Calling All Americans!

[Informer4.0]

Military personal have been called back to Iraq after their time is up. Many about to retire have also had to come back for yet another stint. The link below touches on a few different aspects of this. It is clear that the military has itself spread rather thin here, and one thing is for sure: The USA needs all the military help it can get right now.

So I am calling on you: My Fellow Americans. Those of you who have: Supported Bush this entire time, supported this 'war' in Iraq, and who honestly believe that the Saddam/Osama connection is the God's honest truth. I am asking for your help for these Americans who are laying down their life for what you believe is the truth.

I am asking that you go down to the nearest military branch (your choice, this is America, we have all kinds of choices here, it's great isn't it?) and sign up tomorrow. At the very least, you could sign up as a reservist, if you had a really busy schedule, I understand. Hey...I'm busy too! But remember it appears that many of the reservists are going over as well now, because our military is thin now.

If you choose not to sign up to join your brothers (and sisters) in the war against terror, I am requesting you post WHY you will not be willing to serve your country at this time. Please explain to me in full detail why YOU would not be willing to put your life on hold (and most certainly on the line) to hlep out your country, and the men and women who help to defend it. They need your help, and so do their families.

Thank you and God Bless.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0513/p03s01-usmi.html

[loretian]

Well, given that noone has claimed a Saddam - Al Quada acconection in such that you have claimed so far, I will not agree.

Can you imagine the shit Bush would be faced with now if he had ignored that the warnings, the implications, everything that the intelligence agency told him?

I still stand by Bush, and I can find no fault in his decision making.  Look in the past all you want, but what happened, happened.

I will attempt to give you a better response in the morning, if so is requested, or something.  

[Oddy]

ah informer  4.0 , now that post was fucking genius. pure genius i say!   its gonna really stir the shit.

i'd really like to see how the pro war people respond.

[Informer4.0]

I will attempt to give you a better response in the morning, if so is requested, or something.  

Please do, because your post confused me....

[Informer4.0]

ah informer  4.0 , now that post was fucking genius. pure genius i say!   its gonna really stir the shit.

i'd really like to see how the pro war people respond.

LOL, I thought we could get a better understanding here. I know Hannity and O'reilly are too old to fight. I know damn well they would if they could, it's just bad timing for them.   But these younger pro-war guys here, I need to know if they can give America the help it needs right now.

[Prometheus]

ya know what, I would go and enlist if I were amercian, not for BUSH and his ideals but for his army military that has to follow and enforce his decsions.

[Miz]

Well, given that noone has claimed a Saddam - Al Quada acconection in such that you have claimed so far, I will not agree.

I'm confused, what do you mean?

Can you imagine the shit Bush would be faced with now if he had ignored that the warnings, the implications, everything that the intelligence agency told him?

I can imagine what would have happened if Bush hadn't done something to cover up the fact that we're no closer to finding Bin Laden now than we we're three years ago, and that hardly anything has been done to break up the al-qaeda networks.

I still stand by Bush, and I can find no fault in his decision making.  Look in the past all you want, but what happened, happened.

You find no fault in the fact that he told the world that Saddam had WMD's, when he knew and the CIA knew they didn't?  That he let Colin Powell stand in congress, in front of national TV cameras, and point at blurred photo's and say "here you can clearly see a biological weapons factory"?

I will attempt to give you a better response in the morning, if so is requested, or something.  

This might be a good idea...

[loretian]

I'm confused, what do you mean?

There was links between Saddam and Al Quada.  Noone in Bush's administration claimed Saddam was somehow connected with Sept. 11th.  Gore claims Bush is trying to implant that idea into people's mind, by, shockingly enough, doing something so devious as stating the facts as they were (which the U.N. report backed up).

I can imagine what would have happened if Bush hadn't done something to cover up the fact that we're no closer to finding Bin Laden now than we we're three years ago, and that hardly anything has been done to break up the al-qaeda networks.

I know you think everything Bush does is part of a conspiracy to trick people, but I still can find no fault in how Bush has handled the situations.  I don't know everything that's happened or went on, or which possible missed opportunities he's had on catching Bin Laden, but I'm pretty sure he's been doing his best.  I don't really believe Al Gore would have caught Bin Laden by now, either.

You find no fault in the fact that he told the world that Saddam had WMD's, when he knew and the CIA knew they didn't?  That he let Colin Powell stand in congress, in front of national TV cameras, and point at blurred photo's and say "here you can clearly see a biological weapons factory"?

Well, I don't know where you're getting the fact that Bush knew there was no WMDs.  He was very open about the information and why he believed they had WMDs, Saddam had WMDs in the past, he wouldn't tell us where they were, and he wouldn't allow inspectors to check his country for them.  It makes sense to me.  Even the 9/11 commission didn't find fault in Bush over the WMDs.  So you can either believe Michael Moore, or whoever you're getting your information from, regardless of what official information we have, because you think all those democrats are in Bush's pocket, or.... believe something more logicial.  

[Informer4.0]

Why are you getting all off subject?

Why not answer the original post?

This has, and is, being discussed in other threads.

Will you put your life on hold and volunteer to go fight in this war you support?

You are a young man loretian. Why not go serve your country? You can always come back to school afterwards right?

Don't avoid the question and try to hijack the thread.

Why can't you pro-war guys answer my simple question?

Will you put your money where your mouth is and sign up for the military? If NOT why?

[loretian]

Don't avoid the question and try to hijack the thread.

Why can't you pro-war guys answer my simple question?

I wasn't trying to avoid the question, I was just getting at some of what you were saying, as far as the Osama/Saddam connection.  I mean, come on, the U.N. even agrees with Bush on this, and you state it like "and honestly believe the Saddam/Osama connection."  Who doesn't?  Anyone who doesn't isn't aware of the facts.  But I see your point, and I'm sorry, I did get a little off track.  

I'd also like to say, I don't think anyone is pro-war.  That's like saying people are "pro-abortion" - nobody wants it, some of us just think it's a necessary evil.  I happen to believe if you don't stand up and fight for what you believe in, someone will tear it away from you, and peace cannot come without war.  Yes, I know you disagree that what Bush is doing isn't "fighting for what's right" or anything, I just have a problem being labeled "pro-war."

Nevertheless, it's a valid question.

Will you put your money where your mouth is and sign up for the military? If NOT why?

They won't let me join them.   I test positive for certain drugs.  My younger brother is going to join in a year.

Assuming the drugs were not a factor, if I felt like I could do more out there in the military, I would join.  We are not in a state where we must "fight or die", and as so long as that's not the case, we need people to continue to run the country.  The company I work for depends heavily on me, and even though I've considered quitting at times, I have to weigh a lot of factors.  If I didn't have the job I have where people depend on me, and I was drug free, I'd probably join.  It's something I've seriously considered.

By the way, I'm not in school.

[DRUNK]

I don't appreciate this wise ass post from Informer.  Trying to pull a Michael Moore copy, and it's stupid.

Anybody being called back up has a contractual obligation to do so.  They are fully aware of this when they sign up.  Stop trying to make it seem like these people are being forced against their will.

By the way, the military is meeting and exceeding their recruitment needs.  There are no problems on that front, despite what you may think.


As far as I go.  When Bush gets re elected, there's a very good chance I am joining the Marines, so go fuck yourself.

[Informer4.0]

I don't appreciate this wise ass post from Informer.  Trying to pull a Michael Moore copy, and it's stupid.

Anybody being called back up has a contractual obligation to do so.  They are fully aware of this when they sign up.  Stop trying to make it seem like these people are being forced against their will.

By the way, the military is meeting and exceeding their recruitment needs.  There are no problems on that front, despite what you may think.


As far as I go.  When Bush gets re elected, there's a very good chance I am joining the Marines, so go fuck yourself.

I didn't say that people are being forced against their will. Don't try to twist what I am saying around. They are being re-upped because we have a shortage in our military. Besides I took the article from a Christian, right wing magazine so you crybabies could not scream "liberal". But you still managed to pull MM's name out of all this. Proving that you didn't read the link, or look at the source for the article (which would be something up your alley anyway). And instead just used a quick cop-out and attacked me on a personal level comparing me to your evil (I like to call him patriotic) Michael Moore.

You don't like the wise ass approach then too bad. Sorry I hurt your sensitive little FEELING. You should make a rock solid marine with how sensative you are.

Good way to avoid the question and attack me personally"Go fuck yourself" was very intelligent and original I might add. Did you copy that from the Vice President's don't-know-what-to-say-so-tell-'em-to-fuck-off move the other week? He just told a Democratic to 'fuck himself' too! Man you guys are all alike. I guess it all starts at the top and works its way down.

Loretian...read the 9-11 report? Iran is now the central focus and it turns out that (suprise) Iraq never had connections to Osama. If you want to debate me on that, go to the other thread I started ABOUT THAT. But that is neither here nor there. You can pick apart my question if you'd like. But it was a simple question. If you believe in this war, then you are pro-war. It's pretty simple. I'm not defining you as a person who likes to kill or condones violence in all situations. I am being pretty straight forward here. So save the kid stuff for the highschool debate team and approach my question in an adult manner. I.E. don't pick it apart to avoid the fuckin' question.

So DRUNK why not sign up now? Why wait to see if Bush is the president once more? Why didn't you answer my question?

You know what they say DRUNK: that once you have started with personal attacks it just proves you don't have an argument.

So calm down and answer my question!

I mean, why aren't you signing up now? I will tell you why: Because you don't want to go over there and see fuckin' action that is why! You guys will all come out and say how right Bush is, and how war is the only way, and ignore facts. But when it is time to pony up and YOUR ASS is on the line then it becomes "next year", and "If Bush is re-elected". What a crock of shit!

You guys don't put your money where you mouth is. I'd bet you any amount of money you wanted (held by a neutral third party in a paypal account) that if 1) Bush were re-elected, and 2) The war was still going on, that 3) You WOULD NOT join the Marines. No fuckin' way pal. I'd put any amount of money down on that you want.

[Informer4.0]

Don't avoid the question and try to hijack the thread.

Why can't you pro-war guys answer my simple question?

I wasn't trying to avoid the question, I was just getting at some of what you were saying, as far as the Osama/Saddam connection.  I mean, come on, the U.N. even agrees with Bush on this, and you state it like "and honestly believe the Saddam/Osama connection."  Who doesn't?  Anyone who doesn't isn't aware of the facts.  But I see your point, and I'm sorry, I did get a little off track.  

I'd also like to say, I don't think anyone is pro-war.  That's like saying people are "pro-abortion" - nobody wants it, some of us just think it's a necessary evil.  I happen to believe if you don't stand up and fight for what you believe in, someone will tear it away from you, and peace cannot come without war.  Yes, I know you disagree that what Bush is doing isn't "fighting for what's right" or anything, I just have a problem being labeled "pro-war."

Nevertheless, it's a valid question.

Will you put your money where your mouth is and sign up for the military? If NOT why?

 We are not in a state where we must "fight or die"

No, but we are in a state where the people who joined the armed forces have been asked to go above and beyond what was originally expected of them. Because the military is low right now.

So you can sit home and support a war, and at the same time ask these brave men and women to endanger their lives more than they should? While other pro-war supporters won't step up to the plate to fill that gap? Where is the "support for the troops" I've been hearing about all this time? I guess it's just a verbal hurray for them?

Nobody going to step up to the plate and help your fellow Americans out?

Two excuses so far. Keep 'em coming.

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

iraq is damn too hot in august, i think november would be a cool time to go to war.

[Will]

so go fuck yourself.

How about you calm down and don't insult members of the board? This is in the board rules. You can disagree with someone but not insult them.

[loretian]

Two excuses so far. Keep 'em coming.

You call it an excuse, yet you completely ignored most of what I said.  Basically, no matter what reason anyone gives for not going out to fight, you're going to claim it's an excuse - as if the only acceptable thing to do is you believe in the war on terror is to go out and join the military.

You're not asking for a reasonable debate, you just want to be shitty.  I'll keep this in mind next time you start a thread like this, and won't bother posting.  Let me know if I'm wrong.  

[GnRNightrain]

Cause Im sure most on the left are always to willing to go be peace keepers in the humanitarian efforts they always espouse.

Your laughable

Besides I am serving my country right now Informer.  Are you?

[GnRNightrain]

You're not asking for a reasonable debate, you just want to be shitty.  I'll keep this in mind next time you start a thread like this, and won't bother posting.  Let me know if I'm wrong.  

No your right.  He makes his guerilla warfare like posts and then leaves a thread.  It usually happens right after you take the effort to refute every ridiculous contention he makes.

Reasonable debate is not something INformer is capable of.  He has said it himself on other posts.  How he is not interested in debating, but just trying to piss people off.  I would definately suggest ignoring his posts.  Its not worth bothering.  We get some great debates on this board with people on all sides of the spectrum.  Informer is not one of them.

[Oddy]

so night train are you currently enlisted in the army?

i don't see why you're all getting angry at informer, his post had a valid question. Forget where he got his info from and all that. It makes sense, you support the war, the army is recruiting, you should join.

this thread isn't about debating, its about a simple yes or no answer, and if its a no explain why. we have all the other iraq/9-11/bush threads for debating.

so far:
loretian can't enlist cuz of drugs which i think is a valid reason.

looks like gnr nighttrain is" serving his country" so i take that as enlisting.

and drunk.........well he got too angry.

all it was was a simple question. no need to bring in evidence and facts and figures.

and this whole guerilla warfare business........what the hell.......its a message board not a damn prank phone call.....nobody is gonna sit around here for ages waiting for replies. you make a thread or whateva.....post some replies in others......then you leave. Maybe you've become so paranoid and see it as "guerilla warfare".

[Will]

Besides I am serving my country right now Informer.  Are you?

Are you enlisting? If that's the case I really respect that and hope nothing bad happens to you!