What New GNR can learn from Velvet Revolver's juggernaut

[Bubba St. Rose]

I'm a huge GNR fan, especially of slash and Axl. I'm a guitar player who considers slash a big influence. I've been listening to contraband non stop since tuesday. I really like the CD. HOWEVER, that being said I have to say that Contraband is not going to usher in a return to rock. There is nothing ground breaking, earth shattering or monumentally influential about any of the songs on the cd. Let's be real here, you'll never hear any of these songs played ont he radio 10 years from now. So I have to disagree with your comment minneapolis guy about how ground breaking the cd is. It's just straight ahead rock and roll. One thing that really dissapoints me about the cd is the fact that there are NO kick ass slash solos. All very generic.
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[younggunner]

The only way rock will be saved is if a new young band comes up. Thats it. The music landscape is so much different now that rock just has to take a backseat in the overall musical landscape.

Although MTV, corporations, boy bands,rap etc have pushed rock to the back of the cycle....rock has no band. ALl these up and coming bands i hear and see are flat out pussies. Nothing dangerous. Rock also has itself to blame. Its just flat out boring and predicatble.

Rock/grunge died in the mid 90's. It hasnt been back. Theres been some good bands to come along but nothin over the top that takes the whole musical landscape by storm. Its a different world.

[outlawaxl]

The only way rock will be saved is if a new young band comes up. Thats it. The music landscape is so much different now that rock just has to take a backseat in the overall musical landscape.

Although MTV, corporations, boy bands,rap etc have pushed rock to the back of the cycle....rock has no band. ALl these up and coming bands i hear and see are flat out pussies. Nothing dangerous. Rock also has itself to blame. Its just flat out boring and predicatble.

Rock/grunge died in the mid 90's. It hasnt been back. Theres been some good bands to come along but nothin over the top that takes the whole musical landscape by storm. Its a different world.

too true... but most new bands cant capture the danger of the old rock bands... they arent dystroying TV's and Hotel Rooms and jumping into crowds coz they are dangerous.. they do it coz they saw it on TV done by the originals... GnR, Motley, Led Zep, Stones..

Sadly IMO Rock has been pushed to the edge.. as far as it can go.. Untill someone new comes along and does something new or exciting its going to stay the same "oh thats just another rock record"

Marlyn Manson was close put he was at the wrong time in music... Rock was dead when Manson said that....

Metallica tried with thier new album... I liked that album but its just all been done before...

I really belive the only one who can bring the "excitement" and "danger" you were talking about back to Rock n Roll is W. Axl Rose....

will he?? I guess thats what were all waiting to see... Try or Fail it will still be good music.. it might not set the world on fire again but it will be good music....

[St.heathen]

IT's funny we are all sitting on our asses telling people who have lived the rock life and have been on top of the world.

People telling Axl Rose how he should go about his life and business - nah nah doesn't work like that.  If you want that, follow Pop Idol and that shit cause Axl Rose is his own artist.

I really don't see him approaching the promotion of CD too differently than the way he has with the past albums.  You'll see a couple of big interviews but i don't think he is going to bust a gut doing all the PR - he doesn't trust the media and GNR never bothered with tv appearences ect  

And those criticising VR for being 40 yr olds singing about sex drugs and rockn' roll embarressing ?? What the fuck have you done with your life to fucking judge people living and loving their jobs that they are too old??

They are not sitting in front of a comp sticking their noses into other peoples lives - you are, we are.  These guys are not actors when you bought Appetite - that was the real deal. So to say you cant be into all that at 40 is fucking stupid.  (chills out lol)  no but that pissed me off.  They have all nearly died for their passion you know? so to look on it as some kind of marketing thing is just bull.

Let Axl and VR both do what their into -  let them get on with it. They have all been there and done it, we are just mere on-lookers.  Let them grow  if you can do better then let's hear it.  That's the only way rock will become at the fore front - more perminantly again - is if you go and support local bands, actually buy their albums and go to gigs, not just downloading everything - new bands need sales.  Record companies don't let bands grow anymore, it's all down to cold cash.

And as with all music you have to listen with an open mind otherwise nothing will ever be as good as the stuff u have listened to for years- simple.
 

[St.heathen]

too true... but most new bands cant capture the danger of the old rock bands... they arent dystroying TV's and Hotel Rooms and jumping into crowds coz they are dangerous.. they do it coz they saw it on TV done by the originals... GnR, Motley, Led Zep, Stones..

Sadly IMO Rock has been pushed to the edge.. as far as it can go.. Untill someone new comes along and does something new or exciting its going to stay the same "oh thats just another rock record"

Marlyn Manson was close put he was at the wrong time in music... Rock was dead when Manson said that....

Metallica tried with thier new album... I liked that album but its just all been done before...

I really belive the only one who can bring the "excitement" and "danger" you were talking about back to Rock n Roll is W. Axl Rose....

will he?? I guess thats what were all waiting to see... Try or Fail it will still be good music.. it might not set the world on fire again but it will be good music....

I would agree with most of what you said there particuarly with the Marilyn Manson and Metallica points.  Metallica - that was a strange one because whether people claim to like it or not it is a brutal fucking album.  

The problem is nothing is perfect enough anymore the internet has turned music fans into geeks lol and everyones a critic.  You have people moaning about production - i'd like to hear what they have worked on themselves but from that you have people planning out a bands PR schedule too lol  This is not The Sims you know? lol

Marilyn Manson was really - i think, the last big rock star and even he pales in comparison with the GNR guys. His master piece imo was Mechanical Animals - since then he has seemingly tried to go back wards rather then keeping himself fresh and new.  And has lost alot of his original fan base from what i have seen.  

  At the moment you have "metal bands" dressed like boybands and  jumping aroung on stage but looking fake and goofy on it you know?  

If you look at the gothy bands like HIM and the new ones Rasmus, they look like copies of what has been and haven't got the material that makes the artists they are copying great.  With most bands these days, they either have the look but not the music or they have some great songs but their albums full of fillers.