Calling All Americans!

[BurningHills]

Here's my take on all of this.

Firstly, like many others I supported Bush from the beginning. I even supported the Iraq war based on the knowledge that we were given. I mean, hell, we got Saddam, so that's worth something no matter what. I do believe however, that any invasion of Iraq could have/should have waited at the very least until after we got Bin Laden. He was and still is public enemy #1 as far as I'm concerned.

Now, yes, we have Saddam. So you know what? Let's get the fuck out of Iraq and get the troops back home. We handed control back over, and now we're out of reasons to be there. We did whatever job we were supposed to do there, so let's get everyone home safely.

At this point, I don't know who the better choice is. Both Bush AND Kerry are for the draft. And you know what? I don't feel like being TOLD by someone that I have to go fight a war that has run its course, and I have too much going right in my life for once at this point that I don't feel like ending up on desert sand with a bullet through my skull. Kerry wants to get 40,000 troops, yet he doesn't want to go to the National Guard? What the fuck? They're both full of shit at this point and I really don't think one is better than the other. Since this is going to be my first time voting, someone better give me a damn good motherfucking reason for me to vote for them. All politicians are liars anyway, so right now, neither one is looking all that good to me.

I still stand by this: Whichever one can honestly say that they are against a military draft and can stick to that will have my vote. Unless you're in my age category and feel the same way I do (i.e., not wanting to fucking die), then don't even bother responding, because you have no clue whatsoever.

-Jeff

[Doc Emmett Brown]

Here's my take on all of this.

Firstly, like many others I supported Bush from the beginning. I even supported the Iraq war based on the knowledge that we were given. I mean, hell, we got Saddam, so that's worth something no matter what. I do believe however, that any invasion of Iraq could have/should have waited at the very least until after we got Bin Laden. He was and still is public enemy #1 as far as I'm concerned.

I agree with you on this part.   Everyone now says that Bush/Cheney/Condi never explicitly stated a connection btwn Saddam and 911.  In that case, ousting Saddam does not prevent Bin Laden from executing another 911 because he (bin Laden) is still alive and free!! 

Now, yes, we have Saddam. So you know what? Let's get the fuck out of Iraq and get the troops back home. We handed control back over, and now we're out of reasons to be there. We did whatever job we were supposed to do there, so let's get everyone home safely.

We got Saddam, but what about all the Al Qaeda people who ties to Saddam? (according to Bush)  Did we catch all of them?  any of them?  Or did they escape down a rabbit hole?

I think we should stay until we know the new Iraqi government doesnt collapse and lose to an Al Qaeda dictator/warlord.  Otherwise all our efforts to prevent Iraq from being a breeding ground for terrorists would be in vain. 

At this point, I don't know who the better choice is. Both Bush AND Kerry are for the draft. And you know what? I don't feel like being TOLD by someone that I have to go fight a war that has run its course, and I have too much going right in my life for once at this point that I don't feel like ending up on desert sand with a bullet through my skull.

Well, very few pro-war people actually want to stand in the frontlines to defend the country - they'll tell you they can serve their country in better ways than being out in a trench.   And who can blame them? 

Frankly, I doubt either Bush or Kerry would actually reinstate the draft.  Because that would make him a very unpopular president.  It's much safer politically to just round up all the poor people and send them off to war.

[Miz]

Firstly, like many others I supported Bush from the beginning. I even supported the Iraq war based on the knowledge that we were given.

Knowledge you were given?  More like lies that you swallowed.  How anyone believed any of the reasons Bush or Blair gave for the war is beyond me.

Now, yes, we have Saddam. So you know what? Let's get the fuck out of Iraq and get the troops back home. We handed control back over, and now we're out of reasons to be there. We did whatever job we were supposed to do there, so let's get everyone home safely.

Nice.  Real nice.  The only reason that our "leaders" have left is that we went to war to liberate Iraq, and free them from Saddam.  Why?  Because Saddam tortured them, and made them suffer.  What do you think is happening there now?  Do you think it's the land of milk and honey?  Just because there was a report on the news, and they've got a president, it doesn't mean they have control.  No-one has control.  The troops are the only thing keeping terrorists taking control of Iraq.  Pull out now?  Yeah, great plan...

At this point, I don't know who the better choice is. Both Bush AND Kerry are for the draft. And you know what? I don't feel like being TOLD by someone that I have to go fight a war that has run its course, and I have too much going right in my life for once at this point that I don't feel like ending up on desert sand with a bullet through my skull. Kerry wants to get 40,000 troops, yet he doesn't want to go to the National Guard? What the fuck? They're both full of shit at this point and I really don't think one is better than the other. Since this is going to be my first time voting, someone better give me a damn good motherfucking reason for me to vote for them. All politicians are liars anyway, so right now, neither one is looking all that good to me.

Not everything is about the war.  Kerry and Bush have different ideas about other things you know.

I still stand by this: Whichever one can honestly say that they are against a military draft and can stick to that will have my vote. Unless you're in my age category and feel the same way I do (i.e., not wanting to fucking die), then don't even bother responding, because you have no clue whatsoever.

Um...do you think anyone wants to die?

[Prometheus]

ya know what night train, man, everytime you come on you do the same thing that you are accusing me of, "case of the pot calling kettle black?"

seriously u attack everything that people try and do, then say you dont, you say its valid points, but when you go on the same topic 1 milllion times and say the same thing and are not open to the possiblty that you could be wrong that makes you arrogrant, the fact that my opnion can be swayed, makes me objective, the fact that "amercia is the greatest" , and everywhere eles wants what amercia has is arrogrant. I dont want private health care, i dont want shooting on every cornor, i dont want racial biais, I want the potpouri not the melting pot of cultures you so proudly call home. frankly Canada Owns you when it comes to social issues, you can make this a my cock is bigger then yours, but it dont get you anywhere.


FYI foreigners can own properity in many coountries in the world NOT just the US!

[GnRNightrain]

ya know what night train, man, everytime you come on you do the same thing that you are accusing me of, "case of the pot calling kettle black?"

I debate the topics, you dont.? Read your last post to this thread, there is no substance to it what so ever.? It is just an attack at me cause you disagree with me.? It makes you look dumb when you attack me instead of debating the issue and refuting what I say.

seriously u attack everything that people try and do, then say you dont, you say its valid points, but when you go on the same topic 1 milllion times and say the same thing and are not open to the possiblty that you could be wrong

Thats not true at all.? I only try to point out the facts, and refute things that are absolutely not true.? Point out one fact that I have posted that is not true.? Please.
Ive never said that there isnt complete valid arguments against the war in Iraq.? I only refute some of the ridiculous conspiracy theories that are based on false information.?
Example:
-Bush said that suddam was involved in 911

I also try and point out and refute things that make no sense to me:
-those that say there was no valid evidence of WMDs
-why some back some humanitarian missions and not others
-why some say that there is no threat to the US anymore
I could go on and on and on

that makes you arrogrant,

Cause you disagree with me

the fact that my opnion can be swayed, makes me objective,

Your opinion hasnt swayed in regards to the war in Iraq, neither has mine.? But Im arrogant and your not.? If you will see there are many on your side that dont change your opinion also, but because you disagree with me I am the arrogant one.? I feel Im very open minded, and will notice that if you read some of the other threads that I post in.

the fact that "amercia is the greatest" ,

I never sit and say that on this board.? But I do believe it.? DOnt you believe it about your country?? If I didnt think it was the greatest I would go move to where I thought was the greatest.? There is nothing wrong with national pride.? I hope that you think that your country is the greatest.?

and everywhere eles wants what amercia has is arrogrant.

Your ridiculous, you are putting words in my mouth.? Where have I ever said this?? You are just pissed because I pointed out that you made an idiotic post.
However, we do have a lot of things that a lot of countries do want.? So does your country.? So do many other countries.? Many people around the world are hungry, have no jobs, and live in dictatorships where the average person dies at the age of 20 of some disease.? That doesnt happen in my country or yours, so people do want we have been lucky enough to have.

I dont want private health care,

I dont remember ever arguing health care with you.? Because I have refuted ridiculous contentions about the war I am:
1)arrogant
2)I think everyone wants what the US has
3)I think we are the greatest country in the world

Keep going . . .

i dont want shooting on every cornor, i dont want racial biais,

And these are things that I want?? Please point out to me where I challenged you to compare our countries?? If you want to debate these issues I would be happy to, but dont try and put words in my mouth.

frankly Canada Owns you when it comes to social issues, you can make this a my cock is bigger then yours, but it dont get you anywhere.

If you read this entire thread you will notice that you are the one attacking the US.? I never said we are better than anyone.? I never put down any other country.? All I see is your antiamericanism coming through, because I never gave you any reason to make such a ridiculous post yet you chose to just bash the US on your own.

So you dont like the US and want to live somewhere else.? Thats fine.? The US isnt for everyone, but a lot of people sure seem to like it, I being one of them.?

I dont know how Canada got into this conversation, but I disagree with you that they own us on social issues.?

FYI foreigners can own properity in many coountries in the world NOT just the US!

Please tell me where the fuck you are getting your shit from in this post.? Is there some mysterious post that you are responding to that I wrote while I was drugged out on LSD?? I dont know where I ever brought up owning property, let alone compared the US to one other country in this thread.

[Informer4.0]

I still stand by this: Whichever one can honestly say that they are against a military draft and can stick to that will have my vote. Unless you're in my age category and feel the same way I do (i.e., not wanting to fucking die), then don't even bother responding, because you have no clue whatsoever.

-Jeff

That's great and everything. But it doesn't answer the question to the original post now does it?

[Informer4.0]

Well, very few pro-war people actually want to stand in the frontlines to defend the country - they'll tell you they can serve their country in better ways than being out in a trench.? ?And who can blame them??

This is my point. Although NONE of the people I'd like to see come to this thread really did. Which says it all. No I don't blame anybody for not wanting to get shot at. But that is the point, what they forgot, the value and importance of human life. If they think about their ass getting blown up all of a sudden the 'call to duty' can wait. I hope those reading can see what hypocrites these pro-war bullies have been over the last year during all this. I really want to make that point. Not one person came forward and said they were signing up and going to fight, and that they had been, and still are in favor of the war. NOT ONE.

Remember these pro-war posters called us "traitors, un-American, Bush-haters" etc etc etc. Just like faux news anchors liked to call the anti-war groups. Bully tactics pure and simple. A shame, but it is what it is. So all these people who claimed war was the only way, and we didn't love our country if we didn't agree with them (or we could leave) are where now? NOT HERE that's for sure.

[KeVoRkIaN]

Interesting read - although I can't get by the fact Christian and Science are mentioned in the same phrase unless talking about the dark ages.  I just can't pick up that paper......

[Informer4.0]

Interesting read - although I can't get by the fact Christian and Science are mentioned in the same phrase unless talking about the dark ages.? I just can't pick up that paper......

I used that as my 'source' (more of reference really) because it was not of the liberal media. All the conservatives would cry foul if I posted a link to MichaelMoore.com. It helps drive home my point being something from their side of the fence. Tougher for them to attack it too.

[2007what!]

yeah, let's send more young people with promising futures to be shot to death in the middle east over nothing. good idea. you're a really good person.
i'm sure the families of the young people you encourage to be victims of civil war and mass murder will think of both you and george w. bush as heroes.

[2007what!]

oh, after reading more of the thread i figured the original post must have been sarcastic.
well yeah if the pro-war people want war then go down there and fight it yourselves, don't push young gullible soldiers ahead of you. go on, get shot. if you are stupid to even believe bush' lies for one second then the world won't miss you anyway.

[The Dog]

What was the point of bumping this? 

[2007what!]

because i was looking through threads and found the idiotism blinding so i had to say something.

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

yeah ! bump bump bump !!!  thats the sounds of the 50's as they're hitting in my trunk  !!!

bump bump bump !!!

[The Dog]

because i was looking through threads and found the idiotism blinding so i had to say something.

um, yeah, but the last post is like 2.5 years ago.....

[2112]

because i was looking through threads and found the idiotism blinding so i had to say something.

um, yeah, but the last post is like 2.5 years ago.....

he can't help.
he is a racist.

and this is a sad thread

[SLCPUNK]

he is a racist.

Who is racist?

[2007what!]

what  the fuck? racist?
that's the second time you've insulted me without reason today. what the fuck is your problem?
i'm just gonna ignore your posts from now on, as you have no credibility what so ever.

[Axlfreek]

Military personal have been called back to Iraq after their time is up. Many about to retire have also had to come back for yet another stint. The link below touches on a few different aspects of this. It is clear that the military has itself spread rather thin here, and one thing is for sure: The USA needs all the military help it can get right now.

So I am calling on you: My Fellow Americans. Those of you who have: Supported Bush this entire time, supported this 'war' in Iraq, and who honestly believe that the Saddam/Osama connection is the God's honest truth. I am asking for your help for these Americans who are laying down their life for what you believe is the truth.

I am asking that you go down to the nearest military branch (your choice, this is America, we have all kinds of choices here, it's great isn't it?) and sign up tomorrow. At the very least, you could sign up as a reservist, if you had a really busy schedule, I understand. Hey...I'm busy too! But remember it appears that many of the reservists are going over as well now, because our military is thin now.

If you choose not to sign up to join your brothers (and sisters) in the war against terror, I am requesting you post WHY you will not be willing to serve your country at this time. Please explain to me in full detail why YOU would not be willing to put your life on hold (and most certainly on the line) to hlep out your country, and the men and women who help to defend it. They need your help, and so do their families.

Thank you and God Bless.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0513/p03s01-usmi.html

I'm diabetic. Sorry pal.

[2112]

what  the fuck? racist?
that's the second time you've insulted me without reason today. what the fuck is your problem?
i'm just gonna ignore your posts from now on, as you have no credibility what so ever.

if you are going to questionize my abilities in the english language, when I dont heir from an englishspeaking country, i define you as a racist.