If Mr Stradin was in VR

[Doc Emmett Brown]

I'd love it if Izzy were on board, though I'm willing to give the Dave dude a chance.  

I think that sums it up for me.  

When I saw that Izzy opted out of the New York Dolls reunion because he didnt want to go through with the full tour - I shook my head in disappointment....  Even that is too much for him.

He just doesnt want to go all out again, and that's why he cant be in VR.  I've learned to accept it.  

[jarmo]

If I had my pick, Mark Lanegan would have been the singer for VR, and then Izzy probably would have joined, they've worked together before.  

Interesting choice. Big fan of his work.

But with a singer in the band, I'm not sure if Izzy would've joined.....



/jarmo

[tomass74]

I think Kushner fits right in...

[Billo]

  Izzy hey....NO way...im a huge guns fan but was never a big izzy fan..id prefer Gilby any day..
Also lets give dave a fair go..Slash duff matt and scot have given dave HIGE praise for his work and they seen verry happy so i say rock on guys..

[blues_rock_axeman]

Izzy hey....NO way...im a huge guns fan but was never a big izzy fan..id prefer Gilby any day..

Izzy wrote the good Guns stuff!

[starchild_666]

Izzy hey....NO way...im a huge guns fan but was never a big izzy fan..id prefer Gilby any day..

Izzy wrote the good Guns stuff!

but VR isn't GNR and won't write songs like GNR did... Izzy was good for GNR, but GNR is over...

[outlawaxl]

This band would have been called GnR minus Axl if Izzy were in the band... dont they want to get away from that??  but any band is a better band with Izzy Stradlin in it...

[Izzy]

Izzy hey....NO way...im a huge guns fan but was never a big izzy fan..id prefer Gilby any day..

Yeah...the stuff Gilby wrote for GNR is much better than the stuff Izzy wrote

With Izzy in VR we would finally learn what GNR would have been without Axl

To be fair the arrangement they have got going at the moment seems to be a good compromise - Izzy wouldn't have toured so Dave would have been needed no matter what - yet at the same time Izzy is unofficially in the band anyway writing stuff for them, he's the '6th' member just like West Arkeen was for GNR.

[Top-Hatted One]

Only none of Izzy's songs are not on Contraband.

But they might be on a future Izzy solo album or maybe even the 2nd VR album, who knows..

[Slashly]

Well, lets hope so.......






Baby Slash//

[Billo]

I really dont care what you izzy lovers say....He walked out...Gilby helped save the tour...FACT....and gilby never got the chance to write in GNG did he..
I prefer Gilby over izzy...

[GNRisAFD]

Izzy and Axl were the engine room of GNR to me.

I think there are 3 reasons why Izzy won't join VR, 1. is the volatile lead singer, 2., is he doesn't want to tour anymore and finally i don't think Scott wants to play in the "classic" mould that Izzy would have preferred.

[badobsession81]

classic mould? howd u mean?

did izzy say he didnt want to work with scott or scott say he didnt like izzys songs? i hadnt heard that?!?!

my slant on izzy is this:
he obv dont want the big time and pressure of touring etc. axl criticised his playin and performance on the last tour. axl was bitter that iz didnt move and work the crowd like axl and slash did. and to an extent i 'get' that, but was he really a bad player live? maybe its that he got so wasted on the illusion tour (he did sound out of it on any boots ive got and his playin was loose).

izzy to me was very important to gnr, but, only for the songs. i prefer other guitarists like fortus and gilby live, (and love dave's work ive heard so far!)
listening to his solo songs however make me feel that he thinks a song is finished as soon as he comes up with  it - his albums are very raw and to me it appears what reallly brought his songs alive were the other guns guys, i bet tehy added something to the songs and really pushed them up to another level, particularly axl. i get the sense that axl stretched the others songwriting ability.

i get the same feeling with VR - slash is so keen to boast about how quick they wrote the new songs and recorded them, but if they had been gnr songs im sure axl wouldve worked on them longer and challenged the band members. i think its this that is missing from all ex-gnr members songs since gnr.

i do like the new vr stuff a lot, but feel the song structure is a bit too influenced by scott in that they are chorus heavy at the end and are often very predictable in structure, u know? i just feel that songs like fall to pieces couldve been so much more, and had an end outro / bridge section rather than chorus repeats. but please dont get me wrong, i do LOVE this song and a lot of the others!

anyway, that was my rambling thoughts on the subject! (sorry). please let me know if u agree/disagree and why! thanks :-)

[jarmo]

did izzy say he didnt want to work with scott or scott say he didnt like izzys songs? i hadnt heard that?!?!

Scott said some of the songs he got from Slash sounded "too GN'R" so he wasn't interested in those. I don't know if those songs were written with Izzy or not.




/jarmo

[Booker Floyd]

I don't know if those songs were written with Izzy or not.

Yeah, they were.

Youre right, anything deemed "too GNR or STP" were discarded, and that included the 10 or so songs written with Izzy.  Scott said they were on the first CD he was given (I believe it was when they were choosing their Hulk contribution) and they were more classic-based, and he wasnt as excited about them as the ones on the second CD, were were presumably more "modern".  I really would love to see maybe a LIES-styled EP containing those Izzy tracks...

[badobsession81]

did izzy say he didnt want to work with scott or scott say he didnt like izzys songs? i hadnt heard that?!?!

Scott said some of the songs he got from Slash sounded "too GN'R" so he wasn't interested in those. I don't know if those songs were written with Izzy or not.




/jarmo

nnnnnnnnooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i want those songs!

stp is heard thru VR simply cuz of scott, but gnr influence seems very small considering there being 3 of em!

VR does seem to be quite duff influenced - punky, big machine is like that and theyre covering songs with punk attitude (bodies, its so easy, negative creep sounds punk too (the way its played)

they seem to be tighter and more attcking in style of playing, close to spagghetti incident style gnr i feel. theres no swagger that (although im a matt fan) steven brought to the appetite band. - altho matt can replicate it, but they just ssem more attacking and punk oriented with sTP on top. weird.

[Eugene Klein]

If I had my pick, Mark Lanegan would have been the singer for VR, and then Izzy probably would have joined, they've worked together before.  

When?

[jarmo]

If I had my pick, Mark Lanegan would have been the singer for VR, and then Izzy probably would have joined, they've worked together before.  

When?

Apparently on Mark Lanegan's "Bubblegum" album. Which is coming in August.


/jarmo