Scott flips out.

[the dirt]

I don't know what could've happened if it had happened in USA. A court case because he hurt somebody because of this? Didn't it already happen to Sebastian Bach?

Yep, in 1989, Seb got hit with a bottle thrown by a man, and his response was to leap out into the crowd to kick the dude's ass, only he landed on top of a female fan who didn't throw the bottle, seriously injuring her.? The charges followed.

I believe Baz got hit in the head with a bottle thrown by a guy (and had a nasty gash, too)

So he picked up a bottle (the same one, or another, I don't know) and attempted to whip it at the guy. Unfortunatly, it smashed into the face of a girl that was next to him. Ugly...

And he paid for this through the nose.

[younggunner]

They also performed even though they were told to stop at the Leeds Festival.

Yea, now I remember that Axl rant about staying on later and giving the crowd a full show.Then he said if they kick us out, the? crowd might riot...or somethign to that effect. Cool lil rant....
Dug it up...here it is...
Well, it appears that we're gonna have an interesting evening. You see the... the city council and the promoters say we have to like end the show. And they'll say that I'm... they could say maybe I'm enciting a riot. Now I'm not 'cuz I don't want anyone to get arrested or anyone to get in trouble or anything like that. But I think we got a good 7 or 8 fucking songs left at least to play for you. And I didn't fucking come all the way to fucking England to be told to go back home by some fucking asshole! All I've got for the last 8 years is shit after shit after shit in the fucking press and Axl's this, Axl's that - I'm here to play a fucking show and we wanna play! So... if you wanna stay, I wanna stay and we'll see what happens. Everybody - nobody try to get in trouble or anything and try to have a good time

Bottom line is if the band wants to avoid these kinds of run ins, they shouldnt play gnr songs. If they continue to play them, there will always be peopel who chant GNR or whatver simply because they just reminded the crowd where they came from with a gnr cover. They should just drop them and add some more songs from their album such as YGNR

[jabba2]

I think when Scott sings "used to love her" its a bit over the top GNR. Scott should find another song to play. Im a GNR and Scott fan, but when i hear that song played...lets just say i dont enjoy it too much.

[Booker Floyd]

and he told you that in person eh??

Common sense actually...since the shows leading up that one were plagued with "Fuck Axl" chants, and not "Guns N' Roses"...

would he have been insulted and leave

Did you read the thread?  He didnt leave early...As for being insulted, I think its a safe bet that if fans are chanting something STP, GNR, or Axl-related over something VR-related, hes not going to be happy about it.

But they shouted the name of the band that made It's So Easy. It wasn't just a band member's name they were shouting you know....

Band member or band name, whats the difference?  Theyre chanting for something thats not there - whether its Guns N' Roses or Slash.  I could just as easily say, "But they shouted out the name of the guitarist that made that riff and solo" and the principle is no different.  And I could say, "Well if Axl doesnt want to hear about Slash, he shouldnt play the old songs".  But unlike you, Im not interested in justifying that kind of stupidity.  Yeah Guns N' Roses wrote "Its So Easy," and 3 of the guys were in GNR...that doesnt make the chants appropriate, or any less disrespectful.

Since you pointed out how we can't say Scott tried to hurt those fans, what if the same fans were shouting GN'R just because they wanted to hear Mr Brownstone and Used To Love Her?

Theyre idiots anyway?

Maybe he wasn't trying to hurt anybody, but it's quite stupid of him to throw it into the audience.

No arguement here.

Three of the GN'R members were in the Wings before they joined GN'R? Did I miss something?

What difference does that make?  Slash, Duff and Matt are no longer in Guns N' Roses, so chanting that at their Velvet Revolver concert is just as disrespectful.

[jarmo]

Sure it might be disrespectful, but you have to remember that VR isn't selling concert tickets based on their "masterpiece" Contraband alone over here in Europe. How do you explain all the GN'R shirts in the audiences?

A lot of people go see VR because of the GN'R connection. So if that pisses off Duff and Slash, maybe they should tell the fans to leave if they want to see a GN'R show? 



/jarmo

[Booker Floyd]

Sure it might be disrespectful, but you have to remember that VR isn't selling concert tickets based on their "masterpiece" Contraband alone over here in Europe. How do you explain all the GN'R shirts in the audiences?

A lot of people go see VR because of the GN'R connection. So if that pisses off Duff and Slash, maybe they should tell the fans to leave if they want to see a GN'R show??

 

It seems youve turned this into a completely different thing, because as far as I know, seeing VR because youre a GNR (Slash/Duff/Matt) fan isnt the same thing as chanting "GNR," does it?

[Bill 213]

Sure it might be disrespectful, but you have to remember that VR isn't selling concert tickets based on their "masterpiece" Contraband alone over here in Europe. How do you explain all the GN'R shirts in the audiences?

A lot of people go see VR because of the GN'R connection. So if that pisses off Duff and Slash, maybe they should tell the fans to leave if they want to see a GN'R show??

 

It seems youve turned this into a completely different thing, because as far as I know, seeing VR because youre a GNR (Slash/Duff/Matt) fan isnt the same thing as chanting "GNR," does it?

Regardless what points are brought up, there is no different thing.  It's all one big picture.  Axl and the new guns are of course always gonna be hassled because it's not the originals.   Regardless if Slash/Duff/Matt pull away and start a new band, they're still over half of the former Guns.  Hence shedding that image is gonna be impossible.  Did you think that just because they changed their name to Velvet Revolver (similar to Guns N Roses) that they could erase the GNR past?  Everytime I hear VR introduced the first thing said by either Letterman or whatever show is Featuring members of Guns N Roses.  Unfortunately they're not gonna be able to shed that image because of what GNR once was (the biggest band in the world)  and I think Tommy Stinson said it best when he said "we know people are here to see Axl and we're cool with that"   Scott was in a pretty popular band, but STP never came close to reaching the lengths of the world as GNR did.  So I think he should expect this and learn how to handle it.  And especially in a rock n roll crowd with people pumped up, do you think everyone is gonna be proper ?  Hell I was at Philadelphia for the little riot and those fans got out of hand before it was even known that Axl wasn't gonna be there.  They were booing Mix Master Mike something fierce, but he didn't throw his turntable at anyone.  Simply put, I kinda laugh when I see people blaming the crowd on this.  Sure they chanted, but that was it.  There was no crowd violence or throwing of glass bottles on stage. 

[younggunner]

Well said...

[jarmo]

It seems youve turned this into a completely different thing, because as far as I know, seeing VR because youre a GNR (Slash/Duff/Matt) fan isnt the same thing as chanting "GNR," does it?

Do you think those fans were STP fans then?

It's all tied together. Maybe those guys were unhappy with VR and this was their way off showing it?

Maybe they were happy because this was the first time they got to hear a GN'R track live?



/jarmo

[jrs2001_99]

It was a pretty daft thing for Scott to do, and it cannot be condoned at all. Sometimes I worry about the internal chemistry of VR; it all started out with good intentions, but I don't want shit like this to start popularity wars between Slash/Duff and Scott.

Would Scott have reacted the same way if guys were screaming for STP? I hope so, because that means that it isn't a simple case of petty jealousy on Scott's behalf because Slash, Duff and Matt are getting most of the attention from the crowds.

GNR were a huge, huge band in their day, and it'll take time for VR to shake the negativity that this part of the past brings with it, just like it'll take time for Axl's "new" band to be totally accepted, if and when they ever decide to venture into the spotlight again.

If VR ever decide to come to my small corner of the world, I'll be first in line for tickets, sporting a VR t-shirt.

Guns N' Roses was in the past... all the members of VR have accepted this, why can't the moronic fans at these shows do the same?

[Booker Floyd]

Regardless what points are brought up, there is no different thing.? It's all one big picture.? Axl and the new guns are of course always gonna be hassled because it's not the originals.? ?Regardless if Slash/Duff/Matt pull away and start a new band, they're still over half of the former Guns.? Hence shedding that image is gonna be impossible.? Did you think that just because they changed their name to Velvet Revolver (similar to Guns N Roses) that they could erase the GNR past?? Everytime I hear VR introduced the first thing said by either Letterman or whatever show is Featuring members of Guns N Roses.? Unfortunately they're not gonna be able to shed that image because of what GNR once was (the biggest band in the world)? and I think Tommy Stinson said it best when he said "we know people are here to see Axl and we're cool with that"? ?Scott was in a pretty popular band, but STP never came close to reaching the lengths of the world as GNR did.? So I think he should expect this and learn how to handle it.? And especially in a rock n roll crowd with people pumped up, do you think everyone is gonna be proper ?? Hell I was at Philadelphia for the little riot and those fans got out of hand before it was even known that Axl wasn't gonna be there.? They were booing Mix Master Mike something fierce, but he didn't throw his turntable at anyone.? Simply put, I kinda laugh when I see people blaming the crowd on this.? Sure they chanted, but that was it.? There was no crowd violence or throwing of glass bottles on stage.?

I understand all of this...however, that doesnt change the fact that those chanting "Guns N' Roses" during VRs set (or "Slash" during Axls) are assholes - plain and simple.? Like I said, Im not interested in justifying it or analyzing their motivation...theyre just assholes.?

Do you think those fans were STP fans then?

Again,?

Yes, they were GNR fans...But being a GNR fan at a VR show doesnt mean you have to chant for GNR.? Im sure Slash and Duff accept that many GNR fans are going to their shows...however, they dont have to accept their new band being disrespected by these fans, and neither does Scott.

Maybe those guys were unhappy with VR and this was their way off showing it?

Okay...

Ill be awaiting all of these justifications should GNR ever tour again and we hear the chants of "Slash".

[younggunner]

Ill be awaiting all of these justifications should GNR ever tour again and we hear the chants of "Slash".

There will be no justifications needed. Its a given that peopel will chant Slash just to be a dick. BUt in future GNr shows they will have less of an oppurtunity to do so because 1} they will have new fans and 2} they will be touring on and playing mostly CD material.

We also wont have Axl throwing microphones at those idiots. We might get a lil snappy comment, but thats about it. I dont think Axl lets people liek that bother him to much unless they start shooting off fireworks or throwing bottles.

[jarmo]

Ill be awaiting all of these justifications should GNR ever tour again and we hear the chants of "Slash".

Guns N' Roses = a band Slash was part of.

Slash = a guitar player who left the above group.

There's a difference.

They weren't telling Weiland he sucks and Axl rules or that they miss Axl.



/jarmo

[oldleadbelly]

I think there is one thing we can agree on...VR is a little more dangerous now that going to their concert could mean getting your teeth knocked out by a flying megaphone, haha.

[jarmo]

I think there is one thing we can agree on...VR is a little more dangerous now that going to their concert could mean getting your teeth knocked out by a flying megaphone, haha.

Oh, so that's the reason for him doing it.

Some publicity and the image of being dangerous.


/jarmo

[Booker Floyd]

Oh, so that's the reason for him doing it.

Some publicity and the image of being dangerous.

Exactly...All of that calculation was done in the seconds between the chants and tantrum. 

[Dizzy]

I believe Baz got hit in the head with a bottle thrown by a guy (and had a nasty gash, too)

So he picked up a bottle (the same one, or another, I don't know) and attempted to whip it at the guy. Unfortunatly, it smashed into the face of a girl that was next to him.

She was injured by the bottle, but Seb also lept into the crowd and crashed down on top of this dude and began pummeling him.? I saw the video footage of it on that VH-1 show "The Most Shocking Moments of Rock n Roll".