It appears the RUMOR mill might be cranking back up..a tiny bit of possible info

[Falcon]

If somehow Sanctuary ended up with CD, it might be the best thing that could happen.

Sanctuary has been slowly approaching the best music management personel in the business.  Obviously, Goldstein is there, Carl Stubner was recently brought on as well, only to opt for a similar position at Immortal Entertainment..

CD would be the most prominent release in the labels history and would without doubt, get the labels full promotional blitzkrieg.  

They have absolutley no corporate entity to answer to and are generally recognized as a music label owned by music lovers.

I think we all agree CD deserves the best possible promotion and backing from whomever releases it.   With the constant state of flux that goes with Interscope/Geffen et al, maybe Sanctuary could provide the stability to stick with the record and give it the best possible chance for long legs.

Speculating of course...

[anarchy]

Please dark, stop taking everything I say so seriously. You only end up embaressing yourself.

[darknemus]

Please dark, stop taking everything I say so seriously. You only end up embaressing yourself.

Oops, my bad

 

-darknemus

[chineseilusions]

Thanks for passing that along dark.I find it interesting how the rumor mill allways starts in the summer

[IndiannaRose]

him: Yeah, it has.. if June 30 really was a 'deadline' as I was led to believe, then it seems that there will be some sort of 'announcement' shortly thereafter.. my guess would be July 1st or 2nd, but probably they'd wait til after the Holiday weekend.

Well after you told this supposed piece of information it couldn't get me thinking but of the Guns N' Roses:Behind the Music which has been pushed back several times to finally air on Wednesday Jun. 30 at 11/10c AM:

http://www.vh1.com/shows/dyn/behind_the_music/81346/episode_about.jhtml

Does anyone think this is a coincidence or in-directly related to the subject darknemus is speaking of?

[the dirt]

him: Yeah, it has.. if June 30 really was a 'deadline' as I was led to believe, then it seems that there will be some sort of 'announcement' shortly thereafter.. my guess would be July 1st or 2nd, but probably they'd wait til after the Holiday weekend.

Well after you told this supposed piece of information it couldn't get me thinking but of the Guns N' Roses:Behind the Music which has been pushed back several times to finally air on Wednesday Jun. 30 at 11/10c AM:

http://www.vh1.com/shows/dyn/behind_the_music/81346/episode_about.jhtml

Does anyone think this is a coincidence or in-directly related to the subject darknemus is speaking of?

Maybe the show is it

[darknemus]

Well remember, the June 30 date originally reared its ugly head as some sort of conditional 'release CD by this date' date or else Gh would be released.  This was, supposedly, the reason the GH release got delayed the first time.  Then, supposedly, 'all hell broke loose' and GH wound up coming out, anyway..

I have no way of knowing for sure if that date was really part of an ultimatum or not - its just the info my 'source' (again, horrible word) got..

I'm just letting you know the origin for that date.. and that was back during the first GH delay.. which was when, November?

-darknemus

[killingvector]

if CD is released on Sanctuary, wouldn't GnR have to be dropped by Geffen?

wouldn't that require some sort of payout from axl?

[D]

  :hihi:more false starts than special olympic runners


why is that funny?

[chineseilusions]

If somehow Sanctuary ended up with CD, it might be the best thing that could happen.

Sanctuary has been slowly approaching the best music management personel in the business.  Obviously, Goldstein is there, Carl Stubner was recently brought on as well, only to opt for a similar position at Immortal Entertainment..

CD would be the most prominent release in the labels history and would without doubt, get the labels full promotional blitzkrieg.  

They have absolutley no corporate entity to answer to and are generally recognized as a music label owned by music lovers.

I think we all agree CD deserves the best possible promotion and backing from whomever releases it.   With the constant state of flux that goes with Interscope/Geffen et al, maybe Sanctuary could provide the stability to stick with the record and give it the best possible chance for long legs.

Speculating of course...

That sounds great but,I don't think Sanctuary has enough money to produce CD

[the dirt]

If somehow Sanctuary ended up with CD, it might be the best thing that could happen.

Sanctuary has been slowly approaching the best music management personel in the business.  Obviously, Goldstein is there, Carl Stubner was recently brought on as well, only to opt for a similar position at Immortal Entertainment..

CD would be the most prominent release in the labels history and would without doubt, get the labels full promotional blitzkrieg.  

They have absolutley no corporate entity to answer to and are generally recognized as a music label owned by music lovers.

I think we all agree CD deserves the best possible promotion and backing from whomever releases it.   With the constant state of flux that goes with Interscope/Geffen et al, maybe Sanctuary could provide the stability to stick with the record and give it the best possible chance for long legs.

Speculating of course...

That sounds great but,I don't think Sanctuary has enough money to produce CD

A bundle of dough has already been spent in producing the thing already...

They wouldn't start from scratch.

[outlawaxl]

:hihi:more false starts than special olympic runners


why is that funny?

coz its not Poli Correct... and coz its just damn funny...

[IndiannaRose]

Well remember, the June 30 date originally reared its ugly head as some sort of conditional 'release CD by this date' date or else Gh would be released.  This was, supposedly, the reason the GH release got delayed the first time.  Then, supposedly, 'all hell broke loose' and GH wound up coming out, anyway..

I have no way of knowing for sure if that date was really part of an ultimatum or not - its just the info my 'source' (again, horrible word) got..

I'm just letting you know the origin for that date.. and that was back during the first GH delay.. which was when, November?

-darknemus

I know what the date means and what the origin of it is. I'm just wondering if the fact that VH1 has been pushing back Guns N' Roses:Behind the Music so much to finally air on that exact date (June 30th) is a coincidence or not.

[SLCPUNK]

Keep trying GypsySoul......I mean Darknemus....LOL...eventually you'll be right one day.


 

[HoldenCaulfield]

I believe you, dark. The way I look at it, of all the rumors, one of them, somewhere, somehow, has to be true, and you seem to be very straight-laced about how you go about this "insider information", and you cover all your tracks, instead of saying "my hair-dresser's husband is cousin's with a janitor for Clear Channel" crap. I have no reason *not* to believe you  

[DemocracyRose]

him: Yeah, it has.. if June 30 really was a 'deadline' as I was led to believe, then it seems that there will be some sort of 'announcement' shortly thereafter.. my guess would be July 1st or 2nd, but probably they'd wait til after the Holiday weekend.

Well after you told this supposed piece of information it couldn't get me thinking but of the Guns N' Roses:Behind the Music which has been pushed back several times to finally air on Wednesday Jun. 30 at 11/10c AM:

http://www.vh1.com/shows/dyn/behind_the_music/81346/episode_about.jhtml

Does anyone think this is a coincidence or in-directly related to the subject darknemus is speaking of?

Thanks for a nice and good rumor....

But the announcement will be something about the BTM.... I agree on that.

Think about it... Tommy and Brain releasing albums soon and will touring shortly after.... My guess is that we wont see CD before 2005....

[Jonx]

Does anyone know the details of Guns record contract, was it a 'produce so and so number of records on our label deal' and is Axl still on this contract? If this is the case then couldnt the greatest hits have been the final CD in the record contract, hence now allowing Guns to leave and seek a new deal!

Also with the avoiding clear channel radio stations, isnt this cutting Guns out of a huge market since Clear Channel is the US's largest radio conglomerate. Does'nt sound very wise!

If this is true, and something does happen then it would be a hell of a way to end my exams, got my last one on July 1st. What a way to end them!!!

Jonx

[madagas]

What if Axl changed his tune and decided to talk to VH1??? It is possible. If he threw in some info on the album, it is basically free press. I can't think of a better way to begin promotion. Doubt it will happen, but the guy has to respond at some point to all the negative press he gets.  

[jarmo]

Well remember, the June 30 date originally reared its ugly head as some sort of conditional 'release CD by this date' date or else Gh would be released.

Funny because earlier this year it was May:

Ok, for me to start - I need to invoke a bit of history.  I dont know if you recall the whole 'Greatest Hits' disc fiasco.  At the time I had posted that I had heard it was only pulled on the agreement of an ultimatum regarding CD's release.  At the time, I hadn't been given any sort of time frame.  I just got that part from a friend who works in radio (Program Director for a Rock station in Florida).  He was told 6 months.

He's also been told that CD is to be released prior to the RIR IV show.  A bit more extrapolation + factoring in a bit more info leads to a probable release date of May 25, 2004.  Which, by the way, would be 6 months to the day that the Greatest Hits disc was slated to be released.

Then there was the new single or something:

Contact #1 - the PD person.  This person has told me this.  From what they're hearing, there will be SOME SORT of 'new material' played on the air sometime during the month of January.  This person has emphasized to me that this is EXTREMELY TENTATIVE and that this person actually won't believe anything until he sees it on a memo from an owner - and not just scuttlebutt amongst industry folks.  This person has told me that, to the best of their knowledge, this 'new material' would be in the form of a single.  

We can't forget the photo shoot that apparently didn't involve the whole band since one member denied it even took place.

So sorry for being skeptical when you post info, I've yet to see you getting things right for once.



As far as I know, David Geffen has nothing to do with Geffen Records anymore. He sold the company in the early 90s (or was it late 80s?).

Sanctuary Records isn't part of Universal.



/jarmo

[TyRod Tulip]

I know what the date means and what the origin of it is. I'm just wondering if the fact that VH1 has been pushing back Guns N' Roses:Behind the Music so much to finally air on that exact date (June 30th) is a coincidence or not.

You want some more coincidence?

June 30th will be exactly 3 months from the date of Axl's press release explaining the BH fiasco and the cancellation of their RIR performance.  Remember in that press release Axl stated:

"Guns will be moving forward and surprisingly (without giving away any details) this unfortunate set of circumstances may have given us the opportunity to take our recording that one extra step further. Regardless we hope to announce a release date within the next few months".

Now it wouldn't be very much like Axl Rose to keep his word on that "few months" thing, but it is another piece of coincidence to add to this whole June 30th date that appears to becoming more interesting by the hour.

I know that the original plan for VH1 was to show the BHM and then follow that up with the making of VR thing.  Does anyone know if VH1 also moved the making of VR thing?  If not, it may be that Axl has pull the rug out from under VR and decided to use the BHM thing to his benefit.  Perhaps a coup?  Maybe that's just wishful thinking.

-TyRod-