im tired of GNR fans that want to limit Axl

[D]

Contraband is the best basis for this argument here.


i love variety, give me 8 rockers, 5 midtempo regular length songs and 5 epics!

contraband 10 rockers 3 ballads just gets hard to swallow especiallysince the rockers blend together so much.
Contraband is a good record but honestly there isnt but maybe 2 great songs on the whole cd which are the ballads lta and ygnr, none of the rockers are anything special, slither did in my opinion turn out to be the best rocker

i think contraband proved axl's point how the old band wanted to just put something out that was easy and not very focused, didnt slash say it took 3 weeks to do the music to contraband?

I hold slash to a very high standard since i consider him one of the top 5 guitarist ever but listening objectively every solo on contraband is more "so fine" than estranged,scom,NR,paradise city,dont damn me,kohd, etc etc etc? slash can do better!

only thing i can compare it to is if axl's best lyric on CD only compared to say yesterdays or dead horse, those songs have ok lyrics, they are good but still we'd be a little dejected if they were on par with those same with slash on CB there are some ok moments that would be good for most guitarist but not the high standard that is Slash!

[PhillyRiot]

People don't want to limit Axl, they want to hear the freakin album.

[D]

there are those who use the overproduced argument,the bloated argument etc etc etc
i personally think it will be a great variety of new and old with an updated sound and awesome lyrics.


I think alot of times artists get in writing mode for 6 months and write all the songs for the record, well u burn out eventually and run out of ideas which is why u get 3 or 4 hits and then some filler

why cant every song someone writes be a hit? i mean if u can write 3 or 4 hits why cant u write 12? so i honest to God think axl has had seperate writing sessions then lengthy breaks to regroup on creativity and we are getting one big greatest hits album that we've never heard yet

ive been sayin this since last year and i honest to God think is the reason things have took so long.

[gnrhamm]

People don't want to limit Axl, they want to hear the freakin album.

Yeah but if you were Axl, and have been out of the spotlight, and have something to prove, would you release something you weren't 100% happy with? You would be kicking yourself in the ass if the album failed, saying I should have done this or that. I wouldn't release something on the grade of contraband. It's just sub-standard.

[Layne420]

It's people close to Axl and old members who are holding up Axl. It's clear that no one wants to be a part of what Axl is trying to do. I think with bringing in new guys that sadly nobody has giving a chance yet but it's a great decision by Axl to do that. Yeah Slash is great but sometimes he's shady with gnr and axl. I really don't care I always perfer that gnr went out like it did. God only knows they would be like Aerosmith or metillica  these days 

[FragileVision]

Good topic.

I too am mystified by the amount of fans that want a record that sounds "exactly like AFD." Where's the growth in that? I've loved most of the new songs, and the fact that they are all so different from eachother bodes well for CD - I've been listening to the UYI records a lot lately, and the sheer variety on both albums is great. GNR is simply pushing the boundaries further, and I couldn't be happier.

[D]

what makes me optimistic is i already consider the blues to be a top 5 gnr ballad of all time and its suppose to be a filler so that alone really feels me with confidence

really the only song ballad i would take over the blues is estranged and maybe scom but really thats it!

where as no VR songs are better than even the worst of gnr songs, the blues probably would be in my top 15 of all time gnr songs! considering its a live recording and non studio thats pretty amazing!

[GNFNR_UK]

where as no VR songs are better than even the worst of gnr songs

While I agree with most of your points in this thread, I hope this is a serious exageration!
You can't honestly think 'My World' or 'Silkworms' are better songs than 'Loving The Alien' or 'Slither'?

[D]

lta is my fav song on contraband i consider it better than

think about you
anything goes
youre crazy
use to love her
youre crazy acoustic
dust n bones
live and let die
dont cry
perfect crime
you aint the first
bad obsession
dtj
the garden
garden of eden
bad apples
dead horse
14 years
yesterdays
shotgun blues
get in the ring
pretty tied up
so fine
my world
silk worms
chinese democracy
rhiad


i find loving the alien to be amazing

but most of the rockers would be better than maybe 2 or 3 on that list!

[jarmo]

I too am mystified by the amount of fans that want a record that sounds "exactly like AFD." Where's the growth in that?

Some people just don't want things to change.

Since they liked AFD, they're hoping to get something similar. The problem is, it's not 1987 anymore and things have changed.


/jarmo

[Voodoochild]

I too am mystified by the amount of fans that want a record that sounds "exactly like AFD." Where's the growth in that?

Some people just don't want things to change.

Since they liked AFD, they're hoping to get something similar. The problem is, it's not 1987 anymore and things have changed.


/jarmo

The problem is: they already changed the sound in UYI's, why expect the impossible? Sure, it could be this way if the old line-up were still togheter, but that's not the case.
Anyways, great topic. I agree with nearly everything D said. Good words, dude! 

[liquidvirus]

People don't want to limit Axl, they want to hear the freakin album.

Yeah but if you were Axl, and have been out of the spotlight, and have something to prove, would you release something you weren't 100% happy with? You would be kicking yourself in the ass if the album failed, saying I should have done this or that. I wouldn't release something on the grade of contraband. It's just sub-standard.

In a span of 10 years, I would rather have 3-4 Contraband like albums, then no album at all...and by no means is contraband sub-standard....it might not be great but it is good/very good

[ppbebe]

I too am mystified by the amount of fans that want a record that sounds "exactly like AFD." Where's the growth in that?

Some people just don't want things to change.

Since they liked AFD, they're hoping to get something similar. The problem is, it's not 1987 anymore and things have changed.

But their seats of hearing sense have frozen on 1987 ever since?

[D]

ill have to respectively disagree liquid

ill wait 12 years for one life changing just unbelievable cd hell ill wait 15 years for just one more song that moves me and makes me feel the way estranged does

so yes id rather wait than have 3 or 4 contrabands, ive listened to contraband for about 3 months straight now and im almost tired of it already so i dont want 3 or 4 contrabands, ill wait on axl cause i think its gonna be worth it!

[axl_rose_700]

people tend to forget that November Rain was gonna be on AFD, that Axl fought hard to have that on AFD!

No he didn't, he didn't want it on AFD because it wasn't finished at that time.

And he didn't think the band were mature enough to pull that track off at the time!

And D, I couldn't agree with you more. A mate of mine who doesn't like GnR tried to tell me their songs all sound the same. I laughed in his fuckin face!

[Elle]

I agree with D, I'd rather wait for an amazing record than just have them put out a mediocre one. I like contraband but there's no way I'll still be listening to it in 16 years like AFD.

[Dave_Rose]

I believe in always reinvinting your music because peole will get bored of it soon.

[gnr1967]

I agree with D, I'd rather wait for an amazing record than just have them put out a mediocre one. I like contraband but there's no way I'll still be listening to it in 16 years like AFD.

Agreed.? AFD is truly an amazing record that has been in constant rotation in my music collection.? I don't think Contraband has the same kind of long-term staying-power.? It's great to listen to sometimes, but 10 years from now, I doubt I'll be listening to it very much.? I have no doubt that I'll still be listening to AFD.?

That said, I don't want another AFD.? AFD is great for what it...an explosive, well-thought out record that was perfect in 1987.? It's by far my favorite GNR release to date.? Nevertheless, I love it when Axl pushes the envelope and creates something with true long-term staying-power (Estranged comes to mind).? Unlike a lot of other bands that stick to the same old formula, GNR has evolved and consequently the music reflects much greater depth.? The Blues and Madagascar reflect this evolution.? ?? Just my personal opinion.?

[The Estranged MrFlashbax]

I agree with D, I'd rather wait for an amazing record than just have them put out a mediocre one. I like contraband but there's no way I'll still be listening to it in 16 years like AFD.

fuck 16 years.. i stopped listening to it the day i got the Hollywood Rose album (june 23rd) and i havent heard a lick of contraband since.. except for the fall to pieces video..

you know.. the things tommy said about the new songs really gets my hopes up.. also all this wait is building up a crap load of hype.. and from past personal experiences, when i'm very hyped about something, i guess its bad luck i guess but the end product never lives up to the hype.. hopefully this streak of bad luck will end with CD..

[C0ma]

ill have to respectively disagree liquid

ill wait 12 years for one life changing just unbelievable cd hell ill wait 15 years for just one more song that moves me and makes me feel the way estranged does

so yes id rather wait than have 3 or 4 contrabands, ive listened to contraband for about 3 months straight now and im almost tired of it already so i dont want 3 or 4 contrabands, ill wait on axl cause i think its gonna be worth it!

I laugh when I think about the way people get themselves worked up over this CD that has been amongst the missing for the last 4-5 years. How is anything going to live up to your expectations??
I'm also sick of the +3000 music experts that throw around their (unwanted) opinions of Contraband. It's great that you've been listening to Contraband for three straight months and got sick of it, but unfortuantly I've been reading your posts for about a year, but got sick of them alot faster. Why do people have to try and pump up their point of view on Axl's talent by attacking a CD that got released, gets great airplay, and is a favorite of rock fans. We know what Axl is capable of, but for those of us who aren't waiting for a CD the "Changes the World" the delays just get old. No one is trying to limit Axl's creativity, but what could be taking +5 years. A 16 track cd with 16 attempted Epics just seems very unrealistic, as well as shoe-in commerical flop. (sorry for my unsolicited unwanted non-expert opinion, but I didn't start the thread)

"ill wait on axl cause i think its gonna be worth it!" - if that wait doesn't work for you in the end let me know, I have a nice bridge for sale in New York.