Catcher in the Rye

[14 years of silence]

I remember a few years back i think in 02 there was talk of gnr in china to record the video for 'catcher in the rye'. Now i remember seeing a picture of axl performing with some chinese natives was this picture real or fake? Does anyone know if this video was ever recorded? Maybe jarmo or mysteron or anybody could shed some light on this matter.

Cheers

[jarmo]

Axl went to China before the North American tour in 2002.

But there's no video as far as I know.


/jarmo

[Voodoochild]

It was a fake picture and Axl never recorded any video with the new band, as far as we know. Hell, we don't even know if Catcher In The Rye will be in Chinese Democracy or not.

[younggunner]

Hell, we don't even know if Catcher In The Rye will be in Chinese Democracy or not

It wont it will be on the third album, unless they have decided to bump it up.

[Voodoochild]

Hell, we don't even know if Catcher In The Rye will be in Chinese Democracy or not

It wont it will be on the third album, unless they have decided to bump it up.

Well, we don't really know about that for a fact, right?  
And some people said it would be the third single, not on the third album - and this was back in 2002.
Who knows? I don't.

[younggunner]

According to the people who met Axl at MSG backstage, he said it will be on the 3rd album. BUt your right, who knows.....?/

[killingvector]

I hope these albums are thematic, not like the scattershot randomness of the Illusion albums, although they were good in their own right.

i wonder if that story of the label rejecting the album was true. According to the rumor, he was given 30 days to fix things.

[nesquick]

i wonder if that story of the label rejecting the album was true.

eh man I heard this rumour too!! I thought I was told bullshit and that I was the only one to hear this rumour. So were you aware too? It's amazing I always believed I was the only one to heard it. I thought the guy who told me that was just joking!
is this story real?

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Hell, we don't even know if Catcher In The Rye will be in Chinese Democracy or not

It wont it will be on the third album, unless they have decided to bump it up.

Axl NEVER said the 3rd album ,he said the 3rd single to that girl back stage.
This is just like how people claim, CD, maddy and the blues wont be on the album according to Axl, which he never said that either, he said they wont be used as singles.

[justynius]

I hope these albums are thematic, not like the scattershot randomness of the Illusion albums, although they were good in their own right.

What are you talking about? The Illusions albums were entirely thematic. The first album is about the naive emerging artist's disillusionment when faced with the realities of money-hungry record companies and the critical press/public; the second album is an answer to how to still aim for your vision, even with the recognition that these negative influences are trying to hold you back. It seems random because the songs have a wide variety of subjects, but they are all metaphors relating to the central theme.

I'm guessing the theme of Chinese Democracy will be a stand against the "Made in China" quality shit overtaking the music industry due to record company commercialization.

[Booker Floyd]

What are you talking about? The Illusions albums were entirely thematic. The first album is about the naive emerging artist's disillusionment when faced with the realities of money-hungry record companies and the critical press/public; the second album is an answer to how to still aim for your vision, even with the recognition that these negative influences are trying to hold you back. It seems random because the songs have a wide variety of subjects, but they are all metaphors relating to the central theme.

I'm guessing the theme of Chinese Democracy will be a stand against the "Made in China" quality shit overtaking the music industry due to record company commercialization.

 

Some of the hardest reaching this board has seen...congrats.

[HoldenCaulfield]

I don't really think Axl has the 3rd single already planned out. Possible, but I don't see him telling some random fan.

[DRUNK]

I'm guessing the theme of Chinese Democracy will be a stand against the "Made in China" quality shit overtaking the music industry due to record company commercialization.

Amazing!  That's brilliant.

[killingvector]

I hope these albums are thematic, not like the scattershot randomness of the Illusion albums, although they were good in their own right.

What are you talking about? The Illusions albums were entirely thematic. The first album is about the naive emerging artist's disillusionment when faced with the realities of money-hungry record companies and the critical press/public; the second album is an answer to how to still aim for your vision, even with the recognition that these negative influences are trying to hold you back. It seems random because the songs have a wide variety of subjects, but they are all metaphors relating to the central theme.

I'm guessing the theme of Chinese Democracy will be a stand against the "Made in China" quality shit overtaking the music industry due to record company commercialization.

Illusions were all over the place. Soft, eye ball swelling ballads contrasted with venomous diatribes against everybody from axl's neighbor to his mom. It's psychological graffiti, the band's reaction to success and their anger, sadness, and disappointment with the world in which they were emerged.  Even Slash commented in BTM how ideas were fielded from every direction; he compared it to the structure, amorphous as it was, to the Beatles White Album. I see your point, but the message needed to be a bit tighter. definately an imperfect masterpiece.

[Fuckin' Gunner]

I'm guessing the theme of Chinese Democracy will be a stand against the "Made in China" quality shit overtaking the music industry due to record company commercialization.

Amazing!  That's brilliant.

I hope not, this is pathethic in my oppinion. There's so great themes, why talk anout the music industry? I hate this kind of things...

Anyway, we know he wrote songs about child abuse and things like these, so we dont know... maybe there's a themathic thing, but it's great when you make a really diverse thing... even if there's a central theme.

[justynius]

What are you talking about? The Illusions albums were entirely thematic. The first album is about the naive emerging artist's disillusionment when faced with the realities of money-hungry record companies and the critical press/public; the second album is an answer to how to still aim for your vision, even with the recognition that these negative influences are trying to hold you back. It seems random because the songs have a wide variety of subjects, but they are all metaphors relating to the central theme.

I'm guessing the theme of Chinese Democracy will be a stand against the "Made in China" quality shit overtaking the music industry due to record company commercialization.

 

Some of the hardest reaching this board has seen...congrats.

You cannot imagine how fulfulling it is to take the time and effort to put together a post, only to have it generate a response like yours. I'm sure everyone here appreciates the insight you've contributed to this thread.

[justynius]

I'm guessing the theme of Chinese Democracy will be a stand against the "Made in China" quality shit overtaking the music industry due to record company commercialization.

Amazing!  That's brilliant.

I hope not, this is pathethic in my oppinion. There's so great themes, why talk anout the music industry? I hate this kind of things...

Just to clarify, I wasn't stating that as fact or anything. Just a guess, based on the few songs we've heard (and I'll add that Madagascar and Silk Worms don't appear to have anything to do with my guess). There's no guarantee Chinese Democracy will be based around the theme I said, I was just pointing out that is what it looks like from most of the songs we've heard.

[justynius]

I hope these albums are thematic, not like the scattershot randomness of the Illusion albums, although they were good in their own right.

What are you talking about? The Illusions albums were entirely thematic. The first album is about the naive emerging artist's disillusionment when faced with the realities of money-hungry record companies and the critical press/public; the second album is an answer to how to still aim for your vision, even with the recognition that these negative influences are trying to hold you back. It seems random because the songs have a wide variety of subjects, but they are all metaphors relating to the central theme.

I'm guessing the theme of Chinese Democracy will be a stand against the "Made in China" quality shit overtaking the music industry due to record company commercialization.

Illusions were all over the place. Soft, eye ball swelling ballads contrasted with venomous diatribes against everybody from axl's neighbor to his mom. It's psychological graffiti, the band's reaction to success and their anger, sadness, and disappointment with the world in which they were emerged.  Even Slash commented in BTM how ideas were fielded from every direction; he compared it to the structure, amorphous as it was, to the Beatles White Album. I see your point, but the message needed to be a bit tighter. definately an imperfect masterpiece.

You are talking about form, literal topic, and structure - externalities which I agree were all over the place. However, within this outer variety, the songs all made metaphoric contributions to the central themes I discussed earlier.

I'd also agree that there's a few exceptions - Don't Cry and You Could Be Mine in particular seem to just be thrown in for commercial value - but overall, the Illusions albums were directly thematic works.

[HoldenCaulfield]

I would say the generic, overriding theme would be "a new start as a result of a revolution", much like what would happen if China ever became democratic. With that, a lot of countries, when they first become a democracy, suffer from early chaos because they don't really know how to start running things from a new perspective, and the album will tell those emotions: frustration, confusion, freedom.

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

i think the main theme will be pasta. dont forget that the chinese invented that.