duff claims VR is more talented than gnr

[MsDuffMckagan]

This has gotten out of hand....love you who love...hate who you hate! I mean Duffs opinion doesnt have to effect yours, but that doesn't mean our opinion should effect his, nor should we call him wrong, or him call us wrong....

Cant we all just get along lol
Erin

I think Duff is wrong but well he is in titled to his opinion? just as I am to mine ,so it's all good.

hehe see there, you get it! lol 

And LionGoddess...isn't Erin just an awesome name haha...now if you middle name is Lea then Im gonna be freaked out haha...

Erin

[D]

last night before i went to bed i watched the "fall to pieces" video.

i was so moved, i was thinkin, this is so great, nothin could top this right now

I do love Velvet Revolver and maybe ive been over critical at times because i do love Scott Weiland and Slash's solos are very good.

Immediately after watchin that, i watched the VMA 2002 performance.


HOLY FUCKIN SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

now at times axl was off a tad but damn when he was on he was the greatest thing ever!? People who trash his voice are crazy!? the wttj opening scream, his wails during Madagascar and the high screams durin PC were just amazing.

when buckethead and company kick it in at the end of PC, old band, new band that was some of the greatest display of musicianship ive ever heard in my? life, right before the "i wanna go section* when bucket is finger tappin*? i was blown away! and ive seen this 50 times.

Madagascar after all this time still really moves me, especially the music, the guitar licks right before axl starts his first scream and right after before the verse starts, fuckin unbelievable!

So Duff is right, VR are great and are easily the best band out at the moment outside of the RHCP's of course, but GNR just are on a whole nother level even when they arent at their best and to me it isnt even close.

yes im an axl mark but i cant deny just how the VMA performance made me feel, i was in awe 2 years later!

[younggunner]

D, I couldnt agree with you more. I watch teh Vmas every now and then, and it blows me away. Evne though Axl wasnt at his ultimate best he and the band flat out rocked. You can feel the enegy and power from that performance.
The opening to Jungle is amazing...Maddy is all around perfect. I think that version of MAddy stands right next to the Rio version. And PC the band flat out shines. They played the fuck out of that song. Its scary. The best part was when RObin and Bucket meet at the front and just jam away and then RObin leans into him before he leaves. I love that part....and ROund 1 is always cool as well....

Its gets a bad wrap but overall it was a great performance....

[MadmanDan]

VR on the other hand could potentially release a new album every year, they're not short on creativity or the desire to get out there and play.

VR can deliver many albums,so what???  If their debut album is good,but has nothing special on it,what makes you think that in the future they can do better?

I'd rather have a Chinese Democracy once every 12 years than one Contraband every year.Assuming,of course,that CD is as good as it seems to be

[mikegiuliana]

VR on the other hand could potentially release a new album every year, they're not short on creativity or the desire to get out there and play.

VR can deliver many albums,so what? If their debut album is good,but has nothing special on it,what makes you think that in the future they can do better?

I'd rather have a Chinese Democracy once every 12 years than one Contraband every year.Assuming,of course,that CD is as good as it seems to be

Saying it has nothing special is just a opinion, now both slither n fall to pieces have become number one on the mainstream rock charts, they booted linkin park off, they knocked usher off in america when contraband was released.. I wouldn't say they haven't released anything special..

It's not for everyone, but to say something like you'd rather have a cd every 12 years over a cb every year is foolish, I want music, I don't want to sit around wondering.. You can put what ifs in the cd player..


D, nice statement, I loved the vmas... I sometimes watch it, but not as much, I get depressed and think of all the things that might have happened..

[younggunner]

I get depressed and think of all the things that might have happened..

What was supposed to happen? You keep bringing this up. I suggest next time you watch the VMAs, let the tape run and listen to the Axl interview again. Most of your questions will be answered...

[Mikkamakka]

I get depressed and think of all the things that might have happened..

What was supposed to happen? You keep bringing this up. I suggest next time you watch the VMAs, let the tape run and listen to the Axl interview again. Most of your questions will be answered...

Axl had (and still has a masterplan): not to release CD until he's alive. Don't fool yourself that Axl didn't want to release CD in late 2002-early 2003. He surely wanted but something (or some things) happened, otherwise he's crazy.

[younggunner]

Don't fool yourself that Axl didn't want to release CD in late 2002-early 2003.

HE didnt...
He said after they do the north american leg they would go back and do some more RECORDING. That tour was supposed to end early January. If GnR were to release an album then it would probably have been in the summer or the fall of 2003.

[younggunner]

He still said recording. Meaning it wasnt nearly finished....

[killingvector]

obviously the album wasn't done and wasn't in the shoot so to speak. The tour was a chance to get the band some experience together in front of a crowd and lay the groundwork for some publicity. However, the cancellation coupled with buckethead's departure has pushed the project's target date back, perhaps 15 months. I think we were all mistaken when we thought the 2002 was a spark for what was to come.

[PhillyRiot]

I'd rather have a Chinese Democracy once every 12 years than one Contraband every year.Assuming,of course,that CD is as good as it seems to be

MADMANDAN - Velvet Revolver gave me 2 great concerts this summer in Philadelphia and Atlantic City, and a kick ass CD.  So judging by the Summer of 2004, Velvet Revolver outshines the New Guns N' Roses. 

[mikegiuliana]

I get depressed and think of all the things that might have happened..

What was supposed to happen? You keep bringing this up. I suggest next time you watch the VMAs, let the tape run and listen to the Axl interview again. Most of your questions will be answered...

He said do some more recording and then do an american leg of the tour, he definetly didn't mean we wouldn't have anything two years later..
Did he tour north america to warm up? Don't fool yourself he didn't get out there from 2001-2002 just to go away and let the others do solo careers.. Who knows what the reason was, lack of confidence, or buckethead, either way there's no way he planned on taking this long.. Dizzy mentioned him tweaking old songs, that might have been something

[estranged.1098]

MADMANDAN - Velvet Revolver gave me 2 great concerts this summer in Philadelphia and Atlantic City, and a kick ass CD.? So judging by the Summer of 2004, Velvet Revolver outshines the New Guns N' Roses.?

You couldn't be more egocentric if you tried.

[MadmanDan]

I'd rather have a Chinese Democracy once every 12 years than one Contraband every year.Assuming,of course,that CD is as good as it seems to be

MADMANDAN - Velvet Revolver gave me 2 great concerts this summer in Philadelphia and Atlantic City, and a kick ass CD.? So judging by the Summer of 2004, Velvet Revolver outshines the New Guns N' Roses.?

Good for you!!  If VR furfills your need for great music,there's nothing wrong with that.They ARE a good band. But they just don't do it for me

[D]

VR do it for me but just on a different level than GNR.

People always ask me how i can dig GNR,bon jovi,Prince,RHCP,elvis presley,country music and Rap/R&B at the same time.

each gives me something different that the other doesnt.

VR are great, i like listening to them when im driving,working out or bike riding.

However they are a level below GNR.

top level

Guns N Roses,Bon Jovi,Prince,Red Hot Chili Peppers,Aerosmith

level just below meaning i like them but arent on the same plain as the above artists

Velvet Revolver,Limp Bizkit,Linkin Park


VR are very enjoyable and are great but compared to GNR they are like how STP was compared to Nirvana or 98 degrees compared to backstreet boys for all u boy band lovers out there, u know who u are!

GNR are more talented simply cause they will be more diverse, it takes more talent to do multiple stylings and do them well a la Prince, than it does to do basically the same style over and over.

[younggunner]

He said do some more recording and then do an american leg of the tour, he definetly didn't mean we wouldn't have anything two years later..

Of course he didnt think it woul dbe another 2 yrs. SHit happens. It was supposed to come put this past spring.

Did he tour north america to warm up? Don't fool yourself he didn't get out there from 2001-2002 just to go away and let the others do solo careers..

Yes, it was a warmup. They did that tour to get out of the studio and gel as a band, Also to play the old songs one last time.

They shouldnt have done cities like Idaho and Tacoma, they should have done a qucik major city tour. WOuld have been more productive.

either way there's no way he planned on taking this long.. Dizzy mentioned him tweaking old songs, that might have been something

I think this recent delay has come from a combo of things. The lawsuit thing, GH, Bucket, and letting the members wrap up their solo stuff. The time is coming....

[jimmythegent]

I certainly hope the vocals on CD are a vast improvment from the MTV awards 2 yrs ago. I have to say I was mortified when this was initially aired 2 years ago and I viewed again recently and was appalled once more. However, im of and have always been of the opinion that Axl needs to quit running round the stage so much - even on the Illusions tour, he struggled to sing well and run and that's gotten worse as he's got older. I'm sure his studio vocals will be top-notch, but that MTV performance set them back IMO - probably knocked Axls confidence when he viewed the show

[Mikkamakka]

He said do some more recording and then do an american leg of the tour, he definetly didn't mean we wouldn't have anything two years later..

Of course he didnt think it woul dbe another 2 yrs. SHit happens. It was supposed to come put this past spring.

Did he tour north america to warm up? Don't fool yourself he didn't get out there from 2001-2002 just to go away and let the others do solo careers..

Yes, it was a warmup. They did that tour to get out of the studio and gel as a band, Also to play the old songs one last time.

How do you know that they planned to release it this spring?  Axl said in a couple of interviews that he wants to release it in 2001, spring of 2002, but I've never heard anything about this spring. (On the other hand: Axl's interviews are the proofs that he wanted to release CD years before...)

Do you think that a tour named Chinese Democracy World Tour was supposed to be only a warm-up and the he planned to record for years and not release anything? 

[younggunner]

[quoteAxl said in a couple of interviews that he wants to release it in 2001]

Then someone named Buckethead joined the band.

spring of 2002

where/when

Do you think that a tour named Chinese Democracy World Tour was supposed to be only a warm-up and the he planned to record for years and not release anything?

I have no clue why they named it CD. My guess is that after the first leg of the tour concluded they were gonna go back and finish it up and then start the 2nd leg od CD witht he actual new material.

Again, last tour basically had nothing to do with CD.

[lovethisguys]

well...i kinda understand why duff said that...anyway, i completly disagree and it hurts to know that duff said that...
he is in a new fase of his life, happy and productive. i understand that he now produces more music of his own, or better, has more conscience of it....but even so, i dont believe he trully believes that, he is just excited about VR...