Axl Rose #7 in Top 100 Frontmen of all Time in UK Classic Rock magazine

[D]

bon scott number 1?  fucking pleaseeeeeeeeee


he isnt even the number 1 frontman in his own fuckin band

brian johnson has wrote way better songs and has had shit loads more success than bon did


no jon bon jovi on that list? what the fuck?

[the dirt]

So where is the full list?
DLR belongs there for sure, one of the best ever

[Imfuckincrazy]

Say what you want, but Axl is up there with some legendary people, Scott isn't. That's a fact and has nothing to do with opinion.

   
I phrased my post wrong. I didn't mean that I agree with what Slash, Duff, and Matt said, but I meant that their opinions hold more weight because they have worked with both Scott and Axl. That doesn't neccessarily mean that I agree with it. If you have a problem with their belief that Scott is a better frontman, complain to them about it.

Also, I see that my argument about "they have worked with them" doesn't make any sense because the list is based on image and voice.    

If you wanna keep praising Scott you can also say he's better than anybody on that top 10 list because most of them aren't active at the moment. But would you say Scott is the best frontman in the world because of that?

I didn't even praise Scott in my post, or say that he is better than anyone else for that matter. I said that lists like that are trash, which they are. As Chinasky said, "Then again these rankings never satisfy everybody..." Like I think that Freddie Mercury should have been number one, or another person should be at another number... not everyone is going to agree with everything on that list. I'm just saying that the list is not going to prove anyone's opinions right, because even the list itself is based on opinions. That was the whole entire point of my post.

Axl Rose is the better frontman of them. There's no contest. Scott might be better at the moment, but looking back at their careers, Axl beats him.

There's no way that I'm arguing with that at all and I would be fucking stupid to even try. I think that Axl should be higher on the list than he is - higher than Robert fucking Plant. I think that Scott's place on the list was fair (didn't I say that in another post?) Hell, I'm glad that he even made this list! A lot of great people didn't.

[Rockin' Rose]

bon scott number 1?  fucking pleaseeeeeeeeee
he isnt even the number 1 frontman in his own fuckin band
brian johnson has wrote way better songs and has had shit loads more success than bon did

Don't wanna sound like an idiot but you do know that Bon DIED?!!!

And I do know this is you opinion and I'm not saying you are wrong but if Bon hadn't died there would be no Brian Johnson who imo. can't really sing as well or with the same diversity that Bon did, don't know if Bon should be number one but definetly in top five.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

You really think slash or duff are goingto say oh axl is the best frontman we ever worked with, that he is much better than scott?

No, they will say the best guy is the guy who they are backing now.

[Imfuckincrazy]

You really think slash or duff are goingto say oh axl is the best frontman we ever worked with, that he is much better than scott?

No. People get all pissed off if they say this is their best album they've made, or Scott is the greatest frontman, but do people really expect them to say that Scott isn't as good as Axl, or say that their new album is mediocre? If so they are stupid beyond any explanations. Of course they aren't going to say that Axl is better. They're proud of their new band, and their new work, and I don't think people should get all pissed off over it.

If you are saying that's the only reason they said that, then you have problems for thinking you know everything. Not that I know the reason behind every word that comes out of their mouths, but from what they say, it seems that Scott is much easier to work with than Axl, therefore making him - in their eyes - a better frontman.

[D]

of course i know bon died, but i dont think he did enough to warrant the number 1 spot

im thinking this is more of a kurt cobain cause he died ranking than anything else

anyone knows that bon isnt number 1

[dave-gnfnr2k]

You really think slash or duff are goingto say oh axl is the best frontman we ever worked with, that he is much better than scott?

No. People get all pissed off if they say this is their best album they've made, or Scott is the greatest frontman, but do people really expect them to say that Scott isn't as good as Axl, or say that their new album is mediocre? If so they are stupid beyond any explanations. Of course they aren't going to say that Axl is better. They're proud of their new band, and their new work, and I don't think people should get all pissed off over it.

If you are saying that's the only reason they said that, then you have problems for thinking you know everything. Not that I know the reason behind every word that comes out of their mouths, but from what they say, it seems that Scott is much easier to work with than Axl, therefore making him - in their eyes - a better frontman.

No I am saying Axl is a better frontman period reguardless of what slash and duff claim.  But like I said, eventho they know Axl is a better frontman they are not going to say that. So just because they say Scott is better that does not mean its what they really believe.

[Imfuckincrazy]

No I am saying Axl is a better frontman period reguardless of what slash and duff claim.  But like I said, eventho they know Axl is a better frontman they are not going to say that. So just because they say Scott is better that does not mean its what they really believe.

First of all, you don't know them, so don't call them liars. They can think that Scott is a better frontman if they want to, but don't claim they are saying something other than what they believe if you don't know. I'm not saying that they really do believe that, because I don't know - and neither do you, yet you're saying that they absolutely do not believe it and are saying otherwise (calling them liars).

And you have never worked with Axl or Scott. As I said, I don't know the reasons behind their opinions, but I think they really do enjoy working with Scott more than kissing Axl's ass.

So my opinion is that while what you say could be true, they probably say that he is a better frontman because Scott is more willing to work with them, while Axl wanted everything to go his way.

Your opinion, on the other hand, is they don't really believe what they say and they are lying.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Why are you getting so mad? I just said, even if they know axl is better they are not going to say it.

As for what went on in the studio, were you there? I dont think so, so you dont know what happened.
But listen to what the new guys say about Axl and they say Axl always wants their  input to make the songs a team effort.

Btw according to Axl, slash was the dictaor and when he brought songs to the table, and axl asked him to work on them slash refused.

[Falcon]

Btw according to Axl, slash was the dictaor and when he brought songs to the table, and axl asked him to work on them slash refused.

Maybe the songs Axl brought to the table were substandard and/or in written a musical direction Slash deemed unworthy.

[younggunner]

If Slash, Duff, and Matt think he is a better frontman than Axl, I definitely think their opinion is of higher value than that of the people who created this list,

Your not implying that the trio think Scott is a better frontmen than Weiland are you? If so please show me where they said that.

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Maybe the songs Axl brought to the table were substandard and/or in written a musical direction Slash deemed unworthy.

Perhaps, but until Slash delivers something that comes close to what he did with GNR musically then he cant act as if what he wanted to do was any good either.

 

[Falcon]

Perhaps, but until Slash delivers something that comes close to what he did with GNR musically then he cant act as if what he wanted to do was any good either.

 

He's just delivered what appears to be a number 1 record, a hot single and a sold out tour and is getting his music to an audience he'd never reached within the confines of GNR.

So perhaps his dissatisfaction or apparent lack of interest in Axl's material has been justified.

[Booker Floyd]

Say what you want, but Axl is up there with some legendary people, Scott isn't. That's a fact and has nothing to do with opinion.

Slash wasnt on Rolling Stones 100 greatest guitarists...I guess he just doesnt have what it takes to be in the same company as Jack White.  It was on a magazine list, so I guess its a fact.

Axl Rose is the better frontman of them. There's no contest. Scott might be better at the moment, but looking back at their careers, Axl beats him.

Thats not what the admistrator of an STP board will tell you.

I agree, Axl in his prime is the greatest frontman ever, but its subjective.  

How often do you hear people mentioning Robert Plant, Freddie Mercury, Steven Tyler etc in the same sentence as Scott?

Not much...but I hear a lot of Jagger, Bowie and Iggy.  And Im sure if you checked out a few articles on him, you would too.

If you wanna keep praising Scott you can also say he's better than anybody on that top 10 list because most of them aren't active at the moment. But would you say Scott is the best frontman in the world because of that?

I believe theyre comparing Scott to present-day (2002) Axl, who is still somewhat active...

[younggunner]

He's just delivered what appears to be a number 1 record, a hot single and a sold out tour

Falcon, I respect your opinion on music...you seem to be like an honest dude...let me ask you in a different way....

On that same #1 album that Slash has just delivered, are there any classic on there that we will hear on the radio decades from now such as the songs Slash has created with GNr? IS there a song on that #1 album you speak of that is an anthem type song like WTTJ, that muscially alone pumps you up? IS there anything on CB that comes close to what Slash has done with gNr?

and is getting his music to an audience he'd never reached within the confines of GNR.

What the STP audience? Are you serious? First of all the STP audience either loved GNr back in the day or hated them. If the ones that hated GNr in the past are into VR now, its soley because of their hero, Weiland.
And I might add those STP fans arent even happy with VR. They dont like it musically and they dont even think thier own hero stepped up.

IMO, CB is a much better step in the right direction compared to his previous solo effort, Snakepit. With that being said it still doesnt come close to what hes capable of doing.

And if Slash wanted to just "rock on" and "jam" so be it. I dont have a problem with that. I dont want to be a fan of a band that has their own agenda and cannot give you thier ultimate effort. But I dont also have to think Slash's vision was any better than Axls. To mem he hasnt justified anything yet. Niether has Axl. That is why CD will decide that. We have heard from Slash and we are patiently awaiting Axl....

[Falcon]

Falcon, I respect your opinion on music...you seem to be like an honest dude...let me ask you in a different way....

On that same #1 album that Slash has just delivered, are there any classic on there that we will hear on the radio decades from now such as the songs Slash has created with GNr? IS there a song on that #1 album you speak of that is an anthem type song like WTTJ, that muscially alone pumps you up? IS there anything on CB that comes close to what Slash has done with gNr?

Who knows?  That's an answer only time will tell.  That said, the odds aren't good for that type of reception.  

I should also add that from what we've heard from Axl so far, the odds of his material being played decades from now are slim and none.

Just my opinion.

What the STP audience?

Not just the STP audience, the entire modern rock audience.

They just played a festival sponsored by the most influential modern rock station in the US that has never even considered GNR as a viable entity for their listenership.  

Past, present and dare I say, future.

[younggunner]

That said, the odds aren't good for that type of reception.  

Why not?
Is it because its just the flavor of the week?

should also add that from what we've heard from Axl so far, the odds of his material being played decades from now are slim and none.

Fair enough..and I agree. I love the new gnr songs to death but I know that they arent timeless classics in terms of radio,etc. Unless the studio versions are out of this world. But I agree.

But we also havnt heard the bulk of the material.

They just played a festival sponsored by the most influential modern rock station in the US that has never even considered GNR as an viable entity for their listenership.

Ok and does STP have anything to do with Modern/alternative rock? The link is Weiland. If lets say BAch was singing for Vr instead would Vr be doing that show?

[Falcon]

That said, the odds aren't good for that type of reception.  

Why not?
Is it because its just the flavor of the week?

I don't think it's a "flavor of the week question", more a "sign of the times"
statement.  

It's my contention none of the original members will ever have the same heights of success they did before, the musical landscape isn't built for that anymore.  The material is much more accessible now.  Hell, I saw VR on a Friday night and had the DVD of that very show 5 days later.

Ok and does STP have anything to do with Modern/alternative rock? The link is Weiland. If lets say BAch was singing for Vr instead would Vr be doing that show?

As my post history will show, I've had that opinion from the start.  No matter, the results are what they are, Slash's music is getting heard
by that particular audience.

[younggunner]

It's my contention none of the original members will ever have the same heights of success they did before, the musical landscape isn't built for that anymore.  The material is much more accessible now.  Hell, I saw VR on a Friday night and had the DVD of that very show 5 days later.

My point was that being that rock music blows, of course Vr will be successful{and rightfully so, its a good album}, with that being said that doesnt mean its classic or what there truly capable of imo.

And I agree, its virtually impossible for VR and even GNr to achieve what old GNR achieved. even if the music was just as good. Its a whole different beast now.

No matter, the results are what they are, Slash's music is getting heard
by that particular audience.

Thats fine, but you made it seem it was because of his playing. Its more of it being presented to them because of the situation rather than his playing taking over all genres or formats by storm

[Mr Cowbell ?]

Maybe you thought Eric Dover and Rod Jackson were better than Axl too because Axl kept a low profile when Snakepit 1 and 2 were around?  



/jarmo

That's too fucking funny both of them combined would make crappy singers in bad cover bands. Slash should of swollen his ego long ago and realised he needed a GREAT VOICE for him to go over after GnR