The eternal "Chinese Democracy"/"Contraband" debate.

[Mr Cowbell ?]

Why must we compare. VR has no member who will be on CD, and CD has no memeber who is part of VR. they are two seperate things and why cant we enjoy them both afterall.


CD + VR = GNR

[Slashly]

This may be off topic, but in regards to FTP vs. November Rain.  In my opinion November Rain sucks.  I think it's an overproduced, over long, self indulgent piece of crap.  I thought the acoustic demo was much better, and I think they should have recorded it more along those lines.  Synthesizers, strings, fucking flutes for God's sakes? I am glad that FTP or any song on CB doesn't sound like it.  If that is the kind production CD is going to have then it could quite possibly be the worst album of all time in my opinion.

There?s a song called "You are fucking crazy" does it sound to you??Cause you are!!!!!!!How can you like Gn?R and don?t like November Raain.You are the first person I know that doesn?t like it!!!Dude, you?re nuts!!!!!!



Baby Slash//

[Old Man In Chains]

There?s a song called "You are fucking crazy" does it sound to you??Cause you are!!!!!!!How can you like Gn?R and don?t like November Raain.You are the first person I know that doesn?t like it!!!Dude, you?re nuts!!!!!!

I think I adequately explained why I don't like it.  I think it could have been cool with a stripped down arangement and different production.  To me it is the song the destroyed the original spirit of GNR.  Although I agree, most GNR fans like the song.  The Slash solo at the end is kind of cool.  

[SlashFan]

Argh!

After reading the other thread about how "Chinese Democracy" will blow "Contraband" away, and the senseless bickering over who's opinion means more than someone else's, and the eternal conflict between Guns N' Roses and Velvet Revolver, I've simply been reminded as to why I can't be bothered to post here more often.

Since basically everyone else here posted their opinons of "Contraband" already, then fuck, I might as well toss mine into the hat too!

Like many others, I was severely disappointed in this album. Now, since I didn't like it as much as I thought I would, then that means that I don't appreciate good music or something to that effect, right? If that's how you're thinking, then fuck off. I will say, the album didn't suck, but it sure isn't the greatest album since 1987 as K-Rock foolishly referred to it as. Sure, I definitely enjoyed "Sucker Train Blues", "Headspace", "Set Me Free", "Slither" and "Dirty Little Thing", and hell, "You Got No Right" was pretty good too, but the rest of the album did seem very mediocre and average to me. The music itself was pretty good, but Weiland's lyrics left alot to be desired.

I must also say that I'm concerned about Slash. Sure, the guy is one of the reasons why I play guitar in the first place, but for him to compare "Fall To Pieces" to "November Rain" was beyond ridiculous. Sure, musically, it was a very good ballad, but what the fuck is up with the lyrics? They're not even close lyrically! I literally thought my CD was skipping because all I heard was the chorus over and over again. Let me also go back to the lyrics. "Everytime I'm falling down, all alone I fall to pieces". It seems as though Weiland wasn't even really trying. I think that maybe I like "Dirty Little Thing" because Keith Nelson from Buckcherry co-wrote it, which helps. Weiland shouldn't have been greedy about the writing credits. I'm sure the tracks co-written with Izzy were much much better lyrics-wise, and a few should have made the final cut.

Basically, to sum it up: "Contraband" is better than alot of shit around today, but it sure as fuck isn't the best CD released since 1987. Bands like The Wildhearts, Buckcherry, The Darkness, and Beautiful Creatures have all released way better albums than this. Just because Slash, Duff, and Matt are in this band doesn't mean that anything they release will be amazing. Weiland really wasn't the right person to be fronting this band at all, in my ever so humble opinion.

My conclusion? When "Chinese Democracy" is released, it is going to blow "Contraband" out of the water. The title track, "Madagascar", and "The Blues" smoke anything on "Contraband". Is my opinion weighed more heavily than anyone else's? Of course not. It just blows my mind that TyRod and K-Rock can make silly comments such as "If CD is half as good as VR, then I'll be happy". Well, you're both in for a treat then, because "Contraband" won't even have a leg to stand on when Axl puts out CD. You both know that its going to be a great CD, but you both need to save face and won't admit it, but hey, whatever suits you.

OH OH! LOOK, HE'S AN AXL SUPPORTER, I KNEW IT! True, I support Axl, but I will be the first to admit, the guy isn't perfect. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean that Slash, Duff, and Matt are invincible and/or excused either. If you like "Contraband", great. If you were somewhat disappointed in it like I was, whatever. If you're like K-Rock and think that this is the greatest thing since sliced bread, then fine. It may be a little scary, but fine.

Fuck, I'm almost afraid to see the threads that are sure to be coming when "Chinese Democracy" is released. Remind me to take shelter.

Again, I'm sorry for ranting, but the juvenile antics by the people on this board are just becoming too much to handle. Stop the first grade bickering, and let it fucking be already!

-Jeff

Get over it,who cares what anyone thinks.I like VR,sure they sound a little like the old GN'R,but the VR is VR and the now GN'R is the new GN'R,two different bands,I like both bands and I think it's all cool music.

[Neemo]

And hey, K-Rock, like I said dude, if you think that "Contraband" is great, then I'm glad you like it. As I said, its not a horrible album, I just find it pretty bland. If you dig it, you dig it, and hey, that's what music is, right? Fuck, I like The Darkness, you like The Darkness, and Neemo can't stand Justin Hawkins' voice. Now, I may disagree, but does that change his opinion? Probably not. Its his opinion, and its cool. Hell, he's foolish for not liking Justin's voice.   (Just kidding, Neemo.)

Remember folks, I'm not an asshole, I'm just opinionated  

I don't know what it is. Just not in to it.  It may be that the Darkness is supposed to be bringing back "hair metal" but I can't compare them to anything I listened to way back in the day.  But I also said I've only heard a couple tunes (or I meant to say it anyway) and haven't really given them a shot yet. I'll get around to it sometime though I'm sure.

I like to listen to new shit (just for the sake of hearing it and having an opinion). For instance 'System Of a Down" singer is the FUCKING WORST. He sucks alot of ass. the absolute worst. If I think a singer is bad, I compare it to him and he's always the worst(I don't know his name) but alot of my freinds like them so, whatever, they are entitled to an opinion ( I just make fun of his crappy singing, and try to imitate it  ) But that gets me to:

Remember folks, I'm not an asshole, I'm just opinionated  

Thats funny shit but I AM and Asshole. And over opinionated.

[Neemo]

OK Burning Hills,

I have now listened to The Darkness, and all I can say is that I  LMFAO, now as for my "informed" opinion of them, Wow, they have some decent musicians in the band but I wouldn't say that the singer is one of them. Neat music, funny ass lyrics, bad, bad singer, and definately, 100%, absolutely no question, VR is a way fuckin better band, anytime, anyday!

But hey they are definately not in the same category in my opinion. Justin or whatever it is reminds me of Robert Smith (The Cure) at times and a goof at others. but definately a poke at 80's music (It must have started as a Joke). Velvet revolver is an evolution of 90's music. (And much more serious I might add)
The darkness will be done in a year or two (At the most) (I'm bored with them after 2 days). VR has serious staying power (A week later and I still can't get enough)

Just my opinion is all!

[HoldenCaulfield]

Pure brilliance, dude! A lot of people viewed 'Contraband' as "a return to gritty rock n' roll", and while it's definitely a step in the right direction, at least compared to the overall scheme of today's music, it's nowhere near what most people have been saying. At best, it's a *good* rock record, nothing more. From what we've heard, Axl still has his magic, and a super band behind him, 'Chinese Democracy' will blow 'Contraband' outta the water. 20 years from now, 'Chinese Democracy' will be remembered as a classic album: 20 years from now, people will be saying "what's Contraband?"...

[ClintroN]

you are so right Jeff, i get your point n' you couldnt be more right

Like ive said heaps of times the album was rushed to fast, when the wait is over we wont give a shit how long we waited, we'll be thanking Axl for giving us a fucking great album

[McClane]

You just  can't compare Contraband to Chinese Democracy...First, because CD will probably never see the day...and just in case it come out sometimes in the next 10 years, you will need to compare the 5 last VR records to Chinese Democracy  

[LionGoddess]

Haven't posted here in forever, most of you probably don't remember me. Part of the reason I stopped posting here was because it was the same old shit all the time. I admit I was probably just as guilty as anyone for fueling the fire, but it got old really fast.
I have been reading various threads on here over the past couple of days and it looks like things haven't really changed for the most part. Although I could be wrong. I think that it is ridiculous to compare Chinese Democracy to Contraband. If Axl ever does release the album than by all means compare it to Contraband all you want, but until then the discussion shouldn't even be had.