estranged live era

[C0ma]

What Guitars??There?s no modified-re-recorded guitars on Live Era.The only guitar that?s changed is on Rocket Queen, That there is no Gilby-guitar, just Slash.Apart from that all the guitars don?t sound like re-recorded.



Baby Slash//

Listen to Pretty Tied Up from Live Era then listen to it from Tokyo, then tell me that the guitars weren't re-worked........

[Malcolm]

Ill have to go home and listen to this album most carefully?which songs are we arguing were re done?

[Voodoochild]

The only guitar that?s changed is on Rocket Queen, That there is no Gilby-guitar, just Slash.//

I really dunno why they did it. Fuck, it's the only song on Live Era with no 2nd guitar!! And this song is the best rhythm guitar work ever!!! (ok, it's top 5 at least)
Izzy played a lot better than Gilby in this track but Gilby is better than nothing! When Slash starts the ending solo we only can hear that annoying Dizzy's keyboard in background.  
They could put the Tokyo version (even with a lot of fucked ups) with Axl new vocals and it would be way better.

[Eduardo]

I really dunno why they did it. Fuck, it's the only song on Live Era with no 2nd guitar!! And this song is the best rhythm guitar work ever!!! (ok, it's top 5 at least)
Izzy played a lot better than Gilby in this track but Gilby is better than nothing! When Slash starts the ending solo we only can hear that annoying Dizzy's keyboard in background.  
They could put the Tokyo version (even with a lot of fucked ups) with Axl new vocals and it would be way better.

Yeah the Tokio version is the best ever for this song. That ending solo, when Slashs guitar and Axls voice complement each other is great.

BTW, theres no rhythm guitar in Estranged either

[Slashly]

Yeah the Tokio version is the best ever for this song....

No way!!The best RQ live is Ritz 88!!!Yeah!!

BTW, theres no rhythm guitar in Estranged either

Once I was wondering this and I listened only to my left speaker: I thought there was a very very low rithm guitar, but it may be Slash guitar(wich is actually on the right side)
Damn, I?ll take a good listen now.......


Baby Slash//

[Eduardo]

No way!!The best RQ live is Ritz 88!!!Yeah!!

No way dude. They fucked up all the time, Axl forgets to sing in some parts. Its just fucked up. The best for sure is Tokio. That Slash solo after that rap thing is awesome

[Dizzy]

No way dude. They fucked up all the time, Axl forgets to sing in some parts.

No, Axl didn't "forget" to sing that song at the Ritz '88 show, he got pissed about something and walked offstage.  So yes, two parts of "Rocket Queen" from that show are missing vocals.

[nesquick]

SCOM live erea version was totally redone in studio
and one thing about "nightrain": the mix and Axl's re-recording voice KICK ASS!
the mix on "nightrain" is phenomenal! the sound is really impressive. I hope we will heard a mix like that in "chinese democracy"...

[dave-gnfnr2k]

If SCOM was totally redone in the studio then why does axl sound like shit?
Like I said, if it was tototally redone i the studio axl would have sounded like he did at the end of big daddy scom, but he does not.

[Eduardo]

If SCOM was totally redone in the studio then why does axl sound like shit?
Like I said, if it was tototally redone i the studio axl would have sounded like he did at the end of big daddy scom, but he does not.

I think I am the only one who thinks Axl sounds good on SCOM. He sounds exaclty the same as in the other Live Era songs

[Slashly]

He sounds exaclty the same as in the other Live Era songs

Do you mean like shit?Really dude, from 91 on Axl singed SCOM  horrible .
But in 87, 88, 89, he sounded awsome!


Baby Slash//

[C0ma]

If SCOM was totally redone in the studio then why does axl sound like shit?
Like I said, if it was tototally redone i the studio axl would have sounded like he did at the end of big daddy scom, but he does not.

My guess is that when re-recording vocals they were still going for a live sound. If they didn't go for that live sound then it woud have been torn apart. Like Paul Stanley said all live albums are touched up, but they still have to sound live.
Big Daddy wasn't meant to sound authenticly live.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Axl cant make his voice sound like its blown out (and that is how he sounds on SCOM).  They just cleaned up a vocal track from another version.

[Voodoochild]

I really dunno why they did it. Fuck, it's the only song on Live Era with no 2nd guitar!! And this song is the best rhythm guitar work ever!!! (ok, it's top 5 at least)
Izzy played a lot better than Gilby in this track but Gilby is better than nothing! When Slash starts the ending solo we only can hear that annoying Dizzy's keyboard in background.  
They could put the Tokyo version (even with a lot of fucked ups) with Axl new vocals and it would be way better.

Yeah the Tokio version is the best ever for this song. That ending solo, when Slashs guitar and Axls voice complement each other is great.

BTW, theres no rhythm guitar in Estranged either

Haha, I just listened to Estranged again. Two things about this:

1) There's no second guitar in the first half. Only Slash. Suddenly, when Dizzy goes with the piano solo, the clean rhythm guitar (Izzy/Gilby with Slash) starts. I assume that the second half of the song was from another source/show and...

2) When Axl sings "... and you don't walk so proud anymore and what for.." I can hear him singing (turned the volume really loud to hear this) "wow" right before Slash's solo. Exactly how he did in Tokyo. I guess Axl recorded the vocal over the original track.

Something like this happens in SCOM. When Slash plays the intro, I can hear (again, had to put very loud) Axl singing the ending of Bad Times (...to be in looooooooove..).
My point is: maybe the first half of Estranged and Rocket Queen could be only studio takes over some random drums/bass (??) live tracks. Can't think in another reason to not put rhythm guitar in Estranged first half and Rocket Queen.  

[Skeba]

BTW, theres no rhythm guitar in Estranged either

Baby Slash//

This is something that has always bothered me for some reason.. In my opinion one of the main reasons Estranged is as good as it is, is because there are the 2 guitars, on parts even three which you can clearly tell apart... This is very characteristic in all of the live shows after '90 or something. Izzy's or Gilby's guitars can only be heard in very few parts, like in the beginning of Don't Cry. Usually the 2nd guitar just drowns there, which I think is a pity. Not saying Slash's playing wasn't enough... Just that I think many of the songs would've been better if a decent rythm was present.

[Voodoochild]

BTW, theres no rhythm guitar in Estranged either

Baby Slash//

This is something that has always bothered me for some reason.. In my opinion one of the main reasons Estranged is as good as it is, is because there are the 2 guitars, on parts even three which you can clearly tell apart... This is very characteristic in all of the live shows after '90 or something. Izzy's or Gilby's guitars can only be heard in very few parts, like in the beginning of Don't Cry. Usually the 2nd guitar just drowns there, which I think is a pity. Not saying Slash's playing wasn't enough... Just that I think many of the songs would've been better if a decent rythm was present.

Like I said above, actually there's 2 guitars in Estranged, but only in the 2nd half.
But I agree with you, I think it's a shame. I love Slash, but the songs were made with 2 (or more) guitar tracks. Sounds wierd and like missing the heavy sound.
That's what I liked with the 3 guitars new line-up. All the guitar work in Rocket Queen was there.

[matt88]

Why all this re-recording. Why didn't they just record the songs and release them the way they are. Thats the only way to get their unique sound live.

[Dizzy]

Why all this re-recording. Why didn't they just record the songs and release them the way they are.

Well the vocals are obvious, we all know Axl has an incredible insecurity complex, so he undoubtedly did not like the sound of his voice on many tracks.

As far as the guitars go, maybe there was a blatant error and they didn't want it on the record.

[Voodoochild]

As far as the guitars go, maybe there was a blatant error and they didn't want it on the record.

Yes, like Estranged. At the ending of the piano solo, Slash play in the wrong time (before it needed) in the original version in Tokyo. In Live Era, he re-recorded the guitar (altought I still can hear the original record under the new one).

[Dizzy]

Yes, like Estranged. At the ending of the piano solo, Slash play in the wrong time (before it needed) in the original version in Tokyo. In Live Era, he re-recorded the guitar (altought I still can hear the original record under the new one).

I'm not sure if I buy that one, because there is another error Slash made in that recording that isn't fixed on Live Era, it's the original guitar from Tokyo.