Slash defuses 'fuck Axl' chant + Chicago Review

[jarmo]

Ok fair enough if you think everyone is the same, but why do you constantly point these sort of things out to one side and not the other? It seems petty.

Because we have Booker for that.  

I'm balancing things out by telling "Yes Booker, you have that kinds of fans on "your" side too".

 


/jarmo

[younggunner]

vr is the best badn in the last 6-7 yrs
 
Oh so you become a great and relevant band by just showing up nowadays? I always thought you had to release an album or 2 first. Then if those album/s contain great material you then become a great band....but i never new you are a great band by just showing up...must have been away for awhile silly me.....
 
 

Quote from: younggunner on May 21, 2004, 09:36:39 pm
new gnr to me is the greatest band in the world
 

Yes to me they are. But im not dumb enough to say that is current lineup is better than what some other bands have done over the past x amount of years. Do I think they ar ethe best of course. But i have been saying this from day 1...they still have to prove it with their album...so  

Axl did arrive late at old shows, but no tour was ever cancelled during the original lineup's heyday.

And your assuming the past tour was cancelled because axl was an asshole???

Yeah yeah yeah, Axl said Slash is a great guitarist.  I realize that.  Axl also said this.....  The guy [Slash] is a fucking dick.....they're the bad cops and I'm Serpico and they can suck my dick!

Thats his personal feelings towards teh guy. Who are you to say he cant feel or say that. and if someone says that how is that not being classy. This is rnr. Why is everyone so wrapped up about how axl feels about slash and slash feels about axl. If one were to critisize the others talents and contributions then thats a different story.

If it makes you feel all happy inside go for it. whatver. all i know is that axl is a much nicer guy then many make him out to be.

I guarantee you will never hear Slash making those sort of comments towards Axl.

Why?

Because he has matt sorum doing it for him  

[Doc Emmett Brown]

No, it's an observation about how some people think they're better than everybody else and are quick to point their fingers at others. When in fact everybody's the same.

deja vu all over again...

You said this before when we argued about Slash & ProTools - remember?  

Why is it so important to you that everyone feels the same, Jarmo?   Even I wasnt being an elitist (which I can be), I can still judge people's posts based on their intelligence and so-called objectivity of the content.  

So do you intend to keep taking potshots at VR until you establish some kind of Communist utopia at HTGTH?   It wont happen...

[Doc Emmett Brown]

vr is the best badn in the last 6-7 yrs
 
Oh so you become a great and relevant band by just showing up nowadays? I always thought you had to release an album or 2 first. Then if those album/s contain great material you then become a great band....but i never new you are a great band by just showing up...must have been away for awhile silly me.....
 
 

Quote from: younggunner on May 21, 2004, 09:36:39 pm
new gnr to me is the greatest band in the world
 

Yes to me they are. But im not dumb enough to say that is current lineup is better than what some other bands have done over the past x amount of years. Do I think they ar ethe best of course.

You're not making sense, Keeper Of The 3-album Faith.   Rebecca stated her opinion of VR, and you stated yours about nuGNR.  You think nuGNR are "the best", and then you say you are not dumb enough to state that they are better than other bands? What do you think best means?    

I suspect you will haunt this side of the board for a while.  Because now that Buckethead is gone (which gave you a momentary "deflation"), and Tommy is off touring with the Figgs, Dizzy doing some solo work, and Robin hasnt changed his look again, you'll hang out here where the action is?  Too bad, it used to be my refuge.

[jarmo]

Why is it so important to you that everyone feels the same, Jarmo?  

What are you talking about?

I don't care if everybody feels the same or not. I'm saying, I find it funny how some people think they're better than others. That goes for everything from fans of a certain band to whole countries who think they're so much better than the rest of the world.....



/jarmo

[Doc Emmett Brown]

I'm saying, I find it funny how some people think they're better than others.

Fine.  But why is it that you have to make mean spirited remarks about the VR guys to get your point across?   It's like you're trying to humiliate people for being VR fans because a few posters make fun of people for being nuGNR fans?

[younggunner]

Keeper Of The 3-album Faith

Its not faith its fact. Faith would be believing we will see those 3 albums. That you can say.

You think nuGNR are "the best", and then you say you are not dumb enough to state that they are better than other bands? What do you think best means?

The poster made a claim that vr is the best band. That fine if they think that but they first have to release material and succeede and climb the chain so to speak. You cant just be the best by showing up.

I suspect you will haunt this side of the board for a while.  Because now that Buckethead is gone (which gave you a momentary "deflation"), and Tommy is off touring with the Figgs, Dizzy doing some solo work, and Robin hasnt changed his look again, you'll hang out here where the action is?

Yes, indeed i will. Im also a fan of vr. Im still pissed about bucket leaving. But what ya gonna do. Im pretty sure axl will keep his stuff on the album so im not worried about that. As for the other members. They are just doin their thing till its time.

Too bad, it used to be my refuge.

Now you know how I and other gnr fans feel when people sabatoge the band with hate and all the other bullshit on the gnr board. Things come full circle its funny....

Im not saying you couldnt go to a gnr board if you dont love the new band but some people just go there to bash,bash.bash,give various types of journalism lessons and other bullshit. After a few years its gets really depressing actually. but youll get used to it.

[Booker Floyd]

The poster made a claim that vr is the best band. That fine if they think that but they first have to release material and succeede and climb the chain so to speak. You cant just be the best by showing up.

How is that claim any different from yours about "new GNR being the greatest band in the world"?

 

[jarmo]

I'm saying, I find it funny how some people think they're better than others.

Fine.  But why is it that you have to make mean spirited remarks about the VR guys to get your point across?   It's like you're trying to humiliate people for being VR fans because a few posters make fun of people for being nuGNR fans?

What "mean spirited remarks"?

That I think it's funny they use the same intro from the UYI tour? That I think it's kinda funny they describe themselves as "dangerous"?

I don't buy everything VR tells me. It's a big marketing plan to me. To you it might be a rock band playing just for fun, to me it's RCA trying to sell records.

There's nothing "dangerous" about playing by the book if you ask me. VR are doing everything you should to sell records. That's ok, many bands do that.

I consider Pearl Jam to be more "dangerous" than VR.  

If you take these comments personally, then it's not my problem. I didn't single out you or anybody else. I said these people exist whether you like it or not. Some of you attack Dave because he's like that according to some VR fans.



/jarmo

[Doc Emmett Brown]

Im not saying you couldnt go to a gnr board if you dont love the new band but some people just go there to bash,bash.bash

you know, I used to do that...but then I stopped (dont know if you noticed).  But have you ever wondered why they do it?  Sure, there are some people who do nothing but bash, bitch, and complain.   But a lot of people are simply disillusioned - cant you understand that?    They bitch because they hate watching their favorite band continue to do nothing.  EVEN YOU succumbed to momentary despair when BH left.

I dont mind if people dislike VR's music - everyone can be a music critic, but when it comes to Axl & Slash, things always get nasty.  IMO, Jarmo picks on Slash a lot to counteract all the negative remarks about Axl, but two wrongs dont make a right.

[Booker Floyd]

There's nothing "dangerous" about playing by the book if you ask me. VR are doing everything you should to sell records. That's ok, many bands do that.

Hmm...So following that logic (and assuming the bands definition of "dangerous" matches yours - which Im sure it doesnt), Guns N' Roses were never "dangerous"?  After all, they did interviews with magazines and television, promo appearences, music videos, etc.

I think the whole "dangerous" angle is stupid as well...but I think youre interpretation is a little off, to say the least.  I also think your idea of what is dangerous is bizarre as well...not making videos or doing press is "dangerous"?  To me its kind of self-spiteful, but Im all for artists doing what they want to do.  And if an artist actually wants a lot of people to hear their record, and pushes it through promotion, then its all the same to me.

[Doc Emmett Brown]

I don't buy everything VR tells me. It's a big marketing plan to me. To you it might be a rock band playing just for fun, to me it's RCA trying to sell records.

There's nothing "dangerous" about playing by the book if you ask me. VR are doing everything you should to sell records. That's ok, many bands do that.

I know you dont buy the marketing crap.  Neither do I, and I'm willing to bet almost nobody actually believes VR is a "dangerous" band.   It's just they we're trying to be positive!  Werent you the one that said we should try to be positive?  

If you ask me, the true die-hard VR fans are not on HTGTH.  Here, we are cautiously positive.  We're waiting to see how this all turns out.   We're trying to let go of the past, and then someone makes a silly thread comparing Axl to a bootleg -  of course people will get angry!  Dont you agree?  

[jarmo]

IMO, Jarmo picks on Slash a lot to counteract all the negative remarks about Axl, but two wrongs dont make a right.

Exactly!  

Don't forget I also pick on Matt Sorum to counteract everything bad said about Brain!

 


I don't know if you're interested in hearing the truth since you've obviously made up your mind about what I do and why, but for those of you who might be interested, here it is: I comment on things I find "interesting" and/or "funny". I don't find Axl's hair interesting, I don't care about how Duff looks.....



/jarmo

[younggunner]

How is that claim any different from yours about "new GNR being the greatest band in the world"?

Because the psoter said vr is the best band of the past 6 yrs. That is a riduculous statement. And would be a ridiculous statement if someone said the same about gnr.

But have you ever wondered why they do it?  Sure, there are some people who do nothing but bash, bitch, and complain.  But a lot of people are simply disillusioned - cant you understand that?

Yes, i ahve realized that many peopel on these boards, axl fans/hater slash fans/haters etc are truly misinformed and very dellusional. I def. agree with you on that.

They bitch because they hate watching their favorite band continue to do nothing.

I cant argue you on that. its the truth. But my main point since ive been posting here is trying to tell people that yea gnr is at times a joke, but what isnt being bashed yet is the music. Its all about the music. SO i guess bash them now because theres nothin to do, but when they finally release the stuff people will fall in love again{if the material is great}....i guess whatever floats peopels boats....


As for the whole VR marketing/"attitude" thing...
This is what pisses me off most about vr. They are always talking about being this old school rock/we are bringing back rock/ music world sux{and it does/ yayadayyaya....we know that already they have said it a billion times. now go out an do it. what made gnr so special was that they were everything they said. They LIVED it. Vr will never live that kind of way again, therefore they cannot truly be what they say. As for their material repreenting what they say. Its not grimy rock. It just isnt. its reg rock but better. thats really my only problem with vr. they are always talking baout thisimage thing. who cares. as nike says....just do it....

[Dizzy]

Thats his personal feelings towards teh guy. Who are you to say he cant feel or say that. and if someone says that how is that not being classy.

Jesus christ kid, you think telling somebody "suck my dick" is classy in any way?  And what the fuck is this "who am I to say this" shit?  What the fuck does that have to do with anything?  You've really gone off the deep end now.  You're beyond explanations.

all i know is that axl is a much nicer guy then many make him out to be.

And you know this how?  

because he has matt sorum doing it for him  

Yeah, go ahead and laugh away the facts, jack.  

[Booker Floyd]

Because the psoter said vr is the best band of the past 6 yrs. That is a riduculous statement.

But you said that you cant be the best band "just by showing up"...Right?

Then how can you call the new GNR "the greatest band in the world"?  

...It doesnt seem you can.  Youre stuck in a direct contradiction.

[younggunner]

And you know this how?

read all the articles on this very site from 94/95 on. read the fan encounters. its all there. is axl an asshole, absoulutely...but hes also a very nice guy....

Yeah, go ahead and laugh away the facts, jack.  

will do...its ok i know i will have the last laugh though...cant tell you when..but i def. will have the last laugh and i cant wait....

Jesus christ kid, you think telling somebody "suck my dick" is classy in any way?  And what the fuck is this "who am I to say this" shit?  What the fuck does that have to do with anything?  You've really gone off the deep end now.  You're beyond explanations.

What the hell does class have to do with rnr. Just in case you forgot, slash cam eout of the same grimy apartment axl did. slash lived the same life axl did. i dont even wanna bring up this class/ethics thing. this is getting ridiculous. for me to have to defend axl on class because slash fans keep pointing out how "offensive" axl is...poor fukin pussies.. holy shit...axl said suck my dick to slash...no class who cares. thats his feelings. slash has class ok, if it make you happy slash has class...nwo can we drop this stupid argument....

But you said that you cant be the best band "just by showing up"...Right?

Then how can you call the new GNR "the greatest band in the world"?  

...It doesnt seem you can.  Youre stuck in a direct contradiction.

to me they are. as a personal thing, they are the greates thing in the world. but it wouldnt be fair and "objective" to think that as fact to the rest of the musical landscape. how can you say vr or gnr have been the best band in the world over the past 6 yrs from a commercial standpoint. They havnt released anything yet and vr is about to release their album.....
im not stuck in anything...

the mets are my favorite team and i think they are the best but if i said they have been the best team in baseball over the past few years i would get laughed at. Its one thing to beleive something personally and another to put it in perspective....

[Booker Floyd]

to me they are. as a personal thing, they are the greates thing in the world.

Oh...so I guess the guy who made his statement was speaking for sombody else?  Relaying a message maybe?

However it doesnt change the fact that your stance on the matter is that a band cant be the best simply by showing up.  That is exactly what you said...However the new GNR is the best - simply by showing up.  

how can you say vr or gnr have been the best band in the world over the past 6 yrs from a commercial standpoint.

Oh...that guy was speaking from a commercial standpoint.  Thanks for clarifying...

the mets are my favorite team and i think they are the best but if i said they have been the best team in baseball over the past few years i would get laughed at.

So what if you call them "the greatest [team] in the world"?  Is there really a difference?

[younggunner]

Oh...so I guess the guy who made his statement was speaking for sombody else?  Relaying a message maybe

i have no idea..ask him...instead of answering his posts....

However it doesnt change the fact that youre stance on the matter is that a band cant be the best simply by showing up.  That is exactly what you said...However the new GNR is the best - simply by showing up.  

axl,bucket,robin,fortus,tommy,dizzy,pittman,brain,dizzy....the monstrosity known as gnr...that very band to me and what they are and represent and have done so far and what there capable of TO ME is the greatest band in the world.

if you were doing a vh1 show on "most important bands" of the past 5 yrs...vr or gnr wouldnt make the list. and why should they. they have done nothin in terms of satisfying the public. when they begin to release their material that is when you gauge their importance on the musical scene .....

[Booker Floyd]

axl,bucket,robin,fortus,tommy,dizzy,pittman,brain,dizzy....the monstrosity known as gnr...that very band to me and what they are and represent and have done so far and what there capable of TO ME is the greatest band in the world.

...

So like I said, theyre the best simply by showing up.

But then why would you object to somebody believing that VR, what they are and what they represent are the greatest band to come along in 6/7 years (as if theres really a difference between saying that and saying "...in the world")?  Because they didnt say "To me...IMO...Its my belief that..."?  Simple inference isnt enough to determine that his statement is obvious what he feels.

if you were doing a vh1 show on "most important bands" of the past 5 yrs...vr or gnr wouldnt make the list. and why should they. they have done nothin in terms of satisfying the public. when they begin to release their material that is when you gauge their importance on the musical scene .....

When did this guy say anything about importance?  He said, like you did, "The Best".  

Youre struggling, grasping at those straws, so Ill stop rehashing it.  All I will say is that you should probably put more thought into the arguments you start and the opinions you give, especially when youre directly contradicting yourself in another post not even made 24 hours ago.  So if you truly believe that calling a band with no material "the best" is wrong, you shouldnt do the exact same thing, you know?