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Re: slash says heroin left him unable to play guitar - Sep. 10, 2004
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Quote from: Freya on September 10, 2004, 07:58:20 PM
From the same interview:
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One night, Bowie came to see Guns N' Roses with Slash's mum Ola, the pair having been an item in the '70s.
"Axl heard he was there and started into Bowie from the stage about some bullshit," he recalls. "I was so embarrassed because David was always so polite, proper and English. He really didn't need or deserve anything like that. The thing with Axl was that he never took any drugs. Maybe he should try medication."
Slash must have been drunk in this interview (as the writer suggested), he doesn't usually go into detail like this.? I know the famous "Axl chases Bowie down street" story, but I hadn't heard this before, I wonder when this concert was.? Interesting.?
If it's true, I cant imagine why Axl would do that. He originally chased Bowie because of some misunderstanding about Erin, but I assume Slash is not talking about that incident. I wonder if he is getting mixed up - most of Axl's crazy rants are pretty famous. If there was one about Bowie, wouldnt we have heard it already?
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Re: slash says heroin left him unable to play guitar - Sep. 10, 2004
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One night, Bowie came to see Guns N' Roses with Slash's mum Ola, the pair having been an item in the '70s.
"Axl heard he was there and started into Bowie from the stage about some bullshit," he recalls. "I was so embarrassed because David was always so polite, proper and English. He really didn't need or deserve anything like that. The thing with Axl was that he never took any drugs. Maybe he should try medication."
This pisses me off. More than CD being delayed. I can understand Axl wanting to make a perfect record, but i dont know why Axl talks like this about other musicians, especially in front of Bowie. And i always hear how upset Axl gets when hes slagged off by others.?
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Re: slash says heroin left him unable to play guitar - Sep. 10, 2004
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bowie was hittin on axl's wife and axl took offense and punched him i think if thats how i remember!
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Re: slash says heroin left him unable to play guitar - Sep. 10, 2004
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Quote from: jarmo on September 10, 2004, 05:48:16 PM
Quote from: Smoking Guns on September 10, 2004, 05:29:57 PM
And what I am saying is that Slash was off of heroin long before the break up.? Then I actually cite the time frame for which he is speaking.
And you know this as a fact because?
He died in 1992 thanks to heroin so saying he was the most fucked up in 88/89 is kinda stupid.
/jarmo
Jarmo there is a difference between overdosing and being totally dependant on a drug to keep u happy. "I used to do a little but a little got MORE AND MORE"
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Re: slash says heroin left him unable to play guitar - Sep. 10, 2004
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Quote from: jarmo on September 10, 2004, 08:56:48 PM
Quote from: Smoking Guns on September 10, 2004, 08:12:40 PM
Jarmo, I am focking with you in my last post.? Lighten up.? I watched the same behind the music as you did D.A.? However, during the BTM, they made one beleive that the Slash got his act together after the call out at the Stones gig.? In fact, they made it appear is if it was only Stephen that had the "serious" drug issues.? He is alive, he likes to have a good time.? He seems to be okay.? Yes, he could relapse at anytime, just like Scott or Anthony Keidis could.
Believe what you want. I still think he had problems back in the UYI days. Just like Duff and Matt did.
Steven was the only one who was so fucked up he couldn't record.
/jarmo
I'm sure Slash was dancing with Mr. Brownstone (but maybe not heroin) during the UYI-tour. But there was an interview where he said that after an overdose he got really frightened so he went off drugs. He still drinks a lot, no question, maybe less than he did in 2000, but I think the amount Slash drinks today probably would kill any of us.
So I think he used less drugs during the UYI tour than he used back in the AFD days, but his playing was fucked up sometimes... But other people who was said to be clean had even worse voice than his guitar playing, so that's it. (And 'clean' guitarists ruin more solos than the addict Slash.)
But I don't believe for a second that 'The thing with Axl was that he never took any drugs.' Hell, maybe 'taking drugs' has a different meaning for Slash than for the rest of the world. He surely meant Axl didn't use too much drugs. Maybe Axl used more, GN'R would still exist.
Slash and Duff didn't use drugs when GN'R broke up, so not drugs killed the band, but... 'ego management' and some 'psychological problems'.
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He's a rock star of course he had his problems with heroin, even a new fan could see this from btm.. I have been following gnr since they started (more during the illusions) and slash was no different then the other guys in the band... He always played ,see what robert john said in btm, being dedicated... Slash was always a person that needed things to do to keep focused...
The idea about not being able to play anymore could have been during the snakept era.. I think the breakup was do to different directions... Just hearing the boots from new gnr shows me this, in comparison to SP, n vr.. I believe slash just loves straight up rock, and I don't think axl wanted to do this...Remember his interview mentioning computer rock to advanced at the time for gnr fans, and now the synths and sound effects...They went from Afd the best album ever to pianos, keyboard and horns... I
It's definetly a difference in opinion and possibly less input from the band towards the albums..
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Re: slash says heroin left him unable to play guitar - Sep. 10, 2004
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Quote from: mikegiuliana on September 11, 2004, 09:45:54 AM
believe slash just loves straight up rock, and I don't think axl wanted to do this...Remember his interview mentioning computer rock to advanced at the time for gnr fans, and now the synths and sound effects...They went from Afd the best album ever to pianos, keyboard and horns... I
It's definetly a difference in opinion and possibly less input from the band towards the albums..
Yet Axl is trying to remake Appetite with Chinese Democracy now, look.......
Stinson says Democracy sounds "a little like the old Guns, but a lot deeper lyrically. There's more introspective and socially minded stuff, and musically it takes a lot more risks than they ever took. It's going to be amazing." (More on Guns N' Roses)
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Re: slash says heroin left him unable to play guitar - Sep. 10, 2004
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Quote from: Top-Hatted One on September 11, 2004, 10:25:05 AM
Quote from: mikegiuliana on September 11, 2004, 09:45:54 AM
believe slash just loves straight up rock, and I don't think axl wanted to do this...Remember his interview mentioning computer rock to advanced at the time for gnr fans, and now the synths and sound effects...They went from Afd the best album ever to pianos, keyboard and horns... I
It's definetly a difference in opinion and possibly less input from the band towards the albums..
Yet Axl is trying to remake Appetite with Chinese Democracy now, look.......
Stinson says Democracy sounds "a little like the old Guns, but a lot deeper lyrically. There's more introspective and socially minded stuff, and musically it takes a lot more risks than they ever took. It's going to be amazing." (More on Guns N' Roses)
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I read the tommy interview... To anyone who has heard songs like for mom, and stuff off electrictears from buckethead I could see great rock songs with axl if they kept the sounds.. I fear they will be going in the other direction with buckethead...
Top hat one, he might mean uyi... I feel (jmo) that new gnr is going to have these huge orchestra ballads(not what I like) I had read some interview talking about violins, and chellos.. Doing songs like NR once is very good, but to continue doing them is not for me,,Gnr to me meant hard rock, raw kick ass rock.... I remember the first times I saw paris on pay per view I loved the sutff with lenny, and aerosmith... I just wasn't into the additions of horns, and background singers.. I just hope the new stuff isn't bloated and overdone like the illusions were becoming ... Moving on musically doesn't mean you need to top yourself/out do yourself on each album..
When gnr was five guys it was simple, less guys then a now bloated 7(2 keyboard players)
... It was easier to rock ,and when you have less, there's fewer people to satisfy... Just look how long it took to do afd, lies, live like a suicide.. Matt said it best he signed up to be in a kick ass rock band, and it's not brain surgery it's rock n roll..I have been waiting for this album since the SI... I wish it would come...
Sorry I drifted..
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Re: slash says heroin left him unable to play guitar - Sep. 10, 2004
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Quote from: Smoking Guns on September 10, 2004, 08:12:40 PM
Jarmo, I am focking with you in my last post.? Lighten up.? I watched the same behind the music as you did D.A.? However, during the BTM, they made one beleive that the Slash got his act together after the call out at the Stones gig.? In fact, they made it appear is if it was only Stephen that had the "serious" drug issues.? He is alive, he likes to have a good time.? He seems to be okay.? Yes, he could relapse at anytime, just like Scott or Anthony Keidis could.
yeah, Anthony got clean around 1988, but he had a relapse in the mid 90s.
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Believe what you want. I still think he had problems back in the UYI days. Just like Duff and Matt did.
I always knew duff had a drug problem and knew what his drugs of choice were, but, what was Matt hooked on?
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Quote from: chineseillusions on September 11, 2004, 01:57:46 PM
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Believe what you want. I still think he had problems back in the UYI days. Just like Duff and Matt did.
I always knew duff had a drug problem and knew what his drugs of choice were, but, what was Matt hooked on?
According to himself, alcohol and cocaine.
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I have to say that there are several shows that I have where Slash sounded terrible on guitar. If anyone has the Indiana 1991 show, they know what I mean. His solos are way off most of the time. Then, in other shows like Paris 1992 and Tokyo 1992, he's right on. I think the drugs affected him and some of the other bands members (Izzy in certain shows clearly played the wrong parts at times) ability to perform. The reason why they (VR) sound so good now is b/c they are clean.
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Quote from: gnrvrrule on September 11, 2004, 05:14:52 PM
I have to say that there are several shows that I have where Slash sounded terrible on guitar.? If anyone has the Indiana 1991 show, they know what I mean.? His solos are way off most of the time.? Then, in other shows like Paris 1992 and Tokyo 1992, he's right on.? I think the drugs affected him and some of the other bands members (Izzy in certain shows clearly played the wrong parts at times) ability to perform.? The reason why they (VR) sound so good now is b/c they are clean.
Part of slash's appeal, as well as anything live is not sounding like the studio... I've heard some really sloppy stuff from finck, doesn't mean he was stoned
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Believe what you want. I still think he had problems back in the UYI days. Just like Duff and Matt did.
I always knew duff had a drug problem and knew what his drugs of choice were, but, what was Matt hooked on?
According to himself, alcohol and cocaine.
/jarmo
kind of OT, but... its so funny to me to listen to the other guys try to legitimize Matt's bad boyness. Whenever a interviewer asks any of them about their drug past, its always "duff's pancreas exploded, Slash died 4 times, Scott was s junkie and served time, and Matt.... MATT WAS IN REHAB!!!! TWICE!!!!"
ooooooo, drinking AND cocaine... how dangerous!!! how did he EVER find his way out?!
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Quote from: badgirl on September 11, 2004, 07:06:00 PM
kind of OT, but... its so funny to me to listen to the other guys try to legitimize Matt's bad boyness.
Oh thats why they do it? I thought they were illustrating that like Scott, the other band members had problems with addiction. But they actually huddled together before the interview and decided on legitmizing Matts "bad boyness" by pointing out that he was in rehab. Youve figured it out.
So when making such points, they should exclude Matt so that people who already dislike him wont construe it as an attempt to make him look like a bad boy.
Quote from: badgirl on September 11, 2004, 07:06:00 PM
Whenever a interviewer asks any of them about their drug past, its always "duff's pancreas exploded, Slash died 4 times, Scott was s junkie and served time, and Matt.... MATT WAS IN REHAB!!!! TWICE!!!!"
Yeah...it comes across just like that.
Quote from: badgirl on September 11, 2004, 07:06:00 PM
ooooooo, drinking AND cocaine... how dangerous!!! how did he EVER find his way out?!
Now whats the point here? Alcohol and cocaine addictions are a joke? I guess Matts rehab visits were just for show..
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Not a big Matt fan, badgirl, are we now...
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Quote from: Booker Floyd on September 11, 2004, 07:57:56 PM
Quote from: badgirl on September 11, 2004, 07:06:00 PM
kind of OT, but... its so funny to me to listen to the other guys try to legitimize Matt's bad boyness.
Oh thats why they do it?? I thought they were illustrating that like Scott, the other band members had problems with addiction.? But they actually huddled together before the interview and decided on legitmizing Matts "bad boyness" by pointing out that he was in rehab.? Youve figured it out.?
? So when making such points, they should exclude Matt so that people who already dislike him wont construe it as an attempt to make him look like a bad boy.?
Quote from: badgirl on September 11, 2004, 07:06:00 PM
Whenever a interviewer asks any of them about their drug past, its always "duff's pancreas exploded, Slash died 4 times, Scott was s junkie and served time, and Matt.... MATT WAS IN REHAB!!!! TWICE!!!!"
Yeah...it comes across just like that.?
Quote from: badgirl on September 11, 2004, 07:06:00 PM
ooooooo, drinking AND cocaine... how dangerous!!! how did he EVER find his way out?!
Now whats the point here?? Alcohol and cocaine addictions are a joke?? I guess Matts rehab visits were just for show..
actually, it does come across just like that, when you are not blinded by hero worship.
get over it.
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Quote from: badgirl on September 11, 2004, 08:36:38 PM
actually, it does come across just like that, when you are not blinded by hero worship.?
No, you're the one blinded here, by your dislike of Matt Sorum. I'm not much of a Sorum fan either, but it's ridiculous to attempt (as you are doing) to deemphasize or minimize Matt's problems with drugs by comparing them to people (e.g. Slash, Duff, Scott) who have done worse. Two stints in rehab are no small potatoes, even if Matt's bandmates have endured worse.
And I highly doubt Matt Sorum is Booker's "hero".
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Re: slash says heroin left him unable to play guitar - Sep. 10, 2004
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Quote from: Dizzy on September 12, 2004, 11:44:53 PM
And I highly doubt Matt Sorum is Booker's "hero".
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What a lame, off-base cop-out...
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Matt went throw a period where he was verrrry unhealthy
leaving Guns problably put him in a deep depression which problably lead to the heavy drug use
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