The Worst Thing about VR

[GNROSAS]

I am a big Gnr + Slash fan and i had high expectations from Contaband as it was made by 3 persons who made UYIs.

For me it is just a good album but it is not great and it doesn't come close to AFD and UYIs.

The main thing that i really dislike about VR is not scot weiland, is not the shitty production,  is not the few buried slash solos nor the
lyrics.

The Worst thing that pisses me off is the Comments of VR and especially Slash,Duff,Matt.

1st slash claims that It is the best record he made. Thats obviously Bullshit cause in this album he is playing less solos and lead guitar than his previous records. His solos are not as emotional and imaginative as in the Past (except YGNR + FTP). Also I cannot find riffs in the album that really stick in your mind except maybe superhuman + slither.

2nd Slash claims that He cannot compare Vr to anything. I mean this is Bullshit again. How can he feel that Vr are so great for him and they only have one album that is not released and they are together for very little time. Even Scott was in the rehab for the most Part. How Can he Even try to compare VR with GNR which was his whole life and artistic career  and made him Who he Is

3rd espacially Matt claims that Scott is the Best frontman and i think Duff and slash agreed on that. I mean Axl Is far superior to Scott.
1st scott is influenced a lot in his attitude by axl. then Axl has more trademark Voice than scot and His Lyrics are Far better. Just Listen At the monsters Axl has composed.

4rth and most important. They all Fucking claim That They are Here to bring Back Rock And Roll. In all the concerts Scott claims that they are the real rock And Roll. That is Bulshitt. You Cannot claim Things Like that. Things Like That are Recognised By the Audience And People. They are the Real test and History proves how significant each Band Was. When you make stements like that even before releasing the album the Biggest Chances are that you will look like Fool afterwards. How Can This Been The Return Of Rock and Roll when Your Frontman is A Clear Alternative Frontman. Second When you choose as a producer Someone who produces albums that are not even close to Rock and Roll. 3rd How Can they save rock and Roll when  they are doing  everything the music indistry implies and they do exactly the same thing every band does to release an album and Tour nowadays.

To me Slash, duff, Matt are not as true as they claim anymore and they are trying to be succesfull by not really following their Hearts.
They Could have Pick another singer rather than scott. They choose him cause he was succesfull so they could hit the big maney for sure.

My predictions are that we won't see another VR Album.

[badgirl]

I really wasn't going to answer this thread because there are so fucking many of them and hardly any say anything original or intelligent, but you do make some good points.
I pretty much agree with everything you said (especially Scott not being as great as Axl-- even though i think Scott rocks and am glad he is the one fronting this band) and this is why none of it bothers me: it's good enough. it's going to be better than anything else out there. And on your point about them being too pushy about how badass they are, how they are going to bring rock and roll back: yeah, i totally see what you are saying, but you know what? those guys are more badass than these little boy rock bands (and i am not talking about boy bands, i am talking about all the music out today) and they have cred to spare, so when they are posturing a bit and talking shit a bit, i remember how much more hardcore these guys are and it's okay.
 

[Jizzo]

I am a big Gnr + Slash fan and i had high expectations from Contaband as it was made by 3 persons who made UYIs.

For me it is just a good album but it is not great and it doesn't come close to AFD and UYIs.

The main thing that i really dislike about VR is not scot weiland, is not the shitty production,  is not the few buried slash solos nor the
lyrics.

The Worst thing that pisses me off is the Comments of VR and especially Slash,Duff,Matt.

1st slash claims that It is the best record he made. Thats obviously Bullshit cause in this album he is playing less solos and lead guitar than his previous records. His solos are not as emotional and imaginative as in the Past (except YGNR + FTP). Also I cannot find riffs in the album that really stick in your mind except maybe superhuman + slither.

2nd Slash claims that He cannot compare Vr to anything. I mean this is Bullshit again. How can he feel that Vr are so great for him and they only have one album that is not released and they are together for very little time. Even Scott was in the rehab for the most Part. How Can he Even try to compare VR with GNR which was his whole life and artistic career  and made him Who he Is

3rd espacially Matt claims that Scott is the Best frontman and i think Duff and slash agreed on that. I mean Axl Is far superior to Scott.
1st scott is influenced a lot in his attitude by axl. then Axl has more trademark Voice than scot and His Lyrics are Far better. Just Listen At the monsters Axl has composed.

4rth and most important. They all Fucking claim That They are Here to bring Back Rock And Roll. In all the concerts Scott claims that they are the real rock And Roll. That is Bulshitt. You Cannot claim Things Like that. Things Like That are Recognised By the Audience And People. They are the Real test and History proves how significant each Band Was. When you make stements like that even before releasing the album the Biggest Chances are that you will look like Fool afterwards. How Can This Been The Return Of Rock and Roll when Your Frontman is A Clear Alternative Frontman. Second When you choose as a producer Someone who produces albums that are not even close to Rock and Roll. 3rd How Can they save rock and Roll when  they are doing  everything the music indistry implies and they do exactly the same thing every band does to release an album and Tour nowadays.

To me Slash, duff, Matt are not as true as they claim anymore and they are trying to be succesfull by not really following their Hearts.
They Could have Pick another singer rather than scott. They choose him cause he was succesfull so they could hit the big maney for sure.

My predictions are that we won't see another VR Album.

Time to rip everything you said apart.

1. It really pisses me off when people say there won't be another VR record. They signed a 3 record deal.
2. Maybe Slash feels different about this work than any of his work before
3. He can't compare it to anything in the sence that he doesn't think it sounds like anything else.
4. Not another Axl vs Scott debate. Slash, Duff and Matt chose Scott. They chose who they wanted. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks they should do, they are grown men who can make there own choices.
5. I don't knowwhat album you listened to, but this is rock n roll. Alternative is a relative term. If they didn't have scott you wouldn't be using that term.

[jarmo]

Why do you think they chose Scott? I think GNROSAS has a point, they knew they might go places that they couldn't if they had somebody else singing for them.

Is anybody ready to admit the possibility that it might be the case or will it just be "no, they chose him just because of his talents, you're just a jealous Axl fan!"?



/jarmo

[Doc Emmett Brown]

Is anybody ready to admit the possibility that it might be the case or will it just be "no, they chose him just because of his talents, you're just a jealous Axl fan!"?

 

We've already admitted this possibility several times in different threads.

We even discussed how Weiland is the key to KROQ and other modern rock outlets.  And I believe we did it without bashing Axl.

It is entirely possible to be a VR fan and support them, but also discuss things like this.  

[Imfuckincrazy]

1st slash claims that It is the best record he made.

Of course he is going to say that, as every artist is going to say their latest is their greatest. Maybe he feels different about this than any of his other work, because they worked together to complete this, and are proud of it. It wasn't that easy with Guns N' Roses. What do you expect him to say? That it's a fucking piece of shit of a record? Of course he is going to say it's his greatest.

2nd Slash claims that He cannot compare Vr to anything. I mean this is Bullshit again.

Who are you to say that what he says is bullshit? So you're saying that he is lying, yet you don't know how he feels. You didn't experience the making of the band or album for him, so don't try to tear everything he says apart and try to prove it wrong. Leave him alone, because you obviously don't know what you're talking about. Is he not allowed to be proud of his new band? He was talking the process of touring and shit, and about the relationships between them. Not the music itself.

3rd espacially Matt claims that Scott is the Best frontman and i think Duff and slash agreed on that.

Again, most likely because they're working together and have less problems and complications. They don't have to deal with Axl's ego anymore. I don't think they enjoyed kissing his ass all that time, while they claim to enjoy being in this band with Scott. They didn't say that he is a better singer or songwriter than Axl, they don't deny Axl's talent at all and even defend him (at least publicly). When they said that they were most likely referring to the relationship between them.

4rth and most important. They all Fucking claim That They are Here to bring Back Rock And Roll. In all the concerts Scott claims that they are the real rock And Roll. That is Bulshitt. You Cannot claim Things Like that.

What is it if it's not rock and roll? I believe they have brought back rock music, as it is more rock and roll than I have seen on MTV in all my life. Well, as far as I can remember. I see them doing just that, what they are intending to do. You can't claim things like that? They can claim whatever they want, because they are a "dangerous" band, you see. (The only thing I find ridiculous are the "we are a dangerous band" statements from Duff.)

They choose him cause he was succesfull so they could hit the big maney for sure.

How do you know? Did they tell you so? That could be true, or not. I don't know their reasons for choosing Scott, and neither do you so you can't say that as a fact. They say they wanted him in the band before STP even broke up because he was friends with the members already. And as Jizzo said, and I was going to say, they chose who they wanted - who cares why? They're happy with their choice, and they are doing well. That's all that matters - not anything that you have to say.  

My predictions are that we won't see another VR Album.

Since it is you that holds the crystal ball, can you tell me a few other like, when is Chinese Democracy going to be released? I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like to know. And while you're at it, there are other things I'd like to clear up... but nevermind. They have a three album deal. Also, you said this is just another Snakepit, right, well even they released two albums. I honestly think we'll see something else from them because by what they say, they seem to have their hearts set on this band, regardless of what you may think, because you don't know.

So, my point is, you have no clue, so you aren't one to say anything, especially calling them liars. So it's your post that's "bullshit."

[Captain Obvious]

Ya, I hate it when musicians say things like that and act like prostitutes. They everything that is over the top about their current work...sell themselves using bold words. The more I hear from those 3...the more credibility they lose.

Best album he's done? Is there anyone who actually thinks this is the truth? Slash must of practiced that one a couple of time in front of the mirror to make sure he keeps a straight face.

Of course he is going to say that, as every artist is going to say their latest is their greatest. Maybe he feels different about this than any of his other work, because they worked together to complete this, and are proud of it. It wasn't that easy with Guns N' Roses. What do you expect him to say? That it's a fucking piece of shit of a record? Of course he is going to say it's his greatest.

Not every artist...some people are honest. Besides, he can say its a good CD...he doesnt need to flat out lie and make a point of saying its the best because, we all know this is not true...just a careless statement to make people excited about Contraband.  

[Surge]

1st slash claims that It is the best record he made.

Of course he is going to say that, as every artist is going to say their latest is their greatest. Maybe he feels different about this than any of his other work, because they worked together to complete this, and are proud of it. It wasn't that easy with Guns N' Roses. What do you expect him to say? That it's a fucking piece of shit of a record? Of course he is going to say it's his greatest.

You have a point there. Most artists will say it's their best work (they probably feel like that - as Slash stated after UYI that people who thought AFD is better are dumb - or something close to that). But deep inside he might know it's not wrong. Anyway, there's no reason for people here to start debating what Slash is and what he isn't thinking. What I think GNROSAS was saying was that what Slash say isn't true. And everyone here will (well, maybe one or two wont) agree that Contraband isn't the best album Slash has participated in making.

2nd Slash claims that He cannot compare Vr to anything. I mean this is Bullshit again.

Who are you to say that what he says is bullshit? So you're saying that he is lying, yet you don't know how he feels. You didn't experience the making of the band or album for him, so don't try to tear everything he says apart and try to prove it wrong. Leave him alone, because you obviously don't know what you're talking about. Is he not allowed to be proud of his new band? He was talking the process of touring and shit, and about the relationships between them. Not the music itself.

Again, Slash claim he can't and it's pretty fair to say that what Slash say there is wrong - as long as he compares it in quality. Socially it might be true. But why do Slash need to state these things? Is he just doing it to tell Axl that "I'm better now, I didn't like working with you". When people say those things, I rather think they mean the opposite.

4rth and most important. They all Fucking claim That They are Here to bring Back Rock And Roll. In all the concerts Scott claims that they are the real rock And Roll. That is Bulshitt. You Cannot claim Things Like that.

What is it if it's not rock and roll? I believe they have brought back rock music, as it is more rock and roll than I have seen on MTV in all my life. Well, as far as I can remember. I see them doing just that, what they are intending to do. You can't claim things like that? They can claim whatever they want, because they are a "dangerous" band, you see. (The only thing I find ridiculous are the "we are a dangerous band" statements from Duff.)

If they really were here to bring back rock they wouldn't have to state it. This band wont change things and if they do it's because very few rock bands comes up these days.

They choose him cause he was succesfull so they could hit the big maney for sure.

How do you know? Did they tell you so? That could be true, or not. I don't know their reasons for choosing Scott, and neither do you so you can't say that as a fact.

Again, this isn't stated as a fact, it's a claim. And it sure is a possibility. They probably have their reasons - but the documentary, TV commercials - these guys really wanna sell!

[starchild_666]

fuck all you loosers who have nothin better to do than talk shit about VR! Maybe Contraband is not greatest rock album off all times, but it's the best nowadays for sure...

[jarmo]

We've already admitted this possibility several times in different threads.

Yeah, sorry about that.

I was just expecting something like one of the replies that can be found further down this page.....

fuck all you loosers who have nothin better to do than talk shit about VR! Maybe Contraband is not greatest rock album off all times, but it's the best nowadays for sure...

Got anything to add to the discussion?




/jarmo

[Ignatius]

Worst thing about VR, well that's pretty obvious, they don't have Axl  

Seriously, I like the band. Excited to hear the album and all, but I didn't like the fact that they cancelled their European spring tour due to Scott's court case and rehab lock-down. Now if they come to Europe over the summer, they wil play festivals and I'm not too crazy about festivals. I rather see them in club.

I don't like the Velvet Revolver name either. Even "The Project "was much better.

I'm yet to be "touched" by VR music, I haven't heard any of their songs yet, with the exception of YGNR, Slither and Set me free...I'll comment on that next week. I liked YGNR when I fiest heard it, not too crazy about the other two though.







 

[blues_rock_axeman]

I am a big Gnr + Slash fan and i had high expectations from Contaband as it was made by 3 persons who made UYIs.

Aye, Slash, Duff and Matt helped make the UYI albums, but who did most of the songwriting?

Axl n' Izzy.  

[duga]

My opinion is that Axl and Slash wrote the BEST uyi-songs. Seems that Slash needs Mike Clink and/or Axl to get the best out of him. I still like Contraband, it's 4 out 5.

[GNROSAS]

Imfuckingcrazy i see your point and in no way i have a crystal Ball.
I cannot be really certain about what these people really feel and cannot say that I am 100% right. To me their actions lead me to believe what i wrote but definately i am not their mind. I was so critical about the situation because their actions and comments sound and look Hypocritical to me.

[younggunner]

The whole attitude thing doesn't work for me, it's embarrasing more than anything. They claim to be dangerous and go on how they wanna bring "real" rock back to the map and all, when in fact the music is anything but dangerous. It's not even very creative. Without the right music to back such statements up, they just made a HUGE mistake with that. Why not just let the music do the talking?

Ive been saying this since day 1 of VR

[Imfuckincrazy]

You have a point there. Most artists will say it's their best work (they probably feel like that - as Slash stated after UYI that people who thought AFD is better are dumb - or something close to that).

That would make about 95% of his fans dumb, but it's HIS OWN OPINION whether or not he thinks UYI is better (though I wonder if he would say that now...? Maybe)! You're right, Surge. Of course he is going to say this album is his best, because of course he's going to be proud of this band, and their latest album. Isn't he entitled to his own opinion, as a human being? Just because you don't agree with what he says - and I think most of us can agree that Contraband isn't his best, including myself - it doesn't mean that he's wrong, that he is lying and what he says is "bullshit." And as conny said - why should you buy it if it wasn't better than any previous stuff?

Anyway, there's no reason for people here to start debating what Slash is and what he isn't thinking. What I think GNROSAS was saying was that what Slash say isn't true.

Yeah. As I said, you don't have to agree with everything he says - you can hate the album for all I give a shit, but just because his opinion doesn't match yours, doesn't mean that he's a liar.

If they really were here to bring back rock they wouldn't have to state it. This band wont change things and if they do it's because very few rock bands comes up these days.

You're right... and I think that is why, because there are very few rock bands around. To me their music is more real than anything out there today. Are you saying that their music is no different than the other "rock" bands out there? I'm not saying that it's smart to make such claims though. I think they are just reassuring us that that's what they're here to do. But yeah, I suppose that's for the people to decide, because if they don't live up to that, and the "dangerous" claims, they are just going to end up looking like fools. I think they should earn that title by letting the music do the talking. I find some of their statements to be very... child like. Maybe that's because Axl did the talking for the band when they were in Guns N' Roses, so they really have no fucking clue now that they have their own band? Because they say a lot of childish things, and that's the only excuse I can come up with for it!

I don't like the Velvet Revolver name either.

I'm with you there. I've kind of gotten used to it, but that's sad they couldn't come up with a better name and had to rip it off of Guns N' Roses. It's too similar. Though, "The Project" is okay, I don't like it that much either. Sometimes I think it might be cool. But I definitely would have rather they named it that if for no other reason than the fact that Velvet Revolver is the same as Guns N' Roses. Another thing is "Velvet Revolver" doesn't exactly roll off the tongue - too many v's I guess.

[Acquiesce]

So you're not going to allow yourself to enjoy their music because you disagree with their comments?

[Mr Cowbell ?]

Why do you think they chose Scott? I think GNROSAS has a point, they knew they might go places that they couldn't if they had somebody else singing for them.

Is anybody ready to admit the possibility that it might be the case or will it just be "no, they chose him just because of his talents, you're just a jealous Axl fan!"?



/jarmo

Yeah I think their whole "search for a lead singer" was alot like Limp Biskit's "Search for a lead guitarist" They get alot of free plublicity from TV, RADIO and MAGAZINES hypining the band, when all along they have someone in mind. Listen to Slash or Duff, They knew the second they talked to Scott he was the man they wanted.

Why take a chance on a new singer and sell about as many records as a new snakepit album, when they can pick Weiland and be considered a supergroup. I love VR, but Scott was picked for a reason... TO SELL

[jabba2]

If you seen any STP videos or concerts, you could tell why VR decided to pick Scott to front the band. When they say there bringing back rock and roll.. im pretty sure they meant playing live concerts.   Just check out the stp multimedia page. Scott pretty much blows away other lead singers when live.

[Booker Floyd]

Why do you think they chose Scott? I think GNROSAS has a point, they knew they might go places that they couldn't if they had somebody else singing for them.

Is anybody ready to admit the possibility that it might be the case or will it just be "no, they chose him just because of his talents, you're just a jealous Axl fan!"?

Do you think its really that cut-and-dry?  Thats such a simple-minded assumption.

They chose Scott Weiland because he was the best guy for the job, on all fronts.  No question, his history and what he can bring to the band "business-wise" were taken into account.  But I believe what he brings musically was just as important a factor.