Fall to Pieces

[metallex78]

Perhaps the studio version will have the 24 guitar overdubs with violin and cello I was anticipating

Nope, Duff distinctly said that while he thought about putting in cello, they kept it simple.

I have yet to hear this song, and will refrain from doing so until the albums released (well...until May 28 in Philly).

I'm one of the ones who will not download anymore until the album comes out but isn't this odd???
I jumped at the chance of downloading new GN'R's songs as soon as they were online, but I wanna hold out to hear the album for VR, apart from already hearing Slither, SMF & YGNR.

I guess it's easier with VR when their album release is only weeks away, whereas the GN'R album doesn't even seem to be on the horizon at this stage.

[justynius]

Does everyone remember a few years ago, when there was an unknown guitar section played in the background of the Estranged "Making the Videos" that was speculated to be the background for "This I Love"? The opening guitar to "Fall to Pieces" sounds VERY similar to that, but I can't tell because of the shit quality of the MP3. Is anyone else recognizing similarities? Could they be the same song?

And speculating even further.... Is fighting for the rights to the unreleased material during the GN'R partnership era a possible explanation for the Slash/Duff lawsuit?

[metallex78]

Does everyone remember a few years ago, when there was an unknown guitar section played in the background of the Estranged "Making the Videos" that was speculated to be the background for "This I Love"? The opening guitar to "Fall to Pieces" sounds VERY similar to that, but I can't tell because of the shit quality of the MP3. Is anyone else recognizing similarities? Could they be the same song?

And speculating even further.... Is fighting for the rights to the unreleased material during the GN'R partnership era a possible explanation for the Slash/Duff lawsuit?

That's really cool to hear, I love that little guitar doodle that Slash plays in the making of Estranged, it sounds a bit like the intro to Yesterdays but much more melodic. Slash is the king of melodic/emotional guitar pieces. I hope it is the same song!

[MeanBone]

regarding the song FTP


"all the slash's solos in the world couldn't save you... from all the crappy lyrics you have inside!"

this song lacked feeling, a good guitar solo, a good voice, and better lyrics. not an epic, not decent. half good and that's cuz duff and matt are playing it. other than that. that song just doesn't do it for me.

i'll take the blues any given day over that.
the weird thing is YGNR sounded a lot better than this, and this is song is what they're considering for they're second single! way to go VR  

[eNgIeS]

the weird thing is YGNR sounded a lot better than this, and this is song is what they're considering for they're second single! way to go VR  

The weird thing is, you are in the minority. Most people here have expressed there love for FTP. Yes it isnt as Epic as a November Rain, but it sounded so beatiful, Slash's solo is great. Its all a matter of a opinion & if we were to go to the polls now, most people would feel this is the smartest single selection for the 2nd single

Not saying you cant have an opinion, but dont make it sound like your opinion is the only one which matters & that VR shouldnt use it as the 2nd single just coz u dont like it

Besides what is our opinions based on right now, its based on a badly mixed concert bootleg, i think all of us should at least wait to here the studio version a few times before passing judgement 100% on it

[nesquick]

good song. I like a lot "do it for the kids" too". I'm stannding for the album versions to make a real judgment, but I pretty like them. However, I still prefer "the blues" and "madagascar"...

[younggunner]

this song lacked feeling, a good guitar solo, a good voice

Thats how i would describe it. Its a good song but def. not this masterpiece of a song that i was lead to believe. Its catchy and slash is excellent on it. But its not like a classic or anything. Naturally im gonna compare what vr claim to be their best song or whatever to gnr, old and new...and this song doesnt come close to anything of the old and nothing of the new.{maddy or the blues}.

I just think if they took their time with this song especially it could have been a classic. Instead its good but could be a shitload better.

Song will do well. But then as scott says ...fall to pieces

it lacks any type of good lyrical inspiration. Musically its excellent but aside form the chorus the song doesnt serve itself justice.....

check out illegal i ...that should be the next single

[nesquick]

all these songs are neither bad nor great. "Contraband" would be an honnest Rock n' Roll album. average/good, like 12/20. maybe 13/20 if they are well done in studio. it is ok. not fantastic but ok. However I repeat it, it's not close to what we have already heard of Axl's new material. Madagascar and the blues are better. Only "you got no right" could be as great.

[Naupis]

See I somewhat disagree on the song being emotionless and without feeling. From what I can make of the lyrics thus far, at the very beginning of the song Scott opens up with "been lonely since you've been gone" and so on and so on. Not complicated stuff, but simple enough people will connect with the song as everyone's felt those types of emotions before. Because it didn't take him 10 years to right the masterpiece about having his heart broken doesn't mean it its not heart felt.  It's sounds like they're his most heart felt lyrics on the album from what he's said, and throw in Slash's crying guitars and this song could become very popular. The thing that would have made it better is the excessive production Axl likes....I somewhat like that stuff, but thats not these guys styles. As duff said, they could have put in orchestras and this and that, but they wanted to keep it simple. I think this is an example where less equals more.

[starchild_666]

If there is God then this song will be a huge hit!   Definitely one of the best songs since GNR era  

[younggunner]

all these songs are neither bad nor great. "Contraband" would be an honnest Rock n' Roll album. average/good

I totally agree. For the most part, the songs are good. But they arent great. Its just rock. I was expecting some great sonsg and more sleazy type of songs because thats all the band has been talking about. Making sleazy old school rock. The only track that comes close to that idea is suckertrain blues. It has an old school aerosmith feel to it....After that its all reg rock. stuff that we have heard.

See I somewhat disagree on the song being emotionless and without feeling.

Idk, to me it didnt have chilling feeling when i heard it.

Because it didn't take him 10 years to right the masterpiece about having his heart broken doesn't mean it its not heart felt.  It's sounds like they're his most heart felt lyrics on the album from what he's said, and throw in Slash's crying guitars and this song could become very popular. The thing that would have made it better is the excessive production Axl likes....I somewhat like that stuff, but thats not these guys styles. As duff said, they could have put in orchestras and this and that, but they wanted to keep it simple.

Im not saying you have to write a masterpiece evrytime or that it has to be a full scale production. ALl im saying is that the song has gotten much hype from the fan reviews and it doesnt come close to the descriptions. Again the Slash solo is excellent. And the chorus is too. But if they took their time with this song it could have been a lot better.
I understand they want to keep it simple. im not saying it needs an ochestra and cowbells and all that. BUt it just seems like its not complete.

I think this is an example where less equals more.

I totally disagree. I think the exact opposite for this song, in particular. I understand the bands philosophy is to just "rock and keep it simple". Thats fine witht he rest of the songs, but this song had potential to be something instead they watsed it.
I think that whole lets keep it simple thing is way overated. Just to do something just to keep it simple limits you. ANd if your content with with that then fine but why watse all the talent? this band has a lot of talent with slash and weilan and duff....but to watse it ...idk....

like many of the songs, ftp is good but could be better..its a pattern im getting used to with slash since he has left gnr....

[Naupis]

The thing I just don't get is this whole 'could be better" comcept all the time. Anything could be better if you keep tinkering with it all the time, and that goes for any GNR song ever written as well. There comes a point where when you're sitting there listening to it you think it accomplishes what you want and you put it in finished box, not the perpetually working on it one. Slash and Duff have said many times we still probably wouldn't have the illusions had Axl had his way and kept working on them more tweaking them, so does that mean those could all be bettter as well. I think the songs accomplish everything VR wanted out of a debut album.....there are some catchy ones that will be singles, they have good riffs and they rock. They weren't trying to reinvent the wheel like Axl is. It is just s difference in musical philosohphy, nothing wrong with that that signifies the guys aren't trying hard enough. I would bet we will see significant growth on the second album as they still are a new band. Frankly, compared to old GNR stuff it doesn't match up.....but what does? Compared to everything else out there right now, I think VR is as good or better. Axl will never release an album so we won't know what he's doing, but even he so far has pretty much just reinvented illusions era stuff, so its not like he is exactly been Mr. revolutionary himself. I think the thing we need to realize about Slash, Axl, Duff and the rest of them is that GNR music was made with the 5 of them, and take any one element away and you aren't going to get better than the original GNR because they were all necessary to make that music. Slash/Axl were like Perry/Tyler, Richards/Jagger, Page/Plant.....take one away and neither are ever the same. They may still make good music, but never to the level of their creative bests together. That being said, we should be happy we at least have some new material to listen to that at least sounds like a motivated and focused slash....which we hadn't seen in a while. FTP sounds like vintage slash, which makes me happy.

[younggunner]

Axl will never release an album so we won't know what he's doing, but even he so far has pretty much just reinvented illusions era stuff, so its not like he is exactly been Mr. revolutionary himself.

Except for th eblues, songs liek maddy,cd,rhiad,silk worms and omg wouldnt be on the illusions.

Im not saying you have to be revolutionary.

I think the thing we need to realize about Slash, Axl, Duff and the rest of them is that GNR music was made with the 5 of them, and take any one element away and you aren't going to get better than the original GNR because they were all necessary to make that music. Slash/Axl were like Perry/Tyler, Richards/Jagger, Page/Plant.....take one away and neither are ever the same

That might very well be true...but the last member has yet to unveil his material. Till then we have to hold on to that comment.

That being said, we should be happy we at least have some new material to listen to that at least sounds like a motivated and focused slash....which we hadn't seen in a while. FTP sounds like vintage slash, which makes me happy.

I agree. I like vr. Im not trying to knock them at all. They will def rock. Plus tehre a great live show. But they make it seem liek there the next big thing in rock. And there not. There better than all of the shit out there but Im not going by those standards. Im going by the standards they have all set in their previous efforts with stp and gnr. Im glad we have some new material from the old guys. I'll prob check out the album when it comes out. Im even going to see them in nyc. There a talented band but they are limiting themselves imo with thier musical philosphy. That doesnt make it wrong at all. Thats why gnr split up. musical directions. no1 is right or wrong. When cd comes out we will have a better idea of who had a better vision....

[dave-gnfnr2k]

How can anyone compare this song to SCOM? Its not even close.
Its not even close to the blues.
The blues lyrics are by far better and the guitar solo is the blues is better than FTP also. Btw I thought slash HATED playing ballads, guess that is just another lie eh?

[Falcon]

Its not even close to the blues.

.
Subjective.

The blues lyrics are by far better and the guitar solo is the blues is better than FTP also.

Non factual.

[slashedguns]

How can anyone compare this song to SCOM? Its not even close.
Its not even close to the blues.
The blues lyrics are by far better and the guitar solo is the blues is better than FTP also. Btw I thought slash HATED playing ballads, guess that is just another lie eh?

Dave,,Dave,,Dave you cant comment without animosity towards ex members even if u try,eh?

[Mikkamakka]

How can anyone compare this song to SCOM? Its not even close.
Its not even close to the blues.
The blues lyrics are by far better and the guitar solo is the blues is better than FTP also. Btw I thought slash HATED playing ballads, guess that is just another lie eh?

You must be kidding. Robin Finck should have take some guitar lessons first, then form a garage band, but shouldn't ever join GN'R... He's the second worst instrumentalist GN'R ever had (Mr. Close-friend Tobias is the winner).
FTP's guitars blow away every guitar theme from the Nu-GN'R, however if Slash has a band, I will always miss Axl and vice versa. But I had to face that they can't stand each other, so we get only great (or sometimes mediocre) stuff, but never a classic.  

[dave-gnfnr2k]

I am not kididng and Finck is an amazing guitar player.
Axl seems to think and so does Trent.
They would not have them in their bands if they did not think he was good.
As for VR I am sorry to tell you but they are alternative rock they are not hard rock like old gnr was.
So call the new gnr nu gnr all you want but their songs are much better than VRs.

As for you Falcon of coarse its subjective, everything when it comes to music is.
So what is your point? Instead of stating the obvious why not make an opinion and stop wasting peoples time.

[madagas]

Can everyone just wait until you have the fully recorded studio versions of the songs?...comparing bootleg live versions is silly. Songs could be dramatically different in the studio-ESPECIALLY Axl's-who the fuck knows what is going to be on the album, let alone what it will sound like. Buy Contraband-listen-absorb, then hopefully one day buy Chinese-listen-absorb, THEN make an argument. Arguing about soundtrack songs and shitty live bootlegs is a waste of time. Just my two cents. Both Axl and Slash sound much better in the studio than they do live.

[Falcon]

As for you Falcon of coarse its subjective, everything when it comes to music is.
So what is your point? Instead of stating the obvious why not make an opinion and stop wasting peoples time.

I've already stated my opinion so why repeat myself and really "waste peoples time"?

My point is goofy blanket statements such as:

"Its not even close to the blues"

...and the forever popular:

"The blues lyrics are by far better and the guitar solo is the blues is better than FTP also."



Both are merely one persons opinion (stated as fact) whose post reflectled a lack of objectivity.

Therefore, their opinions (stated as fact) shouldn't be any less respected, but debunked as rhetoric and taken less seriously.