a thing. If in fact it does you might get something that works for you, in the end you could win on this either way. But if you're really into waiting try holding your breath for Jesus cause I hear the payoff may be that much greater."

and then backstage at the 2002 VMAs: 

Kurt: What's gonna happen now? Is Chinese Democracy going to come out? Are we gonna see it soon?

Axl: Umm you'll see it, I dont know if soon is the word. But it will come out and we will, we'll go back, we'll do some more recording and then we'll start the American leg of the tour... And see how it goes from there.

Kurt: This has taken a long time.

Axl: Yeah, but it's also how do you rebuild something that got so big and replace virtually every person on the crew, every single thing. And how do you make a whole bunch of guys that are something else into something that already was...

Then in March of 2003:  ""On behalf of Guns N' Roses and myself I apologize to the fans who planned to
see us at Rock In Rio - Lisbon....  In the meantime rather than dwelling on the negative, Guns will be moving forward... we hope to announce a release date within the next few months."

so, how's my math? 

[D]

see she admitted she isnt and a random poster on this board got an identical email from GNR management that he did so maybe he just emails them and gets lucky or maybe he has a pal there but mypoint is an insider knows information

getting? a response from management about a bullshit rumor doesnt qualify.


Im not sure if im reading MIke right but the way I take his statement is, if u give someone unlimited chances to predict the release date, they are bound to get it right eventually, a true insider would get it right the first time not only get emails when a  rumor is bullshit.

so point still stands that there are no "insiders" that are gonna come on the board and give us the news we have been waiting for.

I dont want any misunderstandings, I have nothing against either aunt ger or mysteron, they dont do or never have done anything to lead us on or to disappoint us, its the posters on here that put them on a high pedestal because they think news will be broke by them and its not gonna happen.

Axl didnt come this far for someone to steal his thunder, i can promise u that. His iron clad gag order has lasted this long, trust me, no one is gonna leak anything.

[estranged.1098]

so point still stands that there are no "insiders" that are gonna come on the board and give us the news we have been waiting for.

I don't think anyone here honestly believes that. When a date is set for CD we'll hear it from the band officially first.

[Eva GnRAxlRosette]

People.......believe me......I don't hear things about GN'R from Dizzy that you don't already know yourself. I have no secrets, nor does Dizzy tell me anything he shouldn't. Seriously I'd love to know the stories but I merely don't ask him. Some of you don't believe that, and say what kind of an aunt am I, not to ask him. I've told you before, when we are together, we don't talk shop. We talk about family matters. Throughout the years I've asked him what is Axl like to hang out with. His reply was, "He's the most talented, intelligent person he has ever met." They have a great friendship, which now days is hard to find, with all the backstabbing that goes on in the rock industry. When I talked to Axl briefly on two occasions, I found him to be a very sweet guy. Not at all having issues or and attitude like people make him out to have. To me that is pure hype! So think what you will, but if I did indeed know anything, which I don't, would you actually believe Dizzy would tell me just because I'm his aunt?? I think not! He would not betray the trust in his friendship with Mr. Rose to pacify his aunt.

I understand that Aunt Ger. 
When I say you know or have heard of things about GN'R I only mean things like you just said...
for example that Dizzy has personally told you  that Axl is the most talented, intellingent person he has ever met.
And like how you having spoken briefly to Axl on two occasions found him to be a very sweet guy... not at all like people make him out to be

There aren't many of us fans who have had these kind of wonderful experiences or first hand knowledge of Dizzy or Axl.
And its very cool that you share these things with us.  You are a true fan and that makes you a great message board poster to have amongst us. 

[Aunt Ger]

Thank you Eva