Public education should be abolished

[Walk]

The tax we have to pay for it makes it much harder to afford a good private school. It ends up making private schools more expensive, and ironically more exclusive and even better than they would be otherwise! People who would have a choice in education no longer have a choice. The government steals their money and forces them to go to crap public schools. Of course, the rich can afford private school anyway.

This only hurts the middle class. The only people who benefit are poor people who couldn't afford an education even if they weren't forced to pay for public schools. Politicians tax the middle class to appease the poor people, who they use to get elected. The rich always win in the end, the middle class gets screwed, and the stupid ass poor people are happy with their useless schools.

When will people figure out that rich people pay less taxes than they do? They invest in tax free government bonds! They control the government because they are the ones who loan money to the government. It's the middle class, basically anyone with a college degree and minor investments, that ends up paying for useless amenities like public schools that don't teach shit.

If Kerry gets elected, he will do to healthcare what previous stupid Democrats did to education. He will ruin it by making it available to stupid poor people who will abuse it and the middle class will pay for it. Just another reason to vote BUSH.

[99 Problems]

HA, personally that's just another reason for me to NOT vote.  I don't personally give one rats ass about people who bitch about others that don't vote.  First off your voice doesn't matter.  If it did Al Gore would have been elected president.  Second either way, regardless of the president, we lose.  It's inevitable.  Kerry nor Bush can do any better for the United States.  It's all downhill from here.   I AM NOT A CROOK

[Rain]

If Kerry gets elected, he will do to healthcare what previous stupid Democrats did to education. He will ruin it by making it available to stupid poor people who will abuse it and the middle class will pay for it. Just another reason to vote BUSH.

Are you a Christian ? If so I guess you just forgot about jesus teachings ...
Why not eradicate the poors ?  
I won't even bother to answer about healthcare and education. I guess we don't live in the same world and it's for the best ...  

[99 Problems]

If Kerry gets elected, he will do to healthcare what previous stupid Democrats did to education. He will ruin it by making it available to stupid poor people who will abuse it and the middle class will pay for it. Just another reason to vote BUSH.

Haha now that I think about this, what about all the people that abuse the healthcare system now haha.  Do you know how many people in the US are committing Social Security Income fraud by nursing fake or minor disabilities?  I know about 20 off hand in a small town.  Regardless of anything, us Americans have always found a way to undermine the system and take advantage of it for all the wrong reasons.  

[Walk]

I'm an American, and things are different here. Yes, it's like 2 worlds. In the outside world, poor people are poor because they aren't given a chance at all. They are truly exploited by the rich. These people I do feel for.

Here in America, poor people are poor because they buy lotto tickets, beer, cigs, drugs, and abuse credit cards. They are not poor because they are being taken advantage of. They are a unique type of poor people who are poor because they choose to be poor. Only in America...

We have public libraries. That's enough, I believe. They could simply study there, take their GED tests, and get the equivalent of a high school education. There are scholarships available if they want to go to college. They are not that hard to get here in the US. I got a 50% scholarship with only a 1380 SAT! I have average intelligence, if even that. I just studied, that's it.

Being lazy=being poor. It has nothing to do with being exploited. That's how it is here in America. I say we stick to having libraries, forget schools. Why should someone have a teacher teach him if he is capable of learning himself, in his own way and own pace, in a library? Why should he be slowed down if he is the smartest in his class, and the teacher has to teach slower for the lazy students who don't study? If people taught themselves we would be much better off.

[99 Problems]

I'm an American, and things are different here. Yes, it's like 2 worlds. In the outside world, poor people are poor because they aren't given a chance at all. They are truly exploited by the rich. These people I do feel for.

Here in America, poor people are poor because they buy lotto tickets, beer, cigs, drugs, and abuse credit cards. They are not poor because they are being taken advantage of. They are a unique type of poor people who are poor because they choose to be poor. Only in America...

We have public libraries. That's enough, I believe. They could simply study there, take their GED tests, and get the equivalent of a high school education. There are scholarships available if they want to go to college. They are not that hard to get here in the US. I got a 50% scholarship with only a 1380 SAT! I have average intelligence, if even that. I just studied, that's it.

Being lazy=being poor. It has nothing to do with being exploited. That's how it is here in America. I say we stick to having libraries, forget schools. Why should someone have a teacher teach him if he is capable of learning himself, in his own way and own pace, in a library? Why should he be slowed down if he is the smartest in his class, and the teacher has to teach slower for the lazy students who don't study? If people taught themselves we would be much better off.

That just may have been the most idiotic thing I've ever read on the internet or even a magazine for that matter.   You totally ignore the constraints placed upon the lower class by the government such as employment.  You bring up libraries as being enough.  Well Freud, do you know how many neighborhoods and cities don't have libraries?  They closed the one down in my town because there was not enough state funding.  WOW but in 2 years I'll have my bachelors of science from college.  And without a library, that's amazing.  I personally suggest you go to your magic library that magically educates poor people and search for a Sociology textbook and start reading.  

[Walk]

Well there are 3 libraries in my town, and no one ever goes there but old people and Asian students. I just think it's a shame they are not being used. Maybe it's different where you live.

Also, public schools are unfair to tradition minded families who just don't believe in education. Amish people don't care about biology and physics and stuff, but they don't have to. They are industrious in their own way. Maybe they would be content to have the choice of a trade oriented school instead of being forced to learn about evolution or something they don't believe in? Public schools take away choice!

[99 Problems]

Oh man you're hilarious.  So now you're praising the Amish?  I live in the most oriented Amish state in the country and believe me they have schools that offer courses similar to ours.  Sure they train their group differently for farming and shit but that doesn't mean they ignore it all together.  And in the argument that they might want the choice to attend a public school system they would have be required to pay state and federal tax which is something the Amish community is highly against.   sheesh man you bitch about public education so much it may be useful if you actually consume a little bit of it.

[Walk]

Well you're proud of not voting, so you're in a little more trouble that I am.  

And as much as the Amish hate taxes, they have to pay them, just like everyone else. Hell, there was an Amish guy fined for drunk driving in his mule cart!   They aren't above the law. The law should be changed to give exceptions to people like that.

What about vouchers? If public schools are kept up, but people want an alternative, shouldn't they be refunded what they pay for public schools they don't use? And, if public schools are truly in dire financial straits, why do they have sports teams and plays and art programs and other stuff? They have more money than private schools and do not do as well! The teachers are paid more and do worse. I might see how people can be pro public schools, but come on, how can anyone be against vouchers?

[badapple81]

What kinda of % of people there go to private as opposed to public?

[99 Problems]

Well you're proud of not voting, so you're in a little more trouble that I am.  

And as much as the Amish hate taxes, they have to pay them, just like everyone else. Hell, there was an Amish guy fined for drunk driving in his mule cart!   They aren't above the law. The law should be changed to give exceptions to people like that.

Hey buddy I dont' know what state you're in but here the Amish are exempt from paying state and federal tax.  And yes even though they don't pay taxes they do fall under the normal code of justice of the United States.  Just like native americans and priests.  
Anyhow you talk of me being in trouble because I dont' vote haha so what?  I've told you Einstein that the popular vote doesn't account for jack shit.  All you are doing is going to a damned voting booth and clicking a little box for a candidate and going home and feeling important about selecting the next jackass to set in the oval office.   But if voting makes you happy and proud, more power to you.

[Cornell]

I live in New York State which has some of the best schools in the country.  Yes, we pay high taxes, but the education is good.  In the South, the taxes are very low and everyone that I know sends their kids to private schools.  So, in a way, they are getting a refund to be used towards private schooling.

On the other hand, elderly people and people without children are paying these high taxes and get no advantage out of it.

[Doc Emmett Brown]

The rich always win in the end, the middle class gets screwed, and the stupid ass poor people are happy with their useless schools.

And you think Bush is going to solve the above problem?  He's too busy fighting wars to worry about what happens at home.  For that matter, Kerry wouldnt solve it either.  It's a state issue and each state has to design its own method for better education. What works for California will not work for Iowa.

Look, I am aware of the horrible state of many public schools.  But your proposal to eradicate them does not qualify as a solution.  Think about what you're doing - you're taking away education from the majority of the population!  Bad idea Walk!

And your comment about libraries - they are publicly funded as well.  They are public houses of learning except without teachers or mentors.   Some people are self-taught, but most need an instructor to guide them.

Frankly, I'm not really sure how to improve public schools...  I would get the parents more involved in their child's education.  I would ensure that the teachers are well-trained and make their class environment productive.  I would remove a lot of the bureaucracy that eats up the federal money.  I would try damn hard to make people understand that learning is fun... I sound like a big fucking nerd, dont I?

Posted by: GunnerDownUnder  Posted on: Today at 01:05:32pm  
What kinda of % of people there go to private as opposed to public?  

Gunner, I dont know the exact %'s, but I think it's would be something like 20% Private, 80% Public.  A lot of the private schools are also religious schools so they mainly cater to their own kind.

[Walk]

Well, the majority would attend superior private schools if public schools were abolished: they would no longer pay taxes to support public schools. Those who don't want their kids to go to school shouldn't be forced to send them there. It's their responsibility to raise kids the way they see fit, not the government's.

Republicans stand for personal liberty, limited government, and state's rights. The reason they don't succeed to put all this in place is because Democrats get in their way. Democrats want big government and welfare.

My vote is as good as anyone else's. No one cares about your opinion because you don't voice it!

[jarmo]

Those who don't want their kids to go to school shouldn't be forced to send them there. It's their responsibility to raise kids the way they see fit, not the government's.

Funny!

So if the parents decide their kids should just go to work at age seven instead of going to school, they should be allowed to do that?

 


/jarmo

[journey]

This only hurts the middle class. The only people who benefit are poor people who couldn't afford an education even if they weren't forced to pay for public schools. Politicians tax the middle class to appease the poor people, who they use to get elected. The rich always win in the end, the middle class gets screwed, and the stupid ass poor people are happy with their useless schools.

If Kerry gets elected, he will do to healthcare what previous stupid Democrats did to education. He will ruin it by making it available to stupid poor people who will abuse it and the middle class will pay for it. Just another reason to vote BUSH.

Just because someone is poor, doesn't mean that they're stupid. A lot of these "poor" people, work their asses off for what little they have. Not all poor people abuse grants and financial loans. That's such a prejudice notion.

I agree with you about the middle class being burdened with the majority of taxes. I think that should definitely change. But, I don't think President Bush is the answer to that problem.

[99 Problems]

Well, the majority would attend superior private schools if public schools were abolished: they would no longer pay taxes to support public schools. Those who don't want their kids to go to school shouldn't be forced to send them there. It's their responsibility to raise kids the way they see fit, not the government's.

Republicans stand for personal liberty, limited government, and state's rights. The reason they don't succeed to put all this in place is because Democrats get in their way. Democrats want big government and welfare.

My vote is as good as anyone else's. No one cares about your opinion because you don't voice it!

Um yeah they wouldn't have to pay public school tax, but not aware if you know this or not.....private schools charge this thing called "tuition" which is far greater than any public tax imposed.  Hell my college tuition is 24,000 a year.  I'd love to just pay 10 bucks a month to the government and go for free, but it doesn't work like that.

[Cornell]

Well, the majority would attend superior private schools if public schools were abolished: they would no longer pay taxes to support public schools. Those who don't want their kids to go to school shouldn't be forced to send them there. It's their responsibility to raise kids the way they see fit, not the government's.

Republicans stand for personal liberty, limited government, and state's rights. The reason they don't succeed to put all this in place is because Democrats get in their way. Democrats want big government and welfare.

My vote is as good as anyone else's. No one cares about your opinion because you don't voice it!

Um yeah they wouldn't have to pay public school tax, but not aware if you know this or not.....private schools charge this thing called "tuition" which is far greater than any public tax imposed.  Hell my college tuition is 24,000 a year.  I'd love to just pay 10 bucks a month to the government and go for free, but it doesn't work like that.

Yeah, I'd like to pay 10 bucks a month for my kid to go to KINDERGARTEN - I could easily send both of my sons to a private grade school if I didn't have to pay the school taxes.  Hell, I could send the neighbors kids too...

[chat_noire]

Here in America, poor people are poor because they buy lotto tickets, beer, cigs, drugs, and abuse credit cards. They are not poor because they are being taken advantage of. They are a unique type of poor people who are poor because they choose to be poor. Only in America...

Being lazy=being poor. It has nothing to do with being exploited. That's how it is here in America. I say we stick to having libraries, forget schools. Why should someone have a teacher teach him if he is capable of learning himself, in his own way and own pace, in a library? Why should he be slowed down if he is the smartest in his class, and the teacher has to teach slower for the lazy students who don't study? If people taught themselves we would be much better off.

I don't think you've met my mother... she's a single mom, going to college FULLTIME- providing for FOUR of her own children, a friend, her grandchild, and anyone else in anyway she can by being a fucking teacher's aide! And does she get paid to go to school? No fucking way. With the little amount of child support my Dad does send, she still only makes 15,000 a year (let me remind you that the 15000 she makes pays rent, buys food, and trys to pay bills for SEVEN people). Oh yes... the POVERTY level is 16,700 a year where we live- so by any standards, we are "poor." Not a single one of us are lazy or helpless, we don't buy beer or lotto tickets or go to the races every weekend. We are trying our fucking hardest, but at this rate, it feels damn near impossible. There are people who can't do a damn thing about it.

In reply to the topic, there is nothing wrong with public schools- they provide more jobs, and you'll end up being exposed to whatever eventually. Sure the teachers may suck, but honestly, school is what you make of it.

[GnRNightrain]

I'm an American, and things are different here. Yes, it's like 2 worlds. In the outside world, poor people are poor because they aren't given a chance at all. They are truly exploited by the rich. These people I do feel for.

Here in America, poor people are poor because they buy lotto tickets, beer, cigs, drugs, and abuse credit cards. They are not poor because they are being taken advantage of. They are a unique type of poor people who are poor because they choose to be poor. Only in America...

We have public libraries. That's enough, I believe. They could simply study there, take their GED tests, and get the equivalent of a high school education. There are scholarships available if they want to go to college. They are not that hard to get here in the US. I got a 50% scholarship with only a 1380 SAT! I have average intelligence, if even that. I just studied, that's it.

Being lazy=being poor. It has nothing to do with being exploited. That's how it is here in America. I say we stick to having libraries, forget schools. Why should someone have a teacher teach him if he is capable of learning himself, in his own way and own pace, in a library? Why should he be slowed down if he is the smartest in his class, and the teacher has to teach slower for the lazy students who don't study? If people taught themselves we would be much better off.

I only it was so easy.  Im not huge on the welfare state myself, but if we dont educate people society will get far worse than it already is.  That doesnt mean that there isnt changes that need to be made.
By the way, 1380 is not average intelligence.  It will get you into many many good schools.  I know people that study their asses off that dont break 1000