Velvet Revolver's next album

[Booker Floyd]

So u don't care about the lyrics and aren't looking for deep meaning in ur songs - Productions, lyrics etc really are irrlevant to u?

Has it occurred to you that people might actually like Weilands lyrics?

As for deep meanings, not only can meanings be attached to nearly every song on the album, but I suppose you must not care for AFD much, since most of it isnt deeply meaningful at all (unless youd like to outline the profundity of "Anything Goes"?).  You cant make sense of Weilands lyrics...thats too bad.  Its unfair to hold that against those who can.

And odd that you should bring up production again when he clearly stated he found nothing wrong with it.

That ur so easy to please doesn't really lend much credibility to your 'defence' of Contaband - and as for ur GNR bashing - well maybe there too complicated for u?

Thats a pretty arrogant attitude from someone who said

His album's are very good and i think with some serious promotion they would sell millions

Riiight...

So maybe you should consider the silliness of some of your own opinions before you start attacking others.

[Izzy]

Has it occurred to you that people might actually like Weilands lyrics?

Some people also like Hitler, the Spice Girls and George Bush - doesn't make any of them right either

I happen to like Weiland's style to a point - its just unless u have a astounding knowledge of the man and his 'advanetures' it makes understanding the songs impossible. That's not the end of the world - but surely it's a mark against it being a truly amazing album

Hand on heart - can u say the lyrics are superb? On topic, can u say the lyrics are (on average) as good as AFD or UYI is on average? That was what this conversation began with.

As for deep meanings, not only can meanings be attached to nearly every song on the album, but I suppose you must not care for AFD much, since most of it isnt deeply meaningful at all (unless youd like to outline the profundity of "Anything Goes"?).? You cant make sense of Weilands lyrics...thats too bad.? Its unfair to hold that against those who can.

Atleast one need not hold a degree in 'Weilandology' to understand them, atleast one can relate to songs like Anything goes - lol maybe a certain poster can't, sorry couldn't resist

That ur so easy to please doesn't really lend much credibility to your 'defence' of Contaband - and as for ur GNR bashing - well maybe there too complicated for u?

Thats a pretty arrogant attitude from someone who said

His album's are very good and i think with some serious promotion they would sell millions

Er...read what i said in full

His album's are very good and i think with some serious promotion they would sell millions - ultimatley his albums are Rolling Stones efforts under another name and judging from their continued success there is a market for that style.

There is a market for Rolling Stones esque music judging by their continued spectacular sales - Izzy's albums are very much in their style and also of a good standard, if u honestly believe Izzy with better promotion would fail to sell atleast a couple of million world wide then u really hold the man in very limited regard - if Cannibal Corpse can sell that many world wide u seriously believe Izzy could not?

So maybe you should consider the silliness of some of your own opinions before you start attacking others.

Lol

Claiming Contraband is a good album but has ample scope for improvment is silly? Okay - Contraband is perfection itself! That better? The lyrics aren't particularily amazing and the production could have been much better - that is an unreasonable view?

[TyRod Tulip]

Not to add fuel to the fire here, but it is my OPINION that songs like 'Anything Goes' and "You're Crazy, and "Think About You" could not have even made it onto Contraband because of really how bad they are.  I agree with the poster that is sick of people putting AFD on this huge pedestal.  It is a great album, but it is not flawless.  And some of the songs just reek of 1980's hair band like "Out ta Get Me" and parts of "It's So Easy" <------ namely the whole "Why don't you just FUCK OFF" part which is uber-gay.

As for lyrics...well I'll just say that if Axl would spend less time trying put out this deeply meaningful album, and more time rocking like he did with AFD, we would already have a kickass album by now.  I mean who the fuck listens to Rock and Roll to discover some deep meaning?  That's crazy talk folks.   

Contraband is excellent.  Their next effort will be even better IMO.

-TyRod-

[Dayle1066]

I agree with you about the rock n roll spirit etc. but what the fuck are you on a bout? every song on AFD is amazing.

[Izzy]

Not to add fuel to the fire here, but it is my OPINION that songs like 'Anything Goes' and "You're Crazy, and "Think About You" could not have even made it onto Contraband because of really how bad they are.? I agree with the poster that is sick of people putting AFD on this huge pedestal.? It is a great album, but it is not flawless.? And some of the songs just reek of 1980's hair band like "Out ta Get Me" and parts of "It's So Easy" <------ namely the whole "Why don't you just FUCK OFF" part which is uber-gay.

Damn. That's some of the most intense criticism of GNR i have ever seen - anywhere. Even on a Nirvana board i wouldn't expect to see that. I am actually stunned a man that has just said 5 of AFD's 12 songs are 'bad' visits a GNR board each week. Additionally how u can describe AFD as 'a great album' yet claim 40% is 'bad' is amazing.

May i inquire what GNR songs u actually like?

As for lyrics...well I'll just say that if Axl would spend less time trying put out this deeply meaningful album, and more time rocking like he did with AFD, we would already have a kickass album by now.

No we would have a series of average efforts.....

I mean who the fuck listens to Rock and Roll to discover some deep meaning?  That's crazy talk folks.   

Strange comment - not all rock music is just 45 min guitar solo's and a chorus which seems to suggest some people want slightly more from their music...

What made GNR great was that they could do the rock songs and also do a few more emotive number too - GNR are the thinking man's heavy metal.

Contraband is excellent.  Their next effort will be even better IMO.

Well atleast we can agree the next album will be better - of that i have no doubt.

[Falcon]

GNR are the thinking man's heavy metal.

I've heard GNR described as many things, but never, and I mean never the above.

[Izzy]

GNR are the thinking man's heavy metal.

I've heard GNR described as many things, but never, and I mean never the above.

U disagree?

Thinking man = clever

Songs like Estranged and Coma for example are most definetly lyrically and technically brilliant and appeal to those looking for a bit more from their music - GNR are far more than loud guitars and a high pitched singer. Only the more 'advanced' msuic listener is ever likley to get anything out of songs like breakdown and Locomotive.

GNR are heavy metal (i know, its such a loose category covering just about anything but atleast according to MTV the're heavy metal )

Anyway put the two together and u have GNR: the thinking man's heavy metal

For my next trick i will turn water...into funk!

[gypsy eyes]

Not to add fuel to the fire here, but it is my OPINION that songs like 'Anything Goes' and "You're Crazy, and "Think About You" could not have even made it onto Contraband because of really how bad they are.? I agree with the poster that is sick of people putting AFD on this huge pedestal.? It is a great album, but it is not flawless.? And some of the songs just reek of 1980's hair band like "Out ta Get Me" and parts of "It's So Easy" <------ namely the whole "Why don't you just FUCK OFF" part which is uber-gay.

incredibly bad songs?  just another 80s hair band?? It's So Easy, and in specific the line that influenced a generation GAY? 
i can't believe what im hearing... my poor aching heart
do you call yourself a fan? honestly now... wtf??

I mean who the fuck listens to Rock and Roll to discover some deep meaning?? That's crazy talk folks.?

errrr i do! i get sick when i hear some of the bs some rockers write... i love old skool rock 'n roll... but even in there there's some real crap! I LOVE gnr above other bands because they don't only rock, but they also write good lyrics and they have something to say... since them there hasn't been one band who was able to do the same... not ONLY the music is important, i love the RHCP but some of their lyrics are sooooo lame but that's fine, that's not what they're about, the lyrics... VR... well... if the guys could write like that in their 20s they should be able to do the same or even better when they're twice that age... 

[gypsy eyes]

GNR are the thinking man's heavy metal.

I've heard GNR described as many things, but never, and I mean never the above.

U disagree?

Thinking man = clever

Songs like Estranged and Coma for example are most definetly lyrically and technically brilliant and appeal to those looking for a bit more from their music - GNR are far more than loud guitars and a high pitched singer. Only the more 'advanced' msuic listener is ever likley to get anything out of songs like breakdown and Locomotive.

GNR are heavy metal (i know, its such a loose category covering just about anything but atleast according to MTV the're heavy metal )

Anyway put the two together and u have GNR: the thinking man's heavy metal

For my next trick i will turn water...into funk!

oh god i hate the term heavy metal, why does everyone always put gnr unedr heavy metal? 

but i totally agree with you... from alot of rockbands im already happy if they have good music... after all Pink Floyd meant well when they wrote Wish You Were Here, a real beauty, but you have to be stoned to see what they really mean with stuff like "we're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bole" 
but guns was amazing when it came to lyrics... and not just casue of Axl... coma is one of my fav songs by them... i like all songs but that one jumps out, even more than any song on Appetite, because it doesn't only rock, it's also sensitive and the lyrics are just amazing!

[Thorned Rose]

Not to add fuel to the fire here, but it is my OPINION that songs like 'Anything Goes' and "You're Crazy, and "Think About You" could not have even made it onto Contraband because of really how bad they are.? I agree with the poster that is sick of people putting AFD on this huge pedestal.? It is a great album, but it is not flawless.? And some of the songs just reek of 1980's hair band like "Out ta Get Me" and parts of "It's So Easy" <------ namely the whole "Why don't you just FUCK OFF" part which is uber-gay.

As for lyrics...well I'll just say that if Axl would spend less time trying put out this deeply meaningful album, and more time rocking like he did with AFD, we would already have a kickass album by now.? I mean who the fuck listens to Rock and Roll to discover some deep meaning?? That's crazy talk folks.? ?

Contraband is excellent.? Their next effort will be even better IMO.

-TyRod-

We are the same, did you read my post on page 1 here? We're alike I"m glad I"m not the only one.

[Falcon]

U disagree?

To a degree, yes. 

 

Only the more 'advanced' msuic listener is ever likley to get anything out of songs like breakdown and Locomotive.

That's a bit condescending don't you think?  Maybe the songs you mentioned above have different meanings to different listeners and no meaning whatsoever to others.  Taste is hardly an exact science, brilliance for some is drivel to another.   

[Doc Emmett Brown]

Not to add fuel to the fire here, but it is my OPINION that songs like 'Anything Goes' and "You're Crazy, and "Think About You" could not have even made it onto Contraband because of really how bad they are.?

Alright, and it is my OPINION that at least the songs you mentioned sound different from each other, whereas many of the songs on Contraband have this muddy 'what-track-number-are-we-on-right-now' feel to them... especially the first 5 songs. 

While I enjoy CB, I cannot commend it on the uniqueness of each song.  Maybe you dont care about it, but I like to get my money's worth for 12 individual songs.

I agree with the poster that is sick of people putting AFD on this huge pedestal.? It is a great album, but it is not flawless.?

Sure, but this is a GNR board after all.     It's not AFD's fault that you got tired of it after listening to it so many times.  It's not AFD's fault that it sold like 15 million copies in the US and therefore deserves to be on a pedestal even if you get sick of it.

And some of the songs just reek of 1980's hair band like "Out ta Get Me" and parts of "It's So Easy" <------ namely the whole "Why don't you just FUCK OFF" part which is uber-gay.

So you're saying parts of AFD sound dated.  Fine.  But STP's Core sounds dated now, and so will CB.  Is anyone going to care that Dirty Little Thing was about Paris Hilton when she's old and her boobs are sagging?  And Contraband "reeks" of late-90s/millenial production & mixing.   

Let's reserve "uber-gay" as a description of heroin addictions, silver pants, and wearing cop hats even though the 80's glam era is way over.  Throw in jamaican-style braids in there as well.

Contraband is excellent.? Their next effort will be even better IMO.

Contraband is pretty good.  Their next effort should be better since they will have gelled more.

[TyRod Tulip]

Only the more 'advanced' music listener is ever likley to get anything out of songs like breakdown and Locomotive.

This is hysterical.  I can see most of everyone's points here after my previous post, even if I don't agree with them, but this is brilliant. 

"Breakdown! ...  Let me here you now."

It must take some "advanced" music listener to understand those lyrics.  Are you for real?

"Everything was roses while we held onto the guns."

Astonishing oomplex.    I am not smart enough to get what he meaning here ... what could he be saying?  Please dude.

AFD is good, but it isn't even GNR's best album.

-TyRod-

[Booker Floyd]

While I enjoy CB, I cannot commend it on the uniqueness of each song.? Maybe you dont care about it, but I like to get my money's worth for 12 individual songs.

 

I just cant see that...Whats similar about any of the first 5 tracks?  I understand that most of them are pretty fast, but thats about it.  "STB" sounds like "Big Machine"?  "DIFTK" sounds like "Illegal i Song"?  Again, cant see it.

Sure, but this is a GNR board after all.? ? ?It's not AFD's fault that you got tired of it after listening to it so many times.? It's not AFD's fault that it sold like 15 million copies in the US and therefore deserves to be on a pedestal even if you get sick of it.

I also find Tyrods opinion on AFD off-base.  If theres one album deserving of being put on a pedestal, its AFD.  And it certainly is GNRs best album.

Is anyone going to care that Dirty Little Thing was about Paris Hilton when she's old and her boobs are sagging?

Thats irrelevant...If her name was mentioned in the song, youd have a point, but as an inspiration for the lyrics, its no different than Erin Everly inspiring the lyrics for "SCOM".  Nobody would call that song dated because its about Axls ex-wife...

Youre talking about two different concepts - sound and content.  I dont find either records to be dated in either department.

? And Contraband "reeks" of late-90s/millenial production & mixing.

 

Care to elaborate?  Its relatively light on actual production (effects and such).? ?

[RichardNixon]

UYI2 is GN'R best album

[gypsy eyes]

what's their best album is a matter of taste, don't bitch about that please... but i can tell you that if a record of 12 simple songs blows me away so i listen to that record and only that record for 5 and a half months in a row, non stop, and im still not sick of it, that's a damn good record imo!

Only the more 'advanced' music listener is ever likley to get anything out of songs like breakdown and Locomotive.

This is hysterical.? I can see most of everyone's points here after my previous post, even if I don't agree with them, but this is brilliant.?

"Breakdown! ...? Let me here you now."

It must take some "advanced" music listener to understand those lyrics.? Are you for real?

"Everything was roses while we held onto the guns."

Astonishing oomplex.? ? I am not smart enough to get what he meaning here ... what could he be saying?? Please dude.

breakdown and locomotive are two great songs with great lyrics, but another thing they have in common is that the chorus is just 
but still their lyrics top 90% of non-GnR lyrics out there... but if you prefer Brintey Spears that's your right 

and you quoted a piece of breakdown, about the roses and the guns thingy...? i had those lyrics (not just that line) on one of my school books and i had more than one person asking me wth that meant... so yeah for you it may be nothing, but lots of people out there REALLY don't see the meaning of those lyrics

[Izzy]

Only the more 'advanced' music listener is ever likley to get anything out of songs like breakdown and Locomotive.

This is hysterical.? I can see most of everyone's points here after my previous post, even if I don't agree with them, but this is brilliant.?

"Breakdown! ...? Let me here you now."

It must take some "advanced" music listener to understand those lyrics.? Are you for real?

"Everything was roses while we held onto the guns."

Astonishing oomplex.? ? I am not smart enough to get what he meaning here ... what could he be saying?? Please dude.

AFD is good, but it isn't even GNR's best album.

-TyRod-

Lol - u completely misread what i wrote

Where did i say the lyrics are difficult to understand?

I said only the more advanced music listeners will get anything from those songs because they are not just a few solo's and a chorus - they have depth, they ain't 'radio friendly'.

Also i have spent this whole thread saying that lyrics that are gibberish ain't the sign of a good lyricist.....

Ps. Breakdown isn't on AFD.......

[Izzy]

Only the more 'advanced' msuic listener is ever likley to get anything out of songs like breakdown and Locomotive.

That's a bit condescending don't you think?? Maybe the songs you mentioned above have different meanings to different listeners and no meaning whatsoever to others.? Taste is hardly an exact science, brilliance for some is drivel to another.? ?

Perhaps it is a bit condescending - but i think its also the truth, must rock fans won't get anthing from that because they're just after something far more basic

Taste certainly isn't an exact science but i think we can both agree these songs are technically superb regardless of whether or not we enjoy them

[Mikkamakka]

Why does it happen again and again that every topic goes to a really weird direction? What the hell the boring Breakdown has got to do with the next VR album? I can't understand.

[RichardNixon]

"Funny how everything was Roses when we held onto the Guns, Just because your winnin' don't mean your the lucy ones."

I had that quote in my high school year-book. The first part refers to the fact that every in-group was hositle to one another, when there was no reason to be as we were all just in highschool. The second part, about winning, reffers to the fact that even if you are a gym hero, or a jock, or on the honnor roll now, and I am not, maybe in the future you'll be doing as poorly as me.