The Worst Thing about VR

[jarmo]

Thank you Booker for not understanding my post and making "simple-minded" assumptions about it.

I didn't say that was the ONLY reason, as you pointed out, there probably were more reasons.

They didn't choose a guy like Sebastian Back because they would've sounded like Skid Row. That kind of music doesn't get played on modern rock radio stations does it? Instead they got Scott and where is VR played?

As far as I remember, they didn't say anything about not choosing Bach (or anybody else) because they sucked. Bach was just "too Skid Row".



/jarmo

[Surge]

They didn't choose a guy like Sebastian Back because they would've sounded like Skid Row. That kind of music doesn't get played on modern rock radio stations does it? Instead they got Scott and where is VR played?

As far as I remember, they didn't say anything about not choosing Bach (or anybody else) because they sucked. Bach was just "too Skid Row".

/jarmo

Bach obviously doesn't suck. He has a cool voice and he does it great. But yeah. When picking Weiland they got a guy with a more modern sound - which is something they obviously wanted. It just seems like Weiland has gotten a way too big part of this thing. But they didn't want to release an 80s record. Anyway, why couldn't they have done that with Bach and Izzy in instead? Or taken it further back than GnR to some even more Stones inspired rock mixed with some modern music? With a good producer that could've happened. Did they just not do it due to their incapability to actually sound fresh and new on their own?

[dragan0T3]

Contraband is an OK album - none of the songs are bad, but then again none really really stand out.  It's all solid but I doubt that I'll be listening to it much by fall.  Having found mp3s of it I must say the production and mastering were horrible (though I hope that whoever made mp3s screwed up the quality).  Again, record co.'s think that 'louder is better', and thus they kill any true dynamic range.  Furthermore, there isn't much diversity on this record in terms of length, lyrics, instrumentation/orchestration.  However, it is better than most albums out there these days (isn't saying much).

BTW "Fall to Pieces" sounds like "Back and Forth Again" from Snakepit 1.0, "You Got No Right" sounds like STP's "Sour Girl", and "Loving the Alien" sounds like Pink Floyd though it's the best of the three ballads.

"Do It for the Kids" is the most new sounding and interesting song they've attempted.  Other than that it's a mix of Snakepit, Duff's solo stuff, and STP.

And you're right - S. Weiland was chosen because of his new rock alternative scene with STP.

[DRUNK]

Why do you think they chose Scott? I think GNROSAS has a point, they knew they might go places that they couldn't if they had somebody else singing for them.

Exactly.  

Scott is famous.  Scott has a big fan base.  Having a well known dude with a fan base=more support from the record company and more records sold.  If they had chose an unknown, then VR would have Snakepit like success.  Nothing more.

Do I think the boys honestly believe Scott was the best frontman?  Absolutely not.  I'm sure out of all the people they auditioned, they came across some star like unknown's.  There definitly had to be people better than Scott.  However, if they chose an unknown singer, they wouldn't have gotten all the press and success they're having now.  That's the truth.

Another benefit of having someone already established is that the band becomes more equal.  All those guys are already rich and have experienced it all.  A new guy in that situation might not function well.  

[liquidvirus]

Why do you think they chose Scott? I think GNROSAS has a point, they knew they might go places that they couldn't if they had somebody else singing for them.

Exactly.  

Scott is famous.  Scott has a big fan base.  Having a well known dude with a fan base=more support from the record company and more records sold.  If they had chose an unknown, then VR would have Snakepit like success.  Nothing more.

Do I think the boys honestly believe Scott was the best frontman?  Absolutely not.  I'm sure out of all the people they auditioned, they came across some star like unknown's.  There definitly had to be people better than Scott.  However, if they chose an unknown singer, they wouldn't have gotten all the press and success they're having now.  That's the truth.

Another benefit of having someone already established is that the band becomes more equal.  All those guys are already rich and have experienced it all.  A new guy in that situation might not function well.  

If they wanted that they would not have had dave in the band either!
and scott isn't all that well known...im pretty sure that slash has a bigger fanbase.
if they really eanted to go for a celbrity lead singer they would have got someone more in touch with the youth like marilyn manson or kid rock or someone
if you look at the live performance's , you can make out scott is exuberant and enthusiastic bout this band.....and they do share some sort of chemistry

[jarmo]

BTW "Fall to Pieces" sounds like "Back and Forth Again" from Snakepit 1.0

I was thinking about that too when I listened to it, but couldn't figure out what it sounded like.....

So it was a Snakepit track.



/jarmo

[Eazy E]

"You Got No Right" sounds like STP's "Sour Girl"

WTF are you talking about?... and Like a Stone sounds like Black Hole Sun.....  

Anyways, I think there was some truth to the bands comments about Scott walking in on his audition with confidence.  Any unknowns that came in would probably be in awe of playing a song with Slash and the other gunners, and any confidence would be a forced "Look I can handle this position" shtick.  Scott's pretty famous and wouldn't be intimidated at all by playing with those guys.  Neither would a Sebastian Bach, but they wouldn't have a good sound.

[dragan0T3]

"You Got No Right" sounds like STP's "Sour Girl"

WTF are you talking about?... and Like a Stone sounds like Black Hole Sun.....  

Anyways, I think there was some truth to the bands comments about Scott walking in on his audition with confidence.  Any unknowns that came in would probably be in awe of playing a song with Slash and the other gunners, and any confidence would be a forced "Look I can handle this position" shtick.  Scott's pretty famous and wouldn't be intimidated at all by playing with those guys.  Neither would a Sebastian Bach, but they wouldn't have a good sound.

The 2nd verse of YGNR...

"Funny right here I find myself
Inside a paper cup
Without a warning or a reason it's a treason
With no answer"

...sounds very similar to verses in Sour Girl (both vocally and instrumentally).  But like I said it's still good.

There are some solos that just click in my head and remind me of some Snakepit ones (esp. Snakepit 2.0).

[Booker Floyd]

[The 2nd verse of YGNR...

"Funny right here I find myself
Inside a paper cup
Without a warning or a reason it's a treason
With no answer"

...sounds very similar to verses in Sour Girl (both vocally and instrumentally).  

 

You might want to elaborate on that one...

[blues_rock_axeman]

The whole attitude thing doesn't work for me, it's embarrasing more than anything. They claim to be dangerous and go on how they wanna bring "real" rock back to the map and all, when in fact the music is anything but dangerous. It's not even very creative. Without the right music to back such statements up, they just made a HUGE mistake with that. Why not just let the music do the talking?

Slash, Duff & Scott physically CANNOT AFFORD to be 'dangerous' individuals any more. The consequences would be catastrophic for their lives.

Matt is in his mid 40's, and Dave looks timid. I very much doubt trashing hotel rooms will be on the cards.

So how the fuck are they a 'dangerous' band??

Leave the new guys to be dangerous bands. And if they don't want to, fine. Sit back and laugh at how badass you were and how much of a pussy they are!

On with the rock, out with the talk. It's one thing that IS KILLING ROCK MUSIC.

[badgirl]

how about, the guys thought Scott was best for the band and his "cred" (if you want to call it that) was an extra incentive.

[Old Man In Chains]

I think they chose Scott because he is a great performer and is one of the few guys left who has a true rock star persona.  Not to mention that he is a good singer and wirtes good ocasionally great lyrics/melodies.  As far as YGNR sounding like Sour Girl, that's just retarded.  They are still dangerous because even though are supposedly sober right now, you never know what will happen with them which adds a level of excitment, something you ain't gonna find with Hoobastank.  And link old GNR, they do and say what the want whether other people like it or not.

[jrs2001_99]

Why do you think they chose Scott? I think GNROSAS has a point, they knew they might go places that they couldn't if they had somebody else singing for them.

Exactly.  

Scott is famous.  Scott has a big fan base.  Having a well known dude with a fan base=more support from the record company and more records sold.  If they had chose an unknown, then VR would have Snakepit like success.  Nothing more.

Do I think the boys honestly believe Scott was the best frontman?  Absolutely not.  I'm sure out of all the people they auditioned, they came across some star like unknown's.  There definitly had to be people better than Scott.  However, if they chose an unknown singer, they wouldn't have gotten all the press and success they're having now.  That's the truth.

Another benefit of having someone already established is that the band becomes more equal.  All those guys are already rich and have experienced it all.  A new guy in that situation might not function well.  

That's something that Slash actually said recently I think about Snakepit 2.0... He said something along the lines of him never really gettting it to gel properly because he was the only one of the band who had been there, done that sorta thing. The rest of them were virtual unknowns, and probably awestruck simply at the notion of sharing a stage with Slash, opening for AC/DC etc.

Everyone has to be on the same page for the thing to work I think.

[speed_stone]

worst thing about them is scott weiland. next the music.

[dragan0T3]

Hmm... somehow I knew I was gonna get slammed about Sour Girl but whatever.  To me the Scott's chorus melody of that song is very similar to the vocal melody of the 2nd verse in YGNR.  If you don't think so that's fine, but when I'm listening to it I'm simply reminded of Sour Girl.   The rhythm and tempo, and that clean guitar sound are also similar, but enough... They are both good songs!

And it's true - there's nothing "dangerous" about this album or group, and while they will have some success, I highly doubt that GN'R-type rock (solos and all) will be mainstream again this or next year.

I just hope they don't release Fall to Pieces as the 2nd single - it would put them right back into the 80's in the eyes of the media (due mainly to the cheesy lyrics).  YGNR or LtA(S) are, and would do, much better, if in fact they want a ballad for the next single.

[Dizzy]

1st slash claims that It is the best record he made. Thats obviously Bullshit cause in this album he is playing less solos and lead guitar than his previous records.

So what?  Every musician enters the studio with the intent of making the best record they can possibly make, and Slash has made something he's really proud of.  Just because you don't like it doesn't mean Slash is insincere when he says it's his best effort.

2nd Slash claims that He cannot compare Vr to anything. I mean this is Bullshit again.

How Can he Even try to compare VR with GNR which was his whole life and artistic career  and made him Who he Is

Okay you just contradicted yourself.  On one hand, you say it's bullshit that Slash can't compare VR to anything, then you turn around and say that there's no way he could compare it to GNR.  So which is it, Mr. Wishy Washy?

3rd espacially Matt claims that Scott is the Best frontman and i think Duff and slash agreed on that. I mean Axl Is far superior to Scott.

Being a great frontman isn't just about being a great singer.  Scott is obviously a better frontman to work with, and that is important for a band.  

4rth and most important. They all Fucking claim That They are Here to bring Back Rock And Roll. In all the concerts Scott claims that they are the real rock And Roll. That is Bulshitt. You Cannot claim Things Like that.

Why the hell not?  He listens to the same music the fans will hear.  Is he not entitled to his opinion of their music?  Is he not entitled to be confident about the effect he wants their music to have?  They are the most real Rock n Roll music I've heard in years.

Basically all your statements questioning their sincerity are based on your opinions of GNR music, which is irrelevant in relation to VR.

[Booker Floyd]

3rd espacially Matt claims that Scott is the Best frontman and i think Duff and slash agreed on that. I mean Axl Is far superior to Scott.

They said that right now Weiland is the best frontman out there.  I agree.  You dont - thats your opinion.  

[Jizzo]

They like working with Scott. If you saw them at the smashbox or even the slither shoot you could see the chemistry between them.

[St.heathen]

I love Axl but these guys are probably glad they have found someone with talent and who wants to work at the same pace as they do.  

And to even comment on the dangerous band thing - fuck man, you have obviously only got into GNR in the last 5 minutes, otherwise you would know they have done more than their fair share of excess!  A bottle of Jack a day(and god knows what else)  is brutal.

They physically cannot live like that anymore, they have responsibilities to their families now.  Does that take away  from their ability to make great rock n roll? Of course not they may be older now, but they sound fresh and energised.  To set up a band and get an album out within a year  - not many do that.

It would be superb to see Axl work at that pace.  Too much time has gone already.

From day 1 of "The Project" i wanted them to get either: Scott Weiland or Mike Patton.  So it was superb to see it come to life.  They look, sound and feel exciting.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

The main reason they got scott is to sell albums.
They know with scott it would appeal to a lot more people than if they would have gotten Bach. If they got Bach then they would have been looked upon as a hair metal retred band and modern rock stations would not touch them.
So event though Bach is a much better singer and songer writer, scott equals more album sales thus they picked him instead. Here is the simpliest way of looking at it.
What album would sell more, one that sounds like stp or one that sounds like skid row?