The Lyrics on CB

[Imfuckincrazy]

It just seems like random crap.

in this case the lyrics really don't make sense

So you're saying that a lot of David Bowie's songs are shit because a lot of his songs don't make sense to those with tiny minds and can't interpret the songs or relate to them in their own way. It's the same with Scott. That doesn't mean that his lyrics have no meaning to him.  Just because you don't understand his songs doesn't make them random crap, or that they have no meaning at all.

even u can't claim the lyrics make sense or are very good

It's all a matter of opinion, and how someone interprets the songs. Just because the lyrics don't make sense to you, doesn't mean they don't make sense to another person. Booker only said that because you don't understand them, doesn't mean that they have no meaning at all. You don't know what Scott pictured in his mind when he wrote the songs. And you don't know what other people think of when they hear the songs.

[oldleadbelly]

yeah, sorry izzy...I came across as a bit of an arrogant ass in those posts.  I just really get into debating.  No offense meant though.

[Hammy]

Yeah the lyrics do make sense but they are a bit to simplistic like they were put together with no real thought the lyrics may have some meaning to the band and to some fans but they certainly do not show any lyrical skills on the part of Velvet Revolver

[Izzy]

It just seems like random crap.

in this case the lyrics really don't make sense

So you're saying that a lot of David Bowie's songs are shit because a lot of his songs don't make sense to those with tiny minds and can't interpret the songs or relate to them in their own way. It's the same with Scott. That doesn't mean that his lyrics have no meaning to him.  Just because you don't understand his songs doesn't make them random crap, or that they have no meaning at all.

Don't put words in the poor guys mouth - and please, there is no need to insult people who disagree over a song

Its a rather strange point to make that because Scott understands them they make sense and have meaning - a person might believe that the moon is made of cheese, Tony Blair is his daughter and aliens live in dustbins - doesn't change the fact thats nonsense, yet it means something to them

Obviously the songs are intended to have a meaning and made sense to the author - doesn't make them good lyrics

I would describe good lyrics as those that convey something the listener can understand and/or relate to and which are relatively easy to interpt.

If one has to guess and repeatedly read through the booklet my guess is something hasn't gone as well as it could have - Scott knows of his problems, the songs make sense to him, but Joe Bloggs on the street that likes the album but barely knows who's in the band won't know about these problems -  to him it will make no sense. An understanding of the audience is crucial  - Scott is demonstrating a very limited understanding of this.

U don't need to even know who Axl Rose is to understand 'Estranged' its accesible to anyone - but if u have to know of Scott's problems with the media to understand 'Headspace' or about his DUI to understand Illegal i etc than Scott really hasn't done a good job

[tomass74]

I was gonna actually start a topic about the lyrics. I have heard some people knock them. I personally think there are some awesome lyrics on this CD. Thats all I have to say. It's all a matter of tatse.

[W.Bailey]

my beef is for that half the record if you want to know the lyrics you need to look in the damn lyric book, nobody here could understand what hes singing just by listening

and the lyrics are weak

Headspace has the best lyrics on the album

[Doc Emmett Brown]

I would describe good lyrics as those that convey something the listener can understand and/or relate to and which are relatively easy to interpt.

Izzy, these are the kind of lyrics I prefer as well.  But 'good lyrics' (like good verse) means different things to different people, and even different things to the same person at different times.

Among the rockers, I think Big Machine, Do it for the kids, and Headspace are easy to interpret.  I would not call them masterful lyrics by any means, but they fit the mood of the song.  As for the ballads, I interpret them in different ways each time I listen - I like that.  

If one has to guess and repeatedly read through the booklet my guess is something hasn't gone as well as it could have

I had to read through the booklet because I cant really make out what Scott is saying in the fast songs.  It was like that at the concert too.  

The song lyrics that I was completely put off by is STB.  So they're about drugs?  Fine, but listen to the lyrics of Space Oddity by David Bowie.  Now there's a brilliant song about heroin, and it tells a story!  

[D]

here is the bottom line

i love VR i think their cd is good, but im defending my bro izzy here


if I had wrote those lyrics

if nickelback or creed or fred durst had wrote those lyrics

if scott wasnt with slash and duff and matt and wrote those lyrics

i would then love to see how many on the board defended those lyrics

scott does well singing those lyrics but if u just read the lyrics alone by themselves they are pretty mediocre and i dont understand how anyone could argue otherwise

[Izzy]

I would describe good lyrics as those that convey something the listener can understand and/or relate to and which are relatively easy to interpt.

Izzy, these are the kind of lyrics I prefer as well.  But 'good lyrics' (like good verse) means different things to different people, and even different things to the same person at different times.

Among the rockers, I think Big Machine, Do it for the kids, and Headspace are easy to interpret.  I would not call them masterful lyrics by any means, but they fit the mood of the song.  As for the ballads, I interpret them in different ways each time I listen - I like that.  

If one has to guess and repeatedly read through the booklet my guess is something hasn't gone as well as it could have

I had to read through the booklet because I cant really make out what Scott is saying in the fast songs.  It was like that at the concert too.  

The song lyrics that I was completely put off by is STB.  So they're about drugs?  Fine, but listen to the lyrics of Space Oddity by David Bowie.  Now there's a brilliant song about heroin, and it tells a story!  

Good post,

In my defence i readily acknowledge that while i don't believe the lyrics to make much sense and be badly constructed that they do fit the songs and are quite catchy - i like Scott's singing style

My point was just about what the lyrics mean - after all i like the songs, the weakness of the lyrics doesn't destroy the album but i think is a point that can be raised with it

Its pretty evident that without the lyrics booklet and an deailed history of Scott's problems the songs are virtually impossible to decipher

Now maybe that works for some people but that just seems a weak effort to me

[Imfuckincrazy]

I would describe good lyrics as those that convey something the listener can understand and/or relate to and which are relatively easy to interpt.

See, that is how you would describe good lyrics, but someone else might have a different opinion as to what makes good lyrics. Think what you want to, but I still don't think you should claim that his lyrics have no meaning when you don't know what was in Scott's mind when writing the songs. I think good lyrics are ones that many people can relate to at different times and interpret in their own way, and that doesn't have to mean telling a story.

Its a rather strange point to make that because Scott understands them they make sense and have meaning

All I said was just because they don't make sense to some of you, doesn't mean that they don't make sense to anybody. Of course if you take them literally then of course they aren't going to make sense, but who is that closed minded?

And as for them not having meaning, as I said, you don't know what was on Scott's mind when he wrote the lyrics. If you don't understand the meaning, fine. Doesn't mean there isn't one. Different people can relate to the songs in different ways, and just because we don't know what Scott was thinking when he wrote the songs just by listening to them, doesn't mean that we can't have our own interpretation of them. If you just cannot in any way relate to the songs, fine, but speak for yourself and not everyone.

a person might believe that the moon is made of cheese, Tony Blair is his daughter and aliens live in dustbins - doesn't change the fact thats nonsense, yet it means something to them

And a lot of people might think that the Jean Genie lives on his back and loves chimney stacks... That whole song, and many other of Bowie's songs, some of my favorite songs ever, can't be taken literally, but that doesn't make them bad songs or bad lyrics. And people have their own interpretations of his songs and can relate to them in different ways.

An understanding of the audience is crucial  - Scott is demonstrating a very limited understanding of this.

Tell that to Bowie fans - and there are many of them. I don't think they think his lyrics are shit just because they "don't make sense."

[darkmonth]

The lyrics are as boring and clichee as the music.

erm... take a listen to YOUR stuff before slating VR's music!  haha... I mean... Holy shit dude... what's this crap???

"no one pays the price i pay
everybody's talkin', walkin' away
but no one pays the price i pay
everyday
i'm the one"

... duh


I'd actually like to point out one thing here... to all the jackasses who seem to forget... lyrics mean the least in a vocal part... the most important bit is the MELODY!  Which Scott has loads of.

[Captain Obvious]

I have to agree with Izzy,

People who say that lyrics are open to interpretation and cannot be classified as "good" by one person, that's bs.

This kind of thinking opens up the door to 13 year old pseudo intellectuals writing nonesense and then hiding behind the notion that "lyrics are open to interpretation"  to sound smart.

A great lyric means an effective and creative way of sending out a message. A great lyricist will find a perfect point of balance between these two.

Otherwise, if you claim this issue to be so subjective, whats the point of arguing over it? Well the point is, it's not as subjective as many of you want it to be, and at the end of the line, there are quality standards.

[Mr Cowbell ?]

My point was just about what the lyrics mean - after all i like the songs, the weakness of the lyrics doesn't destroy the album but i think is a point that can be raised with it

Its pretty evident that without the lyrics booklet and an deailed history of Scott's problems the songs are virtually impossible to decipher

I agree izzy, they are catchy and without the booklet I would need some pot to make some sense. I still can't figure out what Tapeworm Abortion means?