Behind The Music: GN'R (post your comments here)

[Mr Cowbell ?]

They didnt even say how Axl got arrested for starting the St Louis Riot. THey made it sound like he got out ok.

They sure did "paint" their own version of GnR.

[TIPSY]

Watch it again folks.


It clearly says "CD is FINALLY slated for release Nov. 2004".

Not "slated for release"

It says FINALLY slated for release

 

[EET_FUK]

WOW!!!  Thanks for clearing that up.  I've been racking my brain all night about that.  

[C0ma]

He made it out of St. Louis fine......did a couple more shows in the US, then went overseas. He was then arrested after comming back into the country a few months later (not 100% on how long that was)


My question about the BTM is........

How do we get a hold of the Hollywood Rose Video footage that they had? And, did they get a hold of alot of the raw footage from the so called "Perfect Crime" movie??

[madagas]

Did anyone else notice Lies being recorded in one day? I thought that was pretty ironic and cool! VH1 was inaccurate in their reporting of the sales though. They said the album sold 2 million copies (maybe just that year!) when RIAA has certified sales of 5 million in the US alone. 5 million records sold and it was made in a day. That is a pretty good hourly rate.  

[RitzWalker8]

I don't get it?

[Annie]

 :oI watched the show again with my mother who does not have alot of knowledge about GNR except for my love of Axl, and she had a unique perspective. She said, "HOw can they do this without talking to Axl?  This really isn't as good as the show about MEATLOAF. THIs band, GNR is mostly Axl, he's the main guy. Those other guys would be nowhere without him."   I just found her comments interesting. We also laughed about how I missed the whole GNR implosion in the 80's, I didn't discover them until 1992 because of a former boyfriend was going to take me to their concert in Long Beach and I decided to watch an MTV rockumentary about them.

[MC13]

I think the show would have benefited from an extra two minutes or so on "The Spaghetti Incident," broken up as follows:

1) Touch briefly on how the studio sessions went. How did they compare to the other Gn'r recording sessions, especially considering the show's implications that "everyone knew it was over" after the return from the Illusion tour.
2) Briefly discuss why Gn'R, the biggest band in the world, decided to record an album of largely obscure punk songs. What members of the band were most enthused about this project? How does this stripped-down album fit in with the common criticism that Gn'R became too bloated in the early '90s?
3) Touch briefly on the Manson cover song on this album. What was the controversy all about, and was the recording of this song -- allegedly without the other band members' approval or knowledge -- one of the final nails in the Gn'R coffin?

Overall, though, a thoroughly enjoyable show!

[tomson24]

Ok......

I am new to this board but probally one of the biggest Guns fans that exist in the world.  Honestly, if I could have 3 wishes....one would be that the original members get back together for one last tour!

Anyway, i e-mailed VH1 about 2 years ago asking them why they waste their time on Bulls**t like Milli Vanilli, and Leaf Garret when there are better stories out there like the story of Guns.  There reply was that they have been attempting to get the story but former mambers of the band would not agree to releasing any information.  My though on VH1 is that they didn't put enough into the story.  They spent 2 hours on Nitorious B.I.G.'s Behind the Music....needless to say, I was very disappointed.

Honestly, it kills me everytime I hear a Guns song on the radio, or see one of them on t.v. or in a magazine.  They single handedly reshaped the face of Rock n Roll in the mid 80's and after the release of Use Your Illusion I and II as well.  There has never been, and will never be, another album like Appetite.  Screw the Beatles and their White Album.....I got Guns n FU**ING Roses at the top..HANDS DOWN!

I was fortunate enough to see them live on 2 seperate occassions....One in Columbia, SC and the other in Chapel Hill, NC.  At the Chapel Hill show, Blind Melon actually opened for them because Brian May was sick and could not make it.  That was a pleasant suprise!!!

Anyway, if anyone would ever like to talk music...give me a buzz.  I am on MSN all day!

In the words of Axl......."just makin my living baby, and that's enough for me!"

[FlashFlood]

this show made me the hugest steven adler fan in the world. seriously, he fucking rocks.

[FlashFlood]

oh and did anyone notice how gilby always referred to guns in the third person? like "They were the biggest band in the world", as opposed to "we were the biggest band in the world"

i thought that was interesting

[D]

thats the difference in gilby and matt sorum, gilby understood he was there for a paycheck and as a hired gun

matt thought he had equal say in guns which is pretty fuckin ignorant

slash,duff or izzy i can understand sayin something to axl, but matt? please!

wasnt one of axl's biggest complaints about the old band their drinking and drug habits?

i dont know how many of u in here have ever been in a band but it absolutely positively sucks tryin to be in a band with people who do drugs

u cant depend on them, they make u nervous cause u are scared they are gonna fuck up and make u look like an idiot plus they are impossible to deal with

if u dont do drugs its hard hangin with people who do

so since the band were about the drugs maybe that helped isolate axl

thats why it isnt all axl's fault the old members left

[ShotgunBlues1978]

I wish Axl had been there to give his side of the story and give some insight into the upcoming GnR album.  I'm sure VH1 contacted him but he refused.  Not very surprised by that but a bit disappointed.  Other than that, I thought it was pretty well done.  And as many other have said, Sorum should STFU about the piano, some of GnR's greatest songs ever prominently featured the piano.  

[vds0216]

Hey there fuckers!!!! I saw BTM last night and was looking forward to it for a while and have to say that I was really disappointed. I was more emotional during the Lynard Skynard BTM and I cant stand those fuckers. You cannot give only one hour for a band like Guns N' Roses. You cannot give one hour to a band that has so many egos, so many problems, so many fights, etc. If they were gonna make a GNR BTM then get AXL in on it also. If not, then dont do it at all. This band is so fuckin Rock N' Roll its ridiculous. These guys just dont give a fuck about anythin or anyone. Usually a BTM episode ends with everyone being happy and going on with their life either with a reunion or everyone at least talkin to each. Here, the front man wouldnt even give a 5 min interview. With a band like GNR you have to have followed them fromthe beginning to understand what they r about. If any1 saw the show to get an insight on them, disregard it. It did not do the band or its members any justice, either bad or good. The only good thing that came out of the BTM is the fact that GNR were on tv. I miss that more than anythin. I miss them being on tour. I miss them being in the news, bad or good. It was all fuckin Rock N' Roll. You cannon deny that. The Metallica/GNR tour was the greatest tour ever in my opinion. You have a band that has THE  Rock n Roll attitude in GNR and then you have the greatest Heavy Metal band of all time in Metallica. And they only spent 1 min on that tour?!?!?!?! It would be fucking amazing if by some miracle these guys would find a way and re-unite. There is a lot of animosity there, and u couldve sensed it in every word Slash said. Sad But True.

[79mcgrath]

Saw BTM--loved it. But it wasn't perfect by any means.

There's a pretty good review of it here: www.flynnfiles.com

Flynn complains about how much is left out: "Wouldn?t Axl?s twenty arrests in Indiana, or the explosion of Duff?s pancreas, have made great BTM fodder?"

I bet Axl is Pissed. They did a lot of subtle things to get under his skin I think, and they would have been nicer if he had cooperated, so it was stupid of him not to be interviewed.

But even though they were snide about him sometimes, they were also really honorific sometimes. And Axl deserves a lot of the honor they gave me -- he IS the greatest front man of all time (maybe Roger Daltry excepted).

But he also got some praise he didn't deserve. In the lengthy review at www.flynnfiles.com , Flynn complains rightly about the song-writing credits in BTM: "The narrator claims that 'Axl supplied the menacing lyrics' to GNR?s tunes, for instance, ignoring that Stradlin penned 'Patience,' 'Mr. Brownstone,' and so many other songs."

How do you think they treated Axl: too mean, too honorific, or just right? What about the others. Do they get enough credit in BTM?

[DIABOLIK]

Towards the end of the program, did anyone else catch that even Slash and Matt implied that no matter how successful Velvet Revolver gets, that band will never be as important as Guns N' Roses.  Sorum's tone when speaking about touring with VR was pure compromise.  Clive Davis, who is notorious for overspending on his pet projects, will pump as much money into promoting VR as is needed not to lose face but the reality is that the few new GNR tracks we've heard, (Chinese/Madagasgar/The Blues) smoke anything off Contraband.  

[Dizzy]

He made it out of St. Louis fine......did a couple more shows in the US, then went overseas. He was then arrested after comming back into the country a few months later (not 100% on how long that was)

It was actually a year later, in 1992, when they got back from their European tour.  According to Jarmo's timeline...

July 12th, 1992 - Axl is arrested at the JFK airport in New York, NY. The reason for the arrest is the riot in St. Louis, MI in 1991.

Did anyone else notice Lies being recorded in one day? I thought that was pretty ironic and cool! VH1 was inaccurate in their reporting of the sales though. They said the album sold 2 million copies (maybe just that year!) when RIAA has certified sales of 5 million in the US alone. 5 million records sold and it was made in a day.

Yes, I thought that was interesting and really neat.  Basically that means that GNR Lies is more of a live album than Live Era.  And yes, VH-1 was incorrect in reporting that Lies had only sold 2 million, unless they meant that's how many copies it sold in its time on the charts right after its release.

Towards the end of the program, did anyone else catch that even Slash and Matt implied that no matter how successful Velvet Revolver gets, that band will never be as important as Guns N' Roses.

He meant that VR will never be as important as the original Guns N Roses, not Axl's current "vision" (as everyone likes to say) of Guns N Roses.

but the reality is that the few new GNR tracks we've heard, (Chinese/Madagasgar/The Blues) smoke anything off Contraband.  

It's only the "reality" in your opinion.  In my opinion, "Madagascar" and "The Blues" are the only songs better than anything on Contraband.  "Chinese Democracy" and "Rhiad and the Bedouins" are average rockers, nothing more.  And don't even get me started on that "Silk Worms" and "Oh My God" garbage.  The worst song on Contraband is better than those two.

But this isn't even the topic at hand.

[Mr Cowbell ?]

Besides me already saying Dizzy wasnt in it. They also didnt mention anything on the Kurt Cobain incidents. Kurt and Axl had quite a few runins.

How come they couldnt take 5 seconds to promote Steven's new band. I am not a big fan of Addler's Appetite, but the guy gave his time and effort to come in for your crappy BTM and you couldnt give him a plug and say what hes up to?  Shame on you VH1

[Acquiesce]

I thought their BTM was okay. It was geared more for the average fan who didn't know most of the story. The rest of us had heard most if not all of those stories so there is no way it could have done justice for us. There simply was no way they could fit everything in a 45 minute show. Heck,  I don't think 2 hours would have been enough for them but obviously would have been better. Of course, it made it harder for them to go deep into their history when most of the original members declined to participate.

I thought they did a good job at making both "sides" look pretty even. However, as a whole I thought it made the band look a bit bad. I wish it focused a bit more on the positive side, but of course drama sells.

The one thing I thought they should have went into was Paul Huge's involvement with the band. The reason I felt this way was because they mentioned Sympathy of the Devil and Slash says it was the sound of the band breaking up, but they never went into why it was the sound of the band breaking up. His presence on that song added a lot of tension and they should have definitely mentioned it to follow up on Slash's comment.

Overall, they did a good job telling the type of story the average BTM fan enjoys. It just happens that GNR is filled with so much drama that they couldn't cover it all.

[D]

i do like steven adler but he has to take some personal responsibility for his own actions


they took everything from me etc etc, NO steven your inability to play cause u were fucked up took everything away from u

i dont blame GNR one bit for what happened to adler, all the members could sober up enough to record whereas adler couldnt leave the drugs alone

adler screwed adler not GNR