im tired of GNR fans that want to limit Axl

[D]

I read how people want 5 guys to make rock music and how GNR are rock music etc etc

NO THEY ARENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *edit* of course they are rock music, im saying they are more than just a rock band, like eebs said how many can go from estranged to right next door to hell to patience to oh my god*
people tend to forget that November Rain was gonna be on AFD, that Axl fought hard to have that on AFD!

Some people make it out like GNR have always been this hard rockin band and like out of the blue started makin ballads and big orchestral shit.

I think axl wanted that all a long.

Some of you want GNR to be ACDC and make the same ole shit over and over and over and over again.

Axl is one of the most talented and most visionary artists ever and i want him to fully succeed and reach his entire potential.

Id much rather have Axl evolve from estranged than to write paradise city part 2. I think its exciting and mystical thinking of all the stuff Axl has done.

Its the only record i am truly psyched about, cause i know he is goin for something majorly new and great.

So i know everyone wants the hard rockin Appetite for Destruction era GNR but i dont, im glad the old band is no more and im glad Axl is attempting to do something thats never been done

So quit tryin to hold axl down and stop limiting him to one genre or style of music and appreciate him for what he is, which is a multi talented artist!

[AdZ]

people tend to forget that November Rain was gonna be on AFD, that Axl fought hard to have that on AFD!

No he didn't, he didn't want it on AFD because it wasn't finished at that time.

[Eeebs]

This is why I like GNR - there are some bands, whose albums, and even songs, just blend into each other, so much so, you can have a difficult time separating song from song, album for album.  But with GNR, every album is so different and diverse... not to mention the songs!  I mean, compare have SCOM and It's So Easy, Patience with One in a Million, and Estranged with Right Next Door to Hell.  It can't get any better than that!

[gnr157]

Its the only record i am truly psyched about, cause i know he is goin for something majorly new and great.

So i know everyone wants the hard rockin Appetite for Destruction era GNR but i dont, im glad the old band is no more and im glad Axl is attempting to do something thats never been done

I couldn't agree with this more.? This is why I Still follow this band, in anticipation of something great.? Axl is aiming for perfection- in a time when many artists just do what they have to, to get the job done.? And as a consequence their music and utlimately the fans lose out.? Axl hasn't compromised his work or his goal because of financial pressure, time, or pressure from fans.? Axl could of have probably made UYI III in 1995....and the world would of cared less....but instead Axl is taking his time to make something truely great, something that is actually worth waiting for.

[the dirt]

I read how people want 5 guys to make rock music and how GNR are rock music etc etc

NO THEY ARENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They're not rock music

people tend to forget that November Rain was gonna be on AFD, that Axl fought hard to have that on AFD!

I don't think this is true. Axl spent Ages perfecting this song, it was really his baby. One of the reasons the Illusions took a while to come out. He even went as far as saying he was going to quit the music business if NR didn't end up sounding exactly what he wanted it to sound like in the end.

Some people make it out like GNR have always been this hard rockin band and like out of the blue started makin ballads and big orchestral shit.

I think axl wanted that all a long.

In many ways, he probably did.

Some of you want GNR to be ACDC and make the same ole shit over and over and over and over again.

Yep, there are those who wanted this.

So i know everyone wants the hard rockin Appetite for Destruction era GNR but i dont, im glad the old band is no more and im glad Axl is attempting to do something thats never been done

Along with the fact that you don't think GNR is rock, here you sound as if you believe Axl is going to create a brand new musical genre...

[D]

people tend to forget that November Rain was gonna be on AFD, that Axl fought hard to have that on AFD!

No he didn't, he didn't want it on AFD because it wasn't finished at that time.

in guitar one magazine mike clink says:

"the one song that was a point of disagreement was "November Rain," It was an epic, but the rest of th band felt it wasnt right for the first Guns record-they wanted to keep it guitar oriented.? Obviously, Axl felt it was his finest moment, and it was, it's a great song.? That was one of the tougher hurdles to get over on that record."


sounds to me that it was ready,same as Dont Cry but they kept it guitar oriented, my point is people are like "gnr sold out, they started doin this bloated keyboard,horns shit"? but fuck move to the city had horns on it and it was done what? 1986?

I may be the only person that preferred the 976 horns era of GNR, i think its a great fuckin spectacle and adds so much to the ballads, listen to November Rain at st louis riot show, its pretty bad due large in part to the horrible backin vocals by the band, i know im in the minority here but i like that era of GNR the best!


let me clarify, GNR are not only a rock band! sure they are rock music, im saying they arent just rock music. sorry i shouldve clarified that better.

[Dr. Blutarsky]

Great Thread!

The reason why I am so excited for CD is because it is going to be different and more experimental than previous GNR records. I don`t think he could have done it with the old band. If you don`t move forward as an artist, you eventually become a novelty act,  singing the old hits like Elvis in Vegas or Poison. Axl is not an entertainer, he is an artist.

[33]

Hey D - Respect to you man!!

I couldnt agree with you more! However much AFD grabbed me by the balls in 1987 to the world of GnR. It was most definetely the later GnR era that had me completely blown away. I think between 91-93 Axl  took them on in a huge way with his lyrics and vision! He moved on from the style that a lot of people didnt want him to leave behind, but I think he had to otherwise it would have kind of died there and then. That is why, I for one cannot wait to see what is gonna happen when the album drops. I just cant help but think that it is gonna blow music right out of the water!!

[Izzy]

I adore the Illusions album - and if Axl want's to make an album more in that vein he won't get any complaiants from me - more songs like 'Estranged' and 'Coma' are what i'm after

[TyRod Tulip]

This is why I Still follow this band, in anticipation of something great.? Axl is aiming for perfection- in a time when many artists just do what they have to, to get the job done.?

That is probably why all of us are here.  We all think that Axl has it in him to create a real work of art here (even if some would like him to do it under another name).  I think that is why we all check this board everyday if possible.  That doesn't mean we agree with the way he goes about it sometimes.  I'm not sure what the problem is with someone voicing their displeasure with Axl's methods or approach?  I think he has done things rather questionably even since we have known of him.  And a record full of 9 minute orchestrated songs may not appeal to some (<----- me).

Axl hasn't compromised his work or his goal because of financial pressure, time, or pressure from fans.

True we hope.  But he may be paranoid about getting it perfect that he compromises it because of that.  I hope not, but it is possible.

-TyRod-

[AdZ]

Then why on the making of the videos does axl say:
"I knew november rain wasn't finished, and I didn't want anyone to help me write it"?

[tHeElEcTrIcSiNtAr]

Agree with ya man. This album will be awesome with no certain type of rock music, all different styles. It will be great. I'm glad that Axl is doing it right.

[badobsession81]

Good thread. Like the last comment. There is nothing wrong in criticising Axl and new GNR (and their actions) if it is constructive.

I love GNR because of the huge variety in material. I agree that November Rain and Don't Cry weren't right for a first record - you've gotta announce your presence with that first record and so an all-out sex drugs rock n roll record was a big statement and sounded like no other, nov rain and dont cry wouldve only softened that blow. also, take a listen to the godawful cheesy, boring demo on the dont cry single with steven drumming. You can see how the sound wasnt quite right yet.

I love GNR's diversity and love that they still sound like GNR (if that makes sense). There's Axl's voice, Slash's guitar sound etc throughout the diff material.

The other point is, that I don't want to restrain Axl, I just wish Slash wouldve been willing to try different styles and advance too, cuz ill miss the sound he had on estranged, and rockers like nightrain. But unlike some, I still want a few rockers in there. I want the diversity, u know?

Tommy said in a recent interview that there were arguments b4 over which songs made it on to the old albums and that some wanted axl to sing their songs etc - maybe its not just slash though? maybe izzy wanted axl to sing his songs and he wouldnt? i dunno, just speculation.

I'll stop now, cuz my point is gradually getting lost in this ramble! lol

Bob

[D]

true adz but in the end he did have help writing it, i think we can all agree that november rain wouldnt be timeless if not for slash's brilliant guitar work. It would be an amazing song still but slash's solo's are perfect and some of the greatest solo's of all time which makes me scratch my head when listening to VR, i love VR but those solos make me wonder.


i think axl felt the old band peaked, that they could do no better than what they did on the illusions but axl wasnt finished evolving so he had to find others to take him higher to the place he wanted to go.

November Rain probably wasnt finished which is ultimately why it didnt go on appetite, still didnt mean at the time axl wanted it on there, on the makin the video he was a little older and wiser and probably saw that mike clink and the band were right but in that moment in time im sure he wanted November rain in some form to appear on AFD

in any band im sure u never know if u will get another chance, so for all axl knew AFD couldve been their only record and wanted to make sure he got his life's statement on it.

Of course it all worked out in the end.

For those worried about 18 coma's and 18 november rains i dont think that will be so, he may have epic stairway to heaven type rock songs, im sure there will be kick ass rockers on there, tommy said they had rockers more in the old gnr vein but just deeper lyrics

so im optimistic that axl is taking so long because he wants to please the appetite fan, please the illusion fan and please the newer fans and most importantly please himself which explains why it has been such a long process.

[ppbebe]

Well, I?m afraid I evidently love GNR of this ERA best. I live today and will be tomorrow.
And I?m sure many of us will.

I won?t hate it if they create a brand new musical genre.

[Walapino]

No, Axl didnt felt the old band had peaked... He felt they didnt put much effort into his vision (like what he said about Slash in the press release). I prefer the GNR without the horn section and stuff but i loved gnr because of their musical diversity and not repeating them over and over on the albums. Hope this can keep up in CD. 

[The Estranged MrFlashbax]

you know.. i agree with what has been said in this thread.. but i guess i'm just one of those sad people who would be pleased if CD ended up being an hour long axl rant..

[Captain Obvious]

Axl should do whatever his artistic vision tells him to do. However, you cannot expect him to keep the same fanbase if he starts writing 10 minute ballads only. I really like the Illusions songs but you can't limit people, if they don't wanna hear it..they won't hear it.  If people think the songs are sappy, there isn't much anyone can do.

[SON OF A PREACHER]

Im an illusions fan myself, izzy duff and slash are cool but they only want to do the same ol' rolling stones acdc aerosmith kind of songs that last 3-4 minutes....AFD is great and all but I love 10 minute songs that have different rhythms tempos, etc...Its like a ride...Contraband is boring in the fact that its just another rock record....*ps: I own contraband* that's one of the reasons why Im glad they went different ways...axl can do his thing now and the others their thing. And we can have both.

[gnrhamm]

I haven't posted in long time, and I don't know why I am now, but I think that this topic entrigued me. I think a lot is summed up when Slash was interviewed by much music when VR came here earlier this year. He said something along the lines of; 'I wish he would just release the album.? After all it's just a fucking rock-in-roll record.'
I would say that this is why Slash is no longer in the band any why Contraband is nothing great. JMFO