Image of the new G'n'R

[AxlGunner]

My point is that by your phrasing, you are encouraging people to make erroneous conclusions.

Your logic went: if you dissapprove of, or don't like, axl, then you probably (but not necesarily) are a slash fan.

This argument can easily (and is often on this board) misinterpretted by people as its reverse: if you are a slash fan, you are one of those people who don't like axl.

Like I said, this is a pretty dumb way to interpret things, but there are many arguments on this board in which people use such incorrect logic.

It is this misconception that results in the angry, and often mean spirited, debates such as the one in this thread in which if anyone dares speak up against either axl or slash, they are immediately attacked by the other side's supporters, who ignorantly refuse to argue the merits of the argument rather than the biases of those who make the argument.

My other problem with your statement that "It's pretty safe to say that among GN'R fans, out of the ones who hate BH and dislike Axl, many of them are Slash fans," is that you are implying that since there is a correlation between axl-haters and slash-fans, then that means that the reason they dislike axl is BECAUSE they are slash fans. This is obviously not true- Axl provides many reasons on his own why you can dislike him other than being bitter that he forced your "hero" out of a band that he was better off not being in anyway because its leader was going off the deep end. It is like saying, "Of the people who are from India, many of them have black hair. Therefore, the reason they are from India is because they have black hair."

This logic often manifests itself on this board when people start arguing "You just don't like the way axl looks because you love slash". This obviously is very debilitating to the discussion, and ruins entire sections of this board, and something should be done to discourage it and not try to instigate even more conflicts.

[kujo722]

I don't understand the hating thing at all. It's a musician you're talking about, not a terrorist or an evil dictator who killed a bunch of people.



/jarmo

Must we bring George Bush and Dick Cheney into every topic?


joking

[jarmo]

My point is that by your phrasing, you are encouraging people to make erroneous conclusions.

I'm not encouraging anything. I just explained how I experience the whole "GN'R fan community". There's a divider because some fans automatically hate the other "side".

You don't agree with me, fine. I'm not gonna argue, it's my opinion and you have yours.

But I think the majority (or at least I hope so) are in the middle and don't give a fuck about chosing sides.



/jarmo

[Imfuckincrazy]

OK, so you hate BH, you have a Slash avatar and a personal text which says "Slash is God", I'm sorry if I assumed you were a Slash fan. I guess you fooled me there.

I AM a Slash fan!!!! I never denied it, and wouldn't!!!!! It's the same thing that you said about being labeled an Axl fan. People automatically assume that if someone says anything against Axl, in any way, they are labeled a Slash fan - and when I say "Slash fan" I mean they are accused of "their love for Slash clouding their judgements."

Of course, people can see that I'm a Slash fan, like you said by my avatar and personal text, but they assume that it's because I am a Slash fan that I say anything negative about Axl or Buckethead, as if my opinions do not matter, and that they are biased, just because I am a Slash fan. It's the same thing that you said about people labeling you an Axl fan just because you said you thought Duff said some ridiculous things.

And by the way, hating BH has nothing to do with me being a Slash fan. There are many - notice, I didn't say all - Slash fans who also say that Buckethead is a good guitarist, even if they do prefer Slash over him.

Please point out the facts that you have that proves there are no fans who hate Axl that are big fans of Slash.

I never said that there weren't. I said the majority of Slash fans also like Axl. So, "It would be nice if you read what I said. I said 'most,' meaning a bunch. 'Most' does not equal everybody or all." And when I say "like Axl," I mean that even if they don't agree with everything he says and does, or worship him and think everything he does is perfect, they are still looking forward to Chinese Democracy when it comes out.

If you feel like I singled you out by saying "many" fans, that's your problem. Maybe you need to change your avatar and personal text?  

No, I do not feel that you singled me out, and no I won't change my avatar and personal text. I was only saying that I'm sick of people saying that because someone says something negative about the new GNR, that they must be Slash fans. I didn't even mean me as much when I said that - I was talking about people shitting on the original poster (welcome to the site by the way! ) just because he said he didn't like the new GNR image and NOTHING about SLASH! I'm just sick of people assuming things about other people and putting labels on them.

And you're trying to justify it, by saying, "It's pretty safe to say that among GN'R fans, out of the ones who hate BH and dislike Axl, many of them are Slash fans." It's also pretty safe to say that the ones who hate VR, bash Scott Weiland and Slash, and defend Axl's every word, are Axl fans. But then again, it's okay for them to do that, right? Because they're Axl fans, and Axl is perfect.

[volcano62]

I'd like to get back onto topic about images. What about Lyle Lovitts?
He did marry Julia Roberts and he is a country star!

[jarmo]

It's also pretty safe to say that the ones who hate VR, bash Scott Weiland and Slash, and defend Axl's every word, are Axl fans. But then again, it's okay for them to do that, right? Because they're Axl fans, and Axl is perfect.

Yeah, some Axl fans hate VR and Scott while others just prefer people like Sebastian Back to Scott.

If I critize Scott, it's because I've never been a fan (I prefer the other singers from that era). Nothing to do with Slash.  


Regarding the original topic. Maybe their image is to not have an image.



/jarmo

[Imfuckincrazy]

I'd like to get back onto topic about images. What about Lyle Lovitts?
He did marry Julia Roberts and he is a country star!

Um, the original topic being discussed was Guns N' Roses and their current image. Not anything about Lyle Lovitts or hairy Julia Roberts.