Fall to Pieces

[Freya]

I feel I try to be objective, I'm not an Axl maniac, I can well admit his faults, but imo VR is simply okay.

FtP is alright, good song, but not great not truly memorable.  Which I know, is perhaps asking too much.  

Slash's guitar is great on the song, good melody, very fluid.  But I don't know, the song sounds like something any run-of-the-mill band like Creed or Staind could do.  That's harsh I know.  It's a pleasant song, I like listening to it, but once it's gone I won't remember it, put it that way.  Jmo.  

This guy can't hold Axl's jock-in any capacity at any time. Sure, Weiland and Slash fit nicely and the band is solid, but let's not get carried away.

lol, I can kind of relate, I think Weiland is good, but then I download a 1988 Axl performance, and think God, he was really good.  But The Cult?  Love Removal Machine?  That was some good shit.  

[badgirl]

freya, as usual, i totally agree with you. I can see all this pretty objectively. I like both bands but VR stuff simply is not as good. HOWEVER, considering they have an energy, an enthusiasm, and a chemistry and a spirit about their music, it sort of all evens out. While i think Blues and Madagascar are definitely much better songs than Fall to Pieces (which, i have to admit, i was disappointed by) and the others, that certainly doesn't mean that VR's songs suck, or the band sucks.  
But D, you are absolutely correct by pointing out how the weaknesses in their respective songs ARE a result of a missing slash/axl.. what are you gonna do though? can't have everything all the time. The music we have now is definitely good enough, better than half the lame shit out there, and the band's energy and attitude will make up for their somewhat lackluster songs.

I happen to like Scott a lot. I think his voice rules and he is talented and definitely the best man for this position (and of front men available today, one of the best) but when you put him next to Axl.... it's not a knock on Scott, just more evidence of just how good Axl is.

[gezm]

The song rules deal with it  

[younggunner]

The music we have now is definitely good enough, better than half the lame shit out there, and the band's energy and attitude will make up for their somewhat lackluster songs.

I happen to like Scott a lot. I think his voice rules and he is talented and definitely the best man for this position (and of front men available today, one of the best) but when you put him next to Axl....  it's not a knock on Scott, just more evidence of just how good Axl is.

my feelings exactely...excellent post

[slashedguns]

The music we have now is definitely good enough, better than half the lame shit out there, and the band's energy and attitude will make up for their somewhat lackluster songs.

I happen to like Scott a lot. I think his voice rules and he is talented and definitely the best man for this position (and of front men available today, one of the best) but when you put him next to Axl....  it's not a knock on Scott, just more evidence of just how good Axl is.

my feelings exactely...excellent post

Axl is a genius and a legend,lets get that straight. VR is a great combination with extreme potential and are looking great so far. simple as that people

[Doc Emmett Brown]

no one does ballads better than axl

but no one comes up with heavy catchy riffs like slash

Where's Izzy?

Izzy's in Indiana doing donuts, and painting the house...

That guy wrote some really interesting songs.....  
Maybe you've even heard some of them?

I sure have.  I'd love to hear more (especially the ones with Adler), but all he ever wants to do is paint houses!  

Can you tell I'm upset over the New York Dolls thing?  

[D]

wasnt taking away from izzy but izzy isnt in GNR or velvet revolver and izzy doesnt play on new gnr or vr

i was just sayin slash's melodies and solo's took axls ballads to a new level and even izzys ballads

and axls lyrics and vocals took gnr and slashs music wttj,scom,coma,locomotive etc etc etc etc to a new level

[Booker Floyd]

I am not avoiding anything, the only thing I am avoiding is the child like name calling and bashing that people like booker are doing.  There is no point in name calling back or arguing with people like that.  He and the others that do that can bash and name call all they want but they are looking like the idiot for doing it not me.

Daves post, from another forum...

Thus the song is repetive you fucking dolt.
You are not very bright are you.

 

[dave-gnfnr2k]

no one does ballads better than axl

but no one comes up with heavy catchy riffs like slash

which is what made GNR the greatest band of all time

now we will have great axl ballads with mediocre guitar a la maddy and the blues  when i hear the blues its missing one element to make it a classic, thats a great guitar solo melody, thats where axl misses slash

same with VR only thing slither and set me free are missing is great lyrics and captivating vocals that only axl is capable of

so both sides will be weakened without the strengths every one brought to the gnr table

scott compares to axl like any gnr guitarist compares to slash

they are good, they are serviceable but not slash and no one can do what slash does, just like no one can do what axl does

I disagree, the madagascar solo and the blues solo are better than any solo we have heard thus far from VR.

I hope BHs parts say on CD because they will be better than anything slash has written in VR

[dave-gnfnr2k]

I am not avoiding anything, the only thing I am avoiding is the child like name calling and bashing that people like booker are doing.  There is no point in name calling back or arguing with people like that.  He and the others that do that can bash and name call all they want but they are looking like the idiot for doing it not me.

Daves post, from another forum...

Thus the song is repetive you fucking dolt.
You are not very bright are you.

 

Hey booker, why don't you type what the guy wrote before me?
HMMM
OH i forget that would totally ruin your argument now wouldnt it?

Plus that rant does not change the fact I don't bash and name call or THIS board like YOU do and like you are trying  to start doing here.


Its nice to know you have no life where  you bring other peoples posts from other forums.  

It just shows how childish you are to try and cause trouble, keep up the good work, you always show  your true colors  

[Eva GnRAxlRosette]

i'm just here to say one thing and i'm out

if someone at another forum  brought up about stuff from this forum what is wrong with dave responding in that forum...

its not like he shoulda come here and responded to what was said there

he didn't bring stuff from this forum to that forum...
he responded to a post made in that forum

i think any response to what was posted in that forum should be made in that forum

i think the mods would agree
 

[Booker Floyd]

Hey booker, why don't you type what the guy wrote before me?
HMMM
OH i forget that would totally ruin your argument now wouldnt it?

Oh?  So you didnt resort to name-calling?  Because I thought you did, and that totally contradicts the principle on which you built your little morality lecture...guess I was wrong?

Plus that rant does not change the fact I don't bash and name call or THIS board like YOU do and like you are trying  to start doing here.

Haha, so your principles on name-calling, and how it makes people "look like the idiot" vary from forum to forum, huh?

Its nice to know you have no life where  you bring other peoples posts from other forums.  

Is that bashing?  

It just shows how childish you are to try and cause trouble, keep up the good work, you always show  your true colors  

As childish and trouble-seeking as, say, a boycott?  

So just to be clear, the "name-calling makes one look like an idiot" rule that you take pride in doesnt apply to you?  Or it only applys on this forum?  

Either way, I wont bash you...in fact, I want to thank you for this impressive display of hypocrisy.    And Im sorry to bring a post excerpt from another forum, but after reading Daves staunch stance on name-calling here, and reading that only 5 or so minutes later there...I found it "funny".  Just like I find his defense of "That was another forum," like its not the same exact thing.  

Well, Ive proved my point.  Carry on...

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Sorry I disapointed you booker
Sorry If i hurt your feelings
Anyway, lets try and get back on topic and take it to PMs next time please if you want to discuss something I said on another board. The people on this board DONT want to hear it.

[Jizzo]

How about we end this pointless bickering and get back to the song.

I'm just gonna say that the new music has a vibe and within a few days after june 8th, the songs will prove how good they are. The only reason only a few songs are getting reviews is because unless Scott says what it is or you are a huge fan who knows all the new songs by name off the top of your head no one knows what the band is playing.

[Booker Floyd]

How about we end this pointless bickering and get back to the song.

I'm just gonna say that the new music has a vibe and within a few days after june 8th, the songs will prove how good they are. The only reason only a few songs are getting reviews is because unless Scott says what it is or you are a huge fan who knows all the new songs by name off the top of your head no one knows what the band is playing.

I still havent heard a note of the song, and wont until a week from now (Philly )...

Im excited to hear it, but keeping my expectations reasonable at the same time.  

[dave-gnfnr2k]

How about we end this pointless bickering and get back to the song.

I'm just gonna say that the new music has a vibe and within a few days after june 8th, the songs will prove how good they are. The only reason only a few songs are getting reviews is because unless Scott says what it is or you are a huge fan who knows all the new songs by name off the top of your head no one knows what the band is playing.

I agree.

[eNgIeS]

How about we end this pointless bickering and get back to the song.

I'm just gonna say that the new music has a vibe and within a few days after june 8th, the songs will prove how good they are. The only reason only a few songs are getting reviews is because unless Scott says what it is or you are a huge fan who knows all the new songs by name off the top of your head no one knows what the band is playing.

I agree.

Hell has just frozen over

[dave-gnfnr2k]

I was agreeing to lets get back to the song (ie topic) not the 2nd part.

[jarmo]

Wow. Maybe Booker can find a discussion about Britney Spears on some forum and bring that over as well?  



The intro to that song reminds me of Yesterdays and/or Patience.




/jarmo

[Booker Floyd]

Wow. Maybe Booker can find a discussion about Britney Spears on some forum and bring that over as well?  

 

Because displaying Daves hilariously direct hypocrisy in this very thread somehow relates to the randomness of Britney Spears?  And I dont believe I brought over a discussion, only a blatant example of his hypocrisy.  The discussion, however, was VR-related...oddly enough, Dave called a VR fan, "a fucking dolt".  And here I thought that was beneath him.  

And lets not play up the randomness of another forum...It was "the other" GNR forum...A place I actually rarely check out, but with the VR activity, I check there sometimes to see what people are saying.  So what a coincidence that I happen to see Dave say something like that...