If CD is as bad as Contraband, I'll kill myself

[jarmo]

Drunk, if you don't have anything to say, don't even try.



/jarmo

[Izzy]

i havent heard a good solo from new gnr yet

The solo during the MLK quotes in Maddy?

OMG has more great guitar work than most rock groups manage in their entire careers.....

[Skeletor]

And which of the six Axl songs are inspired and memorable?  Certainly neither of the ballads.  Granted, they both sound really good (minus the stupid quotes in "Madagascar"), but they both cover the exact same territory of earlier Axl penned ballads.  Nothing original.

I find The Blues extremely inspired and memorable.. I don't get what you mean by "the exact same territory", of course Axl is talking about a relationship and love there - should no one do ballads about those subjects anymore? It's not just generic babble about a breakup either, he's specifically talking about being disillusioned, describing the moment when you realize that a lot the beauty you saw in a person was created by your own romantic mind. I don't think he's repeating himself in any way. Also, the song is musically quite different from previous GNR ballads.

[D]

sorry izzy i meant on a SCOM,NR,estranged kind of memorable way, i do sing along to the blues solo though
maddy i cant really make it out the versions ive heard, chinese democracy solo is shite!*to steal a word from u*lol

fall to pieces loving the aliens and you got no right sound like sketches of song, like the idea or story isnt developed its just rhyming lines but not much meaning i can relate to there

but with the blues, reading those lyrics on their own break your heart and make u relate them to a bad heartbreak u've went thru

axl captures the moment like very few songwriters can

when axl writes a song like maddy or the blues u chillbump u feel it, u relate and even cry to it,

with VR i havent gotten any kind of chillbumps and i havent been able to relate toany of it so far, although its good it dont hit me in the same spot maddy and the blues do

ive been listening to maddy and the blues since 2001 thats 3 years, i cant say ill be listening to any of these VR songs in 6 months to be honest

thats the difference in myopinion!

[Snakepit__]

Just shut your mouth "DRUNK"

If you don't like CONTRABAND, then keep it for yourself..

[Skeletor]

If you don't like CONTRABAND, then keep it for yourself..

If he doesn't like the cd, he probably won't want to keep it for himself.

I know, I'm about as funny as an enema.

[DRUNK]

Drunk, if you don't have anything to say, don't even try.



/jarmo

Is this about the Dizzy is an idiot comment?  If so, then it's justified.  He's not only said similar things to me before, but he says them often.  Take a look.

[Dizzy]

Is this about the Dizzy is an idiot comment?  If so, then it's justified.  He's not only said similar things to me before, but he says them often.  Take a look.

Yes Jarmo, by all means take a look.  And you won't find anything of the kind anywhere.  Never do I say "hey you're a fucking idiot" or anything such as that.  Instead, I use logic and reason, both of which DRUNK obviously finds offensive.

[mikegiuliana]

Drunk is just another person that probably is so into new gnr that if he even bothered to play contraband he was looking at his axl pic and was like "I'm shutting this off, this isn't anything like chinese d, axl's the best, I hate everything that isn't chinese d.."


It's amazing how much hate these supposed gnr fans of old have towards three ex members that gave you music in a shortperiod of time even with having to find a singer then later get through scott's drug problems.. I think it shows character n class, they are a tight group with chemistry, 5 guys rocking, complete with ballads n hard rockers, no overdone massive production, they keep it simple like rock should be..

I think their's a bit of jealousy out there as well, people angry because they got their act together and released and album in  short period of time and it's been excepted pretty well, having positive stuff said about it.. Just because axl's making people wait doesn't mean you should take it out on the guys giving you music, if you're pissed at anyone, get on axl's ass..He has the 13  tour dates that went down the tubes...

COntraband is a good all around album, and I'm enjoying it now, and will for years to come, but I hope axl's album is better because we've all waited a long time with extreme patience, shit I've been waiting since they handed me SI in 93

[justynius]

Not even close. Slash's work on "Fall to Pieces" is definitely something to appreciate, but the lyrics to it are horrible. It's just one cliche on top of another, with a shitty chorus mixed in. Axl would never stoop that low.

Noooo of course not.  Instead of stooping to that level, he ascended the highest possible plateau by placing his name on that pile of shit "Silkworms".  

I'm pretty sure before "Silkworms," Axl says something like "This is a song by Chris Pittman" (so no one confuses it as one of his own?) and in interviews they've all but confirmed it won't appear on the album. I don't know if "Silkworms" is necessarily a case of Axl "placing his name" on a shit song (and I agree, it most definitely is a shit song); rather it's Axl adding a shit song to a concert setlist for the shits and giggles of someone involved with the band. At worst, it's a "So Fine"-ish throwaway track that, again, is just there to appease someone involved with the band and everyone knows it.

As far as VR/Contraband are concerned, I think "Fall to Pieces" is a pretty accurate reflection of what the band does and does not have. Slash's guitars are tight, but the complete lack of any songwriting talent ruins the song. Weiland is a talented singer, probably with a better sounding voice than Axl. However, he doesn't have Axl's range and sounds pretty ridiculous on certain tracks, whereas Axl does a good job on both ballads and rockers. If Weiland hangs around, I think they should stick to songs complimented by his voice instead of trying to push him to areas he's certainly going to fail to pull off. He seems to be best just laying down a note and letting it carry, and rather monotonous trying to do anything else.

The two main criticisms of Stone Temple Pilots were than their songs sound mostly the same and the lyrics are too simplistic for the songs to have any artistic merit. From what we have with Contraband, it's beginning to appear like these criticisms were specifically of Weiland's limitations as singer/songwriter and will follow wherever he goes. I think VR will be most successful accepting these limitations and playing off them, with "Fall to Pieces" as a good example of what will happen if they don't.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Silkworms is a good song and the lyrics are very brash.
I love the beat and synth in the song. I think the studio version would kick ass.
And what interview said it wont be on the album?  Fortus even said he got a certain kind of guitar to play silkworms live.

[Butch Français]

Silkworms is a good song and the lyrics are very brash.
I love the beat and synth in the song. I think the studio version would kick ass.
And what interview said it wont be on the album?  Fortus even said he got a certain kind of guitar to play silkworms live.

dave, whats going on? you really think silkworms is good? I don't...... the lyrics is shit, the song itself is shit.......god I really hope Axl said what the argentinian dude said he did, that he doesn't like silkworms, cos it's the biggest piece of crap ever composed by a great songwriter....if you don't count My World that is...

Edited to say: So Fortus will play a baritone guitar, whoooh, big deal, you're probably not gonna notice any difference if he does or not, unless you're a musician of course, which I can't imagine you are...

[D]

i think rhiad sucks simply cause the version of it is so unaudible u cant make out whats goin on, same with silkworms, a proper studio version could be quite good

silkworms by the way was written by dizzy and chris

so they are to blame if u dont like it, not axl

[Butch Français]

i think rhiad sucks simply cause the version of it is so unaudible u cant make out whats goin on, same with silkworms, a proper studio version could be quite good

silkworms by the way was written by dizzy and chris

so they are to blame if u dont like it, not axl

of course, Axl is to blame that they ever got to play it in the first place....I know it was written by Dizzy and Chris, but Axl should have put a stop to the whole thing, which he didn't. and that might lead us to think that all kinda weird music is accepted on the album he says he's got in store for us.

I will be happy if the story of the argentinian dude is true, mostly because he said he didn't like Silkworms.

Edit: I just wanted to say that Rhiad will most likely be a kick ass song, studio recorded, and I don't think we got the real feel of the song from when it was performed live, which was probably why Axl skipped it on the US tour 2002, cos it wasn't up to par yet.

[Dizzy]

silkworms by the way was written by dizzy and chris, so they are to blame if u dont like it, not axl

Yes I know they wrote it, but Axl and co. performed it under the Guns N Roses name in concert.  So he is to blame as well.

Same way you can't fault only Axl for "My World".  It may be his "moment", but the entire band consented its release on the record.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Silkworms is a good song and the lyrics are very brash.
I love the beat and synth in the song. I think the studio version would kick ass.
And what interview said it wont be on the album?  Fortus even said he got a certain kind of guitar to play silkworms live.

dave, whats going on? you really think silkworms is good? I don't...... the lyrics is shit, the song itself is shit.......god I really hope Axl said what the argentinian dude said he did, that he doesn't like silkworms, cos it's the biggest piece of crap ever composed by a great songwriter....if you don't count My World that is...

Edited to say: So Fortus will play a baritone guitar, whoooh, big deal, you're probably not gonna notice any difference if he does or not, unless you're a musician of course, which I can't imagine you are...

Yes I like the song, I think its good.  The lyrics are not shit, if you think they are shit then i guess you think double talkin jives lyrics are shit too right?

You are not seeing my point about the baritone guitar, he said he got one to play silkworms live, so why would they play a song live that wont be on the album?

[Butch Français]

Silkworms is a good song and the lyrics are very brash.
I love the beat and synth in the song. I think the studio version would kick ass.
And what interview said it wont be on the album?  Fortus even said he got a certain kind of guitar to play silkworms live.

dave, whats going on? you really think silkworms is good? I don't...... the lyrics is shit, the song itself is shit.......god I really hope Axl said what the argentinian dude said he did, that he doesn't like silkworms, cos it's the biggest piece of crap ever composed by a great songwriter....if you don't count My World that is...

Edited to say: So Fortus will play a baritone guitar, whoooh, big deal, you're probably not gonna notice any difference if he does or not, unless you're a musician of course, which I can't imagine you are...

Yes I like the song, I think its good.  The lyrics are not shit, if you think they are shit then i guess you think double talkin jives lyrics are shit too right?

You are not seeing my point about the baritone guitar, he said he got one to play silkworms live, so why would they play a song live that wont be on the album?

yeah I know dave, but I find it hard to believe that Silkworms will be good enough to make it to CDs playlist, I'll be surprised if it does. Maybe a B-side on one of the singles, but not more than that!

ok then, the lyrics might not be as bad as I made the impression of them being in the last post, but Double Talkin' Jive was way better, and it was written by Izzy wasn't it? that means other meaning and other intentions with the words (of course) .

[dave-gnfnr2k]

OH DTJ is better?  If you think silkworms lyrics are bad then DTJs are just as bad. Or take get in the ring, those are not very good either but they made the album.

Double Talking Jive

Found a head and an arm in da garbage can
Don't know why I'm here
Livin' on the run for oh so long
I gotta go collect
Double talkin' jive
Get the money motherfucker
'Cause I got no more patience
Double talkin'
-I got (lies)-
No more patience man

Back in town an'a all new friends
They sayin' how ya been?
Fucked up and outta place
That's how I felt back then
Double talkin' jive
Get the money motherfucker
'Cause I got no more patience
Double talkin'
-I got (lies)-
No more patience man
You dig what I'm sayin'?!


Silk Worms (hob)

Listen motherfuckers to this song that should be heard
Back down in the gutter, it?s more than you deserve
Screaming fucking banshie, you know that's what you are
Pussy full of maggots, isn't that a shock

What can I do?
With a bitch like you
You know that it?s true
All I have
I ask you
I'll be dammed
with a bitch like you

you're a dreamer with your head out in the stars
Fucking little schemer got yourself a broken heart
Syphilitic preachers baby I know who you are
Parasitic demons sucking acid through your heart

What can I do?
With a bitch like you
You know that it?s true
All I have
I ask you
I'll be dammed
with a bitch like you

[Butch Français]

OH DTJ is better?  If you think silkworms lyrics are bad then DTJs are just as bad.

no they are not, not to me. plus, the DTJ lyrics flows sooo much better with the song than Silkworms does.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

How do the lyrics not flow for silkworms?