Eminem

[Eazy E]

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1490666/20040830/eminem.jhtml?headlines=true

It turns out Eminem's show has an encore ? fans just had to wait two and a half years for it, rather than the typical couple of minutes.

The rapper otherwise known as Slim Shady will release Encore, the follow-up to 2002's smash The Eminem Show, on November 16. Details on the release, such as the first single or collaborators, have not yet been revealed, but Em's spokesperson said the album will feature all new material.

Encore will hit shelves around the same time as another album featuring Eminem, a collection of unreleased Tupac tracks with Em as one of the producers (see "Eminem Signs On For Another 'New' Tupac Album"). Along with those projects, the Detroit rapper recently recorded a verse for a remix of the country's #1 song, "Lean Back" (see "Eminem, Mase Pitch In To Make 'Lean Back' Even Hotter").

Em last hit record stores in April with D12 World, the second album from his hometown crew, which has produced a couple of hits in "My Band" and "How Come."

D12 earned three Video Music Award nominations but left Sunday's ceremony empty-handed (see "Outkast, Jay-Z Win Big At Vmas; Usher, No Doubt Land Multiple Moonmen"). Eminem was not present with the rest of the group, who attended wearing Detroit Pistons garb.



And from the official Eminem website (www.eminem.com):

 "Encore" Coming November 16th!
Eminem's new studio album, "Encore", will be in stores November 16th!

 [posted 8/30/2004 U.S.A.]


So who's going to be getting this album??  I've been waiting for this for awhile now.  I'm pretty curious to hear what Em is going to rap about...  I think the title "Encore" is appropriate since we've already gone through Eminem, Slim Shady, and Marshall Mathers.  Gonna be keeping my ears open for a new single... Should be VERY interesting to see if Eminem maintains his superstar status. 

I know Dizzy is buying this... who else?


P.S. Where is Dre's last CD??

[RichardNixon]

That's one album I wont be buying

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

eminem is just a stupid marilyn manson without the cool album cover's design.
if i had to listen to rap i'd rather hear NWA or Cypress.

ENCORE= AGAIN .... again and again the SAME music.

[ClintroN]

your right, i wonder what he will be rappin' about,
how much of a slut he's mother is again 
just like Korn, they just wont shut the fuck up, and there rich now and they still keep crying.

no eminem here

[Bill 213]

I'm glad to say I don't own an Eminem album and I don't think I'm gonna start with this one.   Isn't his 15 minutes up yet?  I think he's slowly starting to drift away thank god.  He's gonna go the route of Fred Durst I think and even his own fans will start to see how horrible he is.

[Booker Floyd]

His "15 minutes" is going on 6 years...

Sorry to break it to you, but hes not going anywhere.  Like it or not, hell be the biggest thing in music for as long as he decides to continue, which will be at least a couple more years.   

[Timothy]

this damn thing is going to sell million plus units it's first week . Kinda sucks for u2 their going to have to dell with his second week sells.

[Doc Emmett Brown]

His "15 minutes" is going on 6 years...

shit. I feel old!  Has it been that long?  And how long did GN'R last in its prime?  '87 - '93 give or take.

Sorry to break it to you, but hes not going anywhere.? Like it or not, hell be the biggest thing in music for as long as he decides to continue, which will be at least a couple more years.? ?

And then he'll turn to producing, like Dre

[slave2thegrind]

Another pointless rap album...the public will eat this up and we'll have to hear all about Eminem again...man i'm gettin tired of rap

[Gunner80]

Eminem sucks big ol' Donkey D**k!  What version is this? 4?









I really don't give a shit what Sky72 thinks of my opinion!

[Booker Floyd]

Another pointless rap album...

Out of curiosity, so I can better understand this steadfast anti-rap opinion - What makes a rap album pointless?  Furthermore, what makes a rock album have a point?

My own answer to that would be that the point of every album regardless of genre is to entertain...And judging by Eminems sales and critical acclaim, hes done just that.

man i'm gettin tired of rap

As somebody with no visible interest in rap, I dont know why you would be getting tired of it.  I would suggest getting used to it, its been dominating the mainstream for nearly 8 years and doesnt appear to be going anywhere.

Personally, as a fan of both rap and rock, Im getting tired of the lack of good music in either genre at the moment. 

[slave2thegrind]

Another pointless rap album...

Out of curiosity, so I can better understand this steadfast anti-rap opinion - What makes a rap album pointless?  Furthermore, what makes a rock album have a point?

My own answer to that would be that the point of every album regardless of genre is to entertain...And judging by Eminems sales and critical acclaim, hes done just that.

man i'm gettin tired of rap

As somebody with no visible interest in rap, I dont know why you would be getting tired of it.  I would suggest getting used to it, its been dominating the mainstream for nearly 8 years and doesnt appear to be going anywhere.


Personally, as a fan of both rap and rock, Im getting tired of the lack of good music in either genre at the moment. 

IMO i think that Rap albums are pointless because they all sing about the same sort of thing...drugs, clothes, and banging chicks...They all say they came from the ghetto...now they're rich and have lots of bling with tons of girls hanging off them and all the expensive cars they have.  It's regurgitated over and over...I'm not saying that a rock album has more point than a rap album...too me listening to rap does absolutely nothing...I just can't find a relation to them...

And when I say I'm getting tired of rap I'm meaning that I'm tired of its dominance in pop music...these artistis are constantly "cleaning up" at award shows and I just don't see why...i think it's time for a change...for something else to take hold...it's becoming alot like hair metal...the same sounding stuff over and over and over again. 

I should have been more specific with it...its just that I have a strong undesirable opinion towards that sort of music and I tend to be a bit careless with what I say about it.  I'm sure that theses artists have talent in what they do...it's just that I don't see it.  I didn't mean to offend.

But I do agree with you that there is a total lack of good music in rock as well..

[matt88]

Let's get a point across. 3 quartes of those cunts didn't come from the ghetto's or had a hard time being persecuted because of their background. Most of them have friends who are big or have connections to well known producers. So either they write a few ryhmes of living off their friends fame and banging chicks in their friends mansions or they lie about having a hard time getting to where they wanted to be.

Thats what i like about old school rap. It had a fucking meaning. Be Black or White you could listen to rap and understand what they meant. You could be black and relate to their pain or could be white and admire them for their courage to go public and speak their mind.

Thats why i continue to listen to Public Enemy and NWA today.

I remember being in school 10 or so years ago and black jokes were everywhere. Now if you hear someone say something like "Nigga" every cunt will be on the persons arse. They can't say they face persecution when nobody would have the balls to insult a black person nowdays.

Same with gays. Even a few years ago they were looked down upon..now gay culture is accepted and mainstream with the heterosexual community and it's the same with black people. At least here anyway

[Mattman]

Thats what i like about old school rap. It had a fucking meaning. Be Black or White you could listen to rap and understand what they meant. You could be black and relate to their pain or could be white and admire them for their courage to go public and speak their mind.

Thats why i continue to listen to Public Enemy and NWA today.

Amen!? Rock and rap are similar in that they were both a lot better 12 years ago.? I like listening to old school gangsta rap because those guys actually had something to say.? I mean, I listened to NWA's "Fuck Tha Police" for the first time a few months ago, and it felt like I had been punched in the face.? These guys really hit hard, with their lyrics and their attitude.? Now, rap is all about the bling-bling...guys talking about how they've got a good fashion design company going.? There's less substance, more flash.? That's why I liked Jay-Z's "99 Problems" so much - it wasn't about some rich guy drinking Perrier, it was about the pain of everyday people.? Artsy video, too.

Did anybody see the video for Lloyd Banks' song, "I'm So Fly"?? I saw that and just had to laugh, it was so bad.? It exemplifies everything that's wrong with modern-day rap.? This guy comes to success by hanging on the coattails of 50 Cent and G-Unit, and writes a song that's basically him waving money around in front of his dozen token bitches and saying, "Look at me, I'm great!"? Well, good for you.? Same goes for that Nelly song, "My Place".? Man, that is one shitty song 'n' video.? Just him and another guy hanging out in a mansion with a bunch of chicks as Nelly has a "special moment" with one of them (although that chick was REALLY hot).? There's nothing rap bout that....it's basically just bubblegum pop with less melody.? Mind you, Nelly was always one of the shittier rappers out there - "#1" is his only good song.

So my point is basically, I hate bling-bling rap.? Which is why I appreciate rappers who do something a little different.? Eminem is good for mainstream rap....he sings about different stuff, even if it's all about him and he's the biggest narcissist in the world.? I mean, "Sing For The Moment", "Lose Yourself", "The Way I Am"...all really good songs and more raw than any bling-bling rap.? But if you ask me, Outkast are heads and shoulders above any other rappers out there today.? Now that is a great group...experimental, catchy, different.? They even add melody to their rap, which few others can do outside the chorus.

You know, even though I'm a rocker through and through, I do like a lot of rap.? But my main problem with it, and the reason I always go back to rock, is because it's musically uninteresting to me.? I mean, there's no catchy melody during the verses, only during the chorus.? There's no variation in song structures, and the instrumentation is the same the whole way through.? Learn a rap song on guitar - it'll take you ten seconds.? That's why I appreciate rap groups like Outkast that push the envelope.

Eminem is popular, but I don't think a lot of his songs will age well, because it's all about him.? Who in thirty years will care about a feud between Eminem and Moby?? Nobody.? I find that rap ages less well than other musical genres.? No rap act from the 80s is still popular, except for the Beastie Boys, and their last album was pretty weak.

[Booker Floyd]

Amen!? Rock and rap are similar in that they were both a lot better 12 years ago.? I like listening to old school gangsta rap because those guys actually had something to say.? I mean, I listened to NWA's "Fuck Tha Police" for the first time a few months ago, and it felt like I had been punched in the face.? These guys really hit hard, with their lyrics and their attitude.? Now, rap is all about the bling-bling...guys talking about how they've got a good fashion design company going.? There's less substance, more flash.? That's why I liked Jay-Z's "99 Problems" so much - it wasn't about some rich guy drinking Perrier, it was about the pain of everyday people.? Artsy video, too.

Did anybody see the video for Lloyd Banks' song, "I'm So Fly"?? I saw that and just had to laugh, it was so bad.? It exemplifies everything that's wrong with modern-day rap.? This guy comes to success by hanging on the coattails of 50 Cent and G-Unit, and writes a song that's basically him waving money around in front of his dozen token bitches and saying, "Look at me, I'm great!"? Well, good for you.? Same goes for that Nelly song, "My Place".? Man, that is one shitty song 'n' video.? Just him and another guy hanging out in a mansion with a bunch of chicks as Nelly has a "special moment" with one of them (although that chick was REALLY hot).? There's nothing rap bout that....it's basically just bubblegum pop with less melody.? Mind you, Nelly was always one of the shittier rappers out there - "#1" is his only good song.

So my point is basically, I hate bling-bling rap.? Which is why I appreciate rappers who do something a little different.? Eminem is good for mainstream rap....he sings about different stuff, even if it's all about him and he's the biggest narcissist in the world.? I mean, "Sing For The Moment", "Lose Yourself", "The Way I Am"...all really good songs and more raw than any bling-bling rap.? But if you ask me, Outkast are heads and shoulders above any other rappers out there today.? Now that is a great group...experimental, catchy, different.? They even add melody to their rap, which few others can do outside the chorus.

You know, even though I'm a rocker through and through, I do like a lot of rap.? But my main problem with it, and the reason I always go back to rock, is because it's musically uninteresting to me.? I mean, there's no catchy melody during the verses, only during the chorus.? There's no variation in song structures, and the instrumentation is the same the whole way through.? Learn a rap song on guitar - it'll take you ten seconds.? That's why I appreciate rap groups like Outkast that push the envelope.

Eminem is popular, but I don't think a lot of his songs will age well, because it's all about him.? Who in thirty years will care about a feud between Eminem and Moby?? Nobody.? I find that rap ages less well than other musical genres.? No rap act from the 80s is still popular, except for the Beastie Boys, and their last album was pretty weak.

Decent post, Matt.

However, theres a few points Id argue.

One is your problem with mainstream rap.  I dont care for most of it, and its totally fine that you dont either, but Nellys music in particular does serve a purpose.  Artistically, its shallow and all of that, but taken for what it is - party music, music to have dance and have fun to - its actually very well-done. 

Another is referencing the Eminem/Moby feud as something that would date the song.  To that, Id ask if you feel "Sweet Home Alabama" is any less classic because it mentions Neil Young?  I know, most of you as rock fans will swear its somehow different, but its really not.  The principle is no different.

Overall, Id say that your knowledge of rap is very limited.  Which is fine...but when I see you (and especially others) criticize rap in general for being pointless and about the same thing in every song, its clear that none of you are nearly qualified to make such a criticism.  Simply saying "I dont get it/ Its not for me" is a lot more sensible than making such arrogant, ignorant statements such as "i think that Rap albums are pointless because they all sing about the same sort of thing...drugs, clothes, and banging chicks".  It is refreshing to see that some of you are fans, or semi-fans of the music. 

As far as your comment of the longevity of rap artists, youre mainly right (but then again, theres not a ton of 80s acts still selling a ton of records either).  However, LL Cool J is still relatively popular...and I wouldnt even cite the Beastie Boys since their music often strays from rap and their audience certainly isnt a hip-hop one.  However, there are quite a few acts from the early 90s that are still at least somewhat popular. 

But as somebody who is a fan, I can say that rap for the most part is very stale right now...Theres been songs and albums here and thre, but in general I find myself rarely listening to anything new.  Theres plenty[/i] of stuff thats not about cars, money, and jewelry...but its just as uninteresting.  And though I havent listened to much rap at all lately, the little I do listen to is always older (or Jay-Z).  N.W.A. and Public Enemy proveto be two token old-school reference points, but theres a lot of other great shit including Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, De La Soul, A Tribe Called Quest, Gangstarr, Ultramagnetic MCs up to more recent acts such as Nas, Mobb Deep, the Notorious B.I.G., Digital Underground, Wu-Tang Clan, etc.

[RichardNixon]

I wish all rap "artists" would go into a big rocket ship and fly into the sun, yo, boyyyy. 

[slave2thegrind]

Overall, Id say that your knowledge of rap is very limited.  Which is fine...but when I see you (and especially others) criticize rap in general for being pointless and about the same thing in every song, its clear that none of you are nearly qualified to make such a criticism.  Simply saying "I dont get it/ Its not for me" is a lot more sensible than making such arrogant, ignorant statements such as "i think that Rap albums are pointless because they all sing about the same sort of thing...drugs, clothes, and banging chicks".  It is refreshing to see that some of you are fans, or semi-fans of the music. 

It seems that you're a pretty peeved off at some of the comments I've made early...but be what it is it's my opinion...I'm not goin off saying that rock is better than rap or that if you listen to rap that you gotta get your head checked or anything...i don't know why you seem so offended...it was my opinion and I voiced it...isn't that what message boards are for?  I just don't like the music...I don't get it/it's not for me...does that make you feel better?  But if I did offend you in anyway it was not my intention to do so....in the future however...if you have something to say to me, don't go insulting me in posts to other users...if you have something to say to me, just say it too me...if you think i'm arrogant and ignorant...just say it to me...not to someone else.

[Oddy]

i listen to a lot of old rap, new rap.........it just doesn't stick in my head like a run dmc song. i agree with booker, nelly makes great party songs, i mean hot in here was played at clubs for ages here. i think like with any music genre, just because its not on mtv or vh1 doesn't mean it doesnt exist. there is good rap out there, rap that you guys might like. rap with a message, rap with melody and good instrumentals and stuff.

i haven't really searched in a while, but the last rap album that i really really liked was Broken Arrow by Blackalicious. Yes it sounds like the name of an ebony porno, but its made up of a collaboration of artists. Really good songs, got ben harper and gil scot herron on there too. I suggest you find it or download it.

fuck i really want to listen to it now.

and to the person that said all rap is is talkin about how much money there they have and chicks they're banging. what a terrible reason to hate rap, hell rock is all about egos too. Millions of rock frontment sing about how good they are, how they could knock someone out with a single punch etc or how they have women everywhere.

ah thats enough.

[Dave_Rose]

I hate Eminem no way would I buy any of his albums

[Mattman]

Decent post, Matt.

Alright, I have Booker Floyd's Official Stamp of Approval! 

One is your problem with mainstream rap.  I dont care for most of it, and its totally fine that you dont either, but Nellys music in particular does serve a purpose.  Artistically, its shallow and all of that, but taken for what it is - party music, music to have dance and have fun to - its actually very well-done. 

Yeah, I know it's good for clubs and all that.  But in terms of rap as party and music, for my money, nothing will ever beat the Beastie Boys' "Fight For Your Right To Party".  The ultimate party song, period.

All rap music doesn't have to be deep like Public Enemy or NWA....I just prefer it.  I just have a problem with Nelly for some reason...I tend to fit him into the same category as like Justin Timberlake or Britney Spears.  His music is very pop, but not in a good way.  There's a difference between good pop and bad, and Nelly is too N'Sync for my tastes.