The Worst Thing about VR

[St.heathen]

The main reason they got scott is to sell albums.
They know with scott it would appeal to a lot more people than if they would have gotten Bach. If they got Bach then they would have been looked upon as a hair metal retred band and modern rock stations would not touch them.
So event though Bach is a much better singer and songer writer, scott equals more album sales thus they picked him instead. Here is the simpliest way of looking at it.
What album would sell more, one that sounds like stp or one that sounds like skid row?

Perhaps the difference between those who are into VR and those who have a problem.  Is really just over who the singer is?  

I know i love STP anyway and i'm being totally honest when i say if Bach was there i wouldn't be half as interested in VR as i am with Weiland.  

Have you seen the GAK bootleg?  Fuck man Bach murdered everything he sang - when playing with really great musicians, he just looked out of his depth.  I mean come on anyone who even attempts to out do Axl on the live stage is just going to look foolish.  AXL is the man.  

The difference between Axl and Scott - put in basic terms is that Axl is your Plant/Jagger and Weiland is your Iggy/Bowie.  They share certain qualities but are different worlds.  

I think Weiland is as close a talent to that of Axl's than anyone out there at the moment.  In terms of depth of charactor and lyric writing.  

[Booker Floyd]

So event though Bach is a much better singer and songer writer, scott equals more album sales thus they picked him instead.

Haha, is that so?

Here is your quote, which is a blatant lie.

btw im looking forward to the projects album.
Im so glad they didnt pick Bach, because he really would have made the album suck.

 

You did read...quotes in his own words right? And now he is changing his mind...Id call that lying. What do  you call it?

 

[dragan0T3]

OK - just got it, and it's as I feared.  The mastering sucks (George Marino at Sterling Sound, NY)!  People these days think it has to be loud to be good.    It ruins dynamic range and distorts the sound.  Unbelievable - it's all these nu metal bands that have nothing to offer except dB's.

[Dizzy]

Bach is a much better singer and songer writer,

Firstly, it's amusing how Booker pointed out your glaring contradiction.

Secondly, Bach is indeed one of the best singers alive, but I don't see how you can call him a great songwriter, because he's hardly written anything in his career.  Most Skid Row lyrics was written by their bass player Rachel Bolan.  Bach didn't even contribute vocal melodies a lot of the time.  On their first album, there were 11 songs, and Sebastian Bach only cowrote one song.  The other ten, he had no part in writing.  He contributed a bit more to the later albums, but hardly any lyrics.

[SLCPUNK]

So event though Bach is a much better singer and songer writer, scott equals more album sales thus they picked him instead.

Haha, is that so?

Here is your quote, which is a blatant lie.

btw im looking forward to the projects album.
Im so glad they didnt pick Bach, because he really would have made the album suck.

 

You did read...quotes in his own words right? And now he is changing his mind...Id call that lying. What do  you call it?

 

haha, Booker..well done!

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Bach is a much better singer and songer writer,

Firstly, it's amusing how Booker pointed out your glaring contradiction.

Secondly, Bach is indeed one of the best singers alive, but I don't see how you can call him a great songwriter, because he's hardly written anything in his career.  Most Skid Row Lyrics was written by their bass player Rachel Bolan.  Bach didn't even contribute vocal melodies a lot of the time.  On their first album, there were 11 times, and Sebastian Bach only cowrote one song.  The other ten, he had no part in writing.  He contributed a bit more to the later albums, but hardly any lyrics.

Oh no I was wrong about Bach writing lyrics but he is still a better singer, and the reason they picked Scott is because the know they would sell more albums will scott? You really think if they had Bach as the lead singer they would be getting as much air play or hype?

[Booker Floyd]

Oh no I was wrong about Bach writing lyrics

I thought that was lying?  

So even when you "wrongly" thought Sebastian Bach was a better songwriter and singer, you thought he would "really make the album suck"?  Your backpeddling on this one should be stunning, although chances are youll just dodge the question.

but he is still a better singer

But, correct me if Im wrong, "he would really make the album suck," right?  So what are you trying to prove?

and the reason they picked Scott is because the know they would sell more albums will scott? You really think if they had Bach as the lead singer they would be getting as much air play or hype?

So the possibility that they genuinely preferred Weiland as an artist simply doesnt exist?

[dave-gnfnr2k]

I said the Bach album will SELL LESS because VR would be viewed as a hair band.
The album could be better but it would still sell less than the Weiland VR.
Got it  

As for the best choice, that was josh todd but they did not want to work with him.
So answer my question.
What singer would sell more albums with VR, bach or weiland?

[Booker Floyd]

I said the Bach album will SELL LESS because VR would be viewed as a hair band.

 

The quote is right there...you said:

"Im so glad they didnt pick Bach, because he really would have made the album suck."

So answer my question.
What singer would sell more albums with VR, bach or weiland?

Weiland...whats your point?  That in no way indicates that the VR guys secretly wanted Bach but settled for Weiland to sell more records.

[Eazy E]

What album would sell more, one that sounds like stp or one that sounds like skid row?

STP, because they're a better band.  

[delvis]

Scott is a great vocalist.  They didn't pick him BECAUSE he would sell records, they picked him for what he can do musically.  Contraband is a kick ass album with some really great songs on it.  I love it start to finish and I am pleased to have another great album with Weiland all over it.  He is top notch.  You people who aren't digging it are wasting your time here telling people who do like it.  Why do you bother spouting off about shit you, don't know about and can't control.  VR are rockin' and why can't you appreciate it.  Axl will put something out sometime and then we can have this discussion, maybe.  But for the time being, feel blessed that we have this album in a music world that is currently full of nothing but fucking shit.  The album is brilliant, if you just shut up and listen to it.

Dennis

[TK1]

I'm sure Weiland's following and more modern sound did have an influence on Slash and Duff.   He's a great front man and has the sound they were looking for, so who can blame them for going for a proven commodity?  You think the GN'R / VR comparisons are bad now, imagine if they had picked Bach!  He vocally is similar to Axl in that he has a great range to go along with his strong voice.  Not only would they have been dismissed as a flashback to 80's hair metal, but it would've looked like they were trying to hold on to their GN'R heritage too much by picking a singer similar to Axl.  I even remember Slash saying in their search for a lead singer, they had people trying to be the second coming of Axl and they totally wanted to avoid that.  The GN'R comparions will never stop, but by picking Scott instead of Bach, they have a much better chance of establishing themselves as a new, fresh band....

[tomass74]

Scott was perfect for this album and he kicks ass the whole way through. I am so glad we have this, I have been waiting for music like this for a long ass time. I liked Skid Row in the day but I am SOOO glad they didn't pick Bach for this band.

[Snakepit__]

I am a big Gnr + Slash fan and i had high expectations from Contaband as it was made by 3 persons who made UYIs.

For me it is just a good album but it is not great and it doesn't come close to AFD and UYIs.

The main thing that i really dislike about VR is not scot weiland, is not the shitty production,  is not the few buried slash solos nor the
lyrics.

The Worst thing that pisses me off is the Comments of VR and especially Slash,Duff,Matt.

1st slash claims that It is the best record he made. Thats obviously Bullshit cause in this album he is playing less solos and lead guitar than his previous records. His solos are not as emotional and imaginative as in the Past (except YGNR + FTP). Also I cannot find riffs in the album that really stick in your mind except maybe superhuman + slither.

2nd Slash claims that He cannot compare Vr to anything. I mean this is Bullshit again. How can he feel that Vr are so great for him and they only have one album that is not released and they are together for very little time. Even Scott was in the rehab for the most Part. How Can he Even try to compare VR with GNR which was his whole life and artistic career  and made him Who he Is

3rd espacially Matt claims that Scott is the Best frontman and i think Duff and slash agreed on that. I mean Axl Is far superior to Scott.
1st scott is influenced a lot in his attitude by axl. then Axl has more trademark Voice than scot and His Lyrics are Far better. Just Listen At the monsters Axl has composed.

4rth and most important. They all Fucking claim That They are Here to bring Back Rock And Roll. In all the concerts Scott claims that they are the real rock And Roll. That is Bulshitt. You Cannot claim Things Like that. Things Like That are Recognised By the Audience And People. They are the Real test and History proves how significant each Band Was. When you make stements like that even before releasing the album the Biggest Chances are that you will look like Fool afterwards. How Can This Been The Return Of Rock and Roll when Your Frontman is A Clear Alternative Frontman. Second When you choose as a producer Someone who produces albums that are not even close to Rock and Roll. 3rd How Can they save rock and Roll when  they are doing  everything the music indistry implies and they do exactly the same thing every band does to release an album and Tour nowadays.

To me Slash, duff, Matt are not as true as they claim anymore and they are trying to be succesfull by not really following their Hearts.
They Could have Pick another singer rather than scott. They choose him cause he was succesfull so they could hit the big maney for sure.

My predictions are that we won't see another VR Album.

Time to rip everything you said apart.

1. It really pisses me off when people say there won't be another VR record. They signed a 3 record deal.
2. Maybe Slash feels different about this work than any of his work before
3. He can't compare it to anything in the sence that he doesn't think it sounds like anything else.
4. Not another Axl vs Scott debate. Slash, Duff and Matt chose Scott. They chose who they wanted. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks they should do, they are grown men who can make there own choices.
5. I don't knowwhat album you listened to, but this is rock n roll. Alternative is a relative term. If they didn't have scott you wouldn't be using that term.

Thats So Fucking True!