Slash & Duff to sue Axl! part 2 (New info in Slash/Duff lawsuit)

[phaseONE]

All in all, and i know this has been re-run on every fukkin fan forum like a gazzillion times, but if axl didnt use the GNR name and did his own thing, none of this would have EVER happened !

Simple really, keep GNR seperate from solo issues, play a few GNR tracks live as " the axl rose band " ( or whatever he wants to call it other than GNR ) and no one has a problem, not the fans, not the band members .

That way, GNR could have been used to sell out in anyway shape or form, and as long as they are making money from it ( which is what its all about ) all`s good !

Untill then, i say good luck to slash and duff, screw axl till his ears bleed, maybe one day hell wake up and realise just what a fukking wanker he really is !

People can change, lets just hope axl can too.

[Eva GnRAxlRosette]

Untill then, i say good luck to slash and duff, screw axl till his ears bleed, maybe one day hell wake up and realise just what a fukking wanker he really is !

Um.... no Fuck Slash... Fuck Duff...  
they are the wankers
they are the ones who are suing for rights they must claim they weren't aware of all these years...  

S/D "You see... your honor... since 1995 we have had all the rights to GN'R's music"


Judge "Really now, hm.  Why did you not excercise your rights?"

S/D: *Shrugs* um... well, you see your honor we didn't realize it til just now.

Judge  "Hm.  I see.  But you claim that Axl Rose knew."

S/D:  Yes, your honor.  You see... he's a really bad, bad man.

 

[St.heathen]

Untill then, i say good luck to slash and duff, screw axl till his ears bleed, maybe one day hell wake up and realise just what a fukking wanker he really is !

Um.... no Fuck Slash... Fuck Duff...  
they are the wankers
they are the ones who are suing for rights they must claim they weren't aware of all these years...  

S/D "You see... your honor... since 1995 we have had all the rights to GN'R's music"


Judge "Really now, hm.  Why did you not excercise your rights?"

S/D: *Shrugs* um... well, you see your honor we didn't realize it til just now.

Judge  "Hm.  I see.  But you claim that Axl Rose knew."

S/D:  Yes, your honor.  You see... he's a really bad, bad man.

 

I don't agree with either of you...  How can you have such strong negative comments about any of thse guys? You are on a web site dedicated to their work!?  I have asked another member on the VR thread the same, to explain how you can be like that, because i don't get it....??

And unless your album's say differently, they are the people who helped create that music.  Or maybe you people weren't around or not into GN'R  when they were together, so maybe you don't appriciate why everyone thinks of them so highly?

I'm just trying to understand it all. How dare any of us call them wankers!? They have had highly successful careers and they are decent guys, they take time out for their fans.  And so gifted and talented,  inspired so many people into music and to pick up instruments.

Untill you or i have done that then can you really be so strong in your comments? Especially as they have or are able to read them?  It's not right by my standards anyway.      

[phaseONE]

So eva, u dont think slash or duff or any of the appetite crew bar axl has any rights to the music?

Im glad slash and duff are doing this, i really am.

Look, axl had his chance at trying to be GNR, he failed big time, played a " world tour " under the GNR banner as the " chinese democracy starts NOW ! " title and played 90% old tunes, now thats not right now is it?
He even failed to fill out arenas , turn up to gigs or even finish the tour.

again all under the GNR monarch and screwed it up.

What slash and duff are trying to do makes sense to me anyways.

I really do hope that they get to block axls rights , at least untill he has his brain checked out or get rid of the hangers on around him, maybe hell come down from his little cloud and back down to earth.

[Eva GnRAxlRosette]

So eva, u dont think slash or duff or any of the appetite crew bar axl has any rights to the music?


I really do hope that they get to block axls rights...

huh? No... you are incorrect in stating that I think slash or duff or any of the appetite crew bar axl has any rights to the music.


However, YOU are saying that you hope Slash and Duff obtain sole rights, to the excusion of Axl.

I definitely don't agree with that.
Lets not argue.
You think Axl's gotta 'get his brain' checked out....
Again, I don't agree.  
Do you see a pattern here?
I don't think we are going to agree on much.  
So lets save our breath and not argue.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
I am of the mind that Slash and Duff should eat shit, puke it back up, reheat it, top it with a fresh load of steaming shit, pick up a fork and chow down til it comes out their ears.
I can see how you woud tend to disagree with this.
I'm a reasonable person.
Lets agree to disagree.
 

[PeterCoffin]

I'm getting pretty sick of hearing speculation, I want to know what the fuck is going on. This kind of shit from both sides of GnR is getting pretty fucking tired.

Anyone have any idea when this goes to court?

[killingvector]

hopefully axl's rebuttal will be published online too, but i doubt it. we may not know anything for a long while. Pretty much about the time  we will  hear about this CD record again.

[Falcon]

hopefully axl's rebuttal will be published online too, but i doubt it.

whenever his lawyers respond it'll be a public record, so 'we'll see it.

[D]

if slash and duff win it will be horrible

i can already see them selling the rights to EBAY and it get totally fucked over like frank sinatra's My Way

i almost wish it would so all u axl bashers would finally have to say an ill word towards slash and co

welcome to ebay we got fun and games
we got everything u want honey we know the names
we are the people that can find whatever u made need
if u got the money honey we got your disease on ebay welcome to ebay!!!!!

get ready cause if slash and duff had their way this would be the kinda shit that would happen

[Booker Floyd]

get ready cause if slash and duff had their way this would be the kinda shit that would happen

And you believe this because...

Of course I already know the answer, but Im interested in seeing what you pull out to "prove" your suspicions.

Whats the basis?  Because Slash and Duff possibly wanted to license music to a few more movies?  Hate to break it to you, but under Axls control, GNRs music has been licensed to 9 or 10 movies (Real Cancun being one), not to mention various music compilations (Jim Romes Welcome To The Jungle and Power Ballads being only two)...so because Slash and Duff might have wanted 4 other movies, that somehow implicates they want to put their music in EBay commercials, or any commercials for that matter?  So movies somehow equals commercials?  At least it does when it comes to Slash and Duff...

[kockstar99]

u dont think slash or duff or any of the appetite crew bar axl has any rights to the music?

they recieve royalties.... if they wanted a say in how the music was used they shouldnt have walked away from it so easy.... the second they thought about walking away from the biggest band in the world at the time they should have made damn sure what their rights were...

Im glad slash and duff are doing this, i really am.

why?? you want to hear an old recording of WTTJ on another movie? or you just want to see "Axl get his"

Look, axl had his chance at trying to be GNR, he failed big time, played a " world tour " under the GNR banner as the " chinese democracy starts NOW ! " title and played 90% old tunes, now thats not right now is it?

why not?? Why is it "not right"?? coz you say so?? If you dont like it then dont fucking go to the shows...dont buy it.. dont support it.... stay at home and listen to AFD or the snakeshit albums...

He even failed to fill out arenas , turn up to gigs or even finish the tour.

He also managed to sell out MSG in 15 minutes, played a few new songs, and prove that his new band can play the old songs... you  can name negative things and i can name positive....  where was Slash and Duff?? and you know shit about "even finish the tour" you dont know shit about who cancelled it or for what reason.... your talking shit for no reason and about somthing you know nothing about

again all under the GNR monarch and screwed it up.

who screwed it up??? what do you consider "screwed it up" ... what did you want to see 91-92 numbers at a show for a band that had been non exsistent for close to a decade?? it takes time to get back to that level... again more shit talking...

What slash and duff are trying to do makes sense to me anyways.

whats that?? VR or suing Axl???

I really do hope that they get to block axls rights ,

why? so Slash and Duff can have full controll of somthing they walked away from and didnt give a rats ass about untill 9 years later? again shit....

at least untill he has his brain checked out or get rid of the hangers on around him, maybe hell come down from his little cloud and back down to earth.

 

[St.heathen]

if slash and duff win it will be horrible

i can already see them selling the rights to EBAY and it get totally fucked over like frank sinatra's My Way

i almost wish it would so all u axl bashers would finally have to say an ill word towards slash and co

welcome to ebay we got fun and games
we got everything u want honey we know the names
we are the people that can find whatever u made need
if u got the money honey we got your disease on ebay welcome to ebay!!!!!

get ready cause if slash and duff had their way this would be the kinda shit that would happen

Again i'll say the same here. I can't understand how you can have such a strong negative opinion?  What have they done apart from being talented basterds who have together created Guns n' Roses?  

These are grown fucking men how dare you point the finger!?  When you have created your Appetite for destruction then come back and take shots.  

I have as much respect for Axl, SLash and Duff.  You nor I  know what is behind the decision to sue now, maybe they were hoping things would actually not go that far and Axl would have come around and get Guns going again.  

 Maybe they feel they have given it enough time and things haven't got better, so after the GH. Where they realised how little muscle they had to halt it or weren't even informed about it and if i'm not mistaken, you were among those saying how it wasn't giving value to the fans and we all agreed how it was just geffen reaping money back.  Maybe the guys were aware how certain fans wanted to boycott it and just felt enough was enough? So in a way maybe that was the effect of the boycott ? Who knows?

It's not our band we cannot say what films should and shouldn't have GNR material on them lol It's just  nothing to do with us.  Some of the posters not you in particular are saying unless it's a successfull blockbuster they don't want it being used? well excuse me just because they are blockbusters doesn't mean they are good films!  

I would like to know tho what they have done to give you such a negative view about them ?
 

[TIPSY]

if slash and duff win it will be horrible

i can already see them selling the rights to EBAY and it get totally fucked over like frank sinatra's My Way

i almost wish it would so all u axl bashers would finally have to say an ill word towards slash and co

welcome to ebay we got fun and games
we got everything u want honey we know the names
we are the people that can find whatever u made need
if u got the money honey we got your disease on ebay welcome to ebay!!!!!

get ready cause if slash and duff had their way this would be the kinda shit that would happen

Again i'll say the same here. I can't understand how you can have such a strong negative opinion?  What have they done apart from being talented basterds who have together created Guns n' Roses?  

These are grown fucking men how dare you point the finger!?  When you have created your Appetite for destruction then come back and take shots.  

I have as much respect for Axl, SLash and Duff.  You nor I  know what is behind the decision to sue now, maybe they were hoping things would actually not go that far and Axl would have come around and get Guns going again.  

 Maybe they feel they have given it enough time and things haven't got better, so after the GH. Where they realised how little muscle they had to halt it or weren't even informed about it and if i'm not mistaken, you were among those saying how it wasn't giving value to the fans and we all agreed how it was just geffen reaping money back.  Maybe the guys were aware how certain fans wanted to boycott it and just felt enough was enough? So in a way maybe that was the effect of the boycott ? Who knows?

It's not our band we cannot say what films should and shouldn't have GNR material on them lol It's just  nothing to do with us.  Some of the posters not you in particular are saying unless it's a successfull blockbuster they don't want it being used? well excuse me just because they are blockbusters doesn't mean they are good films!  

I would like to know tho what they have done to give you such a negative view about them ?
 

Okay Mrfarr.  You ask what have Slash and Duff done?

Let me enlighten you if I may.

THEY QUIT ON W. AXL ROSE
THEY ARE TWO HEROIN ADDICTS WHO ADDED TO THE DEMISE OF GNR
THEY LIE
THEY WALKED AWAY FROM ONE OF THE MOST SUCCESSFUL BANDS IN HISTORY.  AXL DID NOT LEAVE THEM.  SLASH AND DUFF QUIT ON HIM SO WHAT PART OF THIS DO YOU NOT COMPREHEND?

And to further complicate matters, not to mention, lessen their credibility, they decide NOW--9 FUCKING YEARS LATER TO SUE AXL ROSE.  ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS BAH HA HA HA HA BECAUSE THEY WILL NOT WIN.

Suddenly, Slash and Duff give new meaning to "double talkin' jive get the money mother fucka', i got no more patience."

Mrfarr, do NOT turn a blind eye to the facts.  If you do that then you are just as much a hypocrit as Slash and Duff.

I can guarantee you that this stupid ass lawsuit will be deemed by the courts as just that--S -T -U -P-I-D

You don't see Axl Rose pulling this shit on people and he has supposedly screwed over so many people, right

Open your eyes fool.  Slash and Duff are fraudlent fucks who do not deserve any success and have to obviously attack Axl Rose whom they have said many times they are through with   in order for them to gain publicity.

Pretty fucking sad and that Mrfarr is a cold reality.

[horsey]

maybe axl needed this to happen everything happens for a reason.it wasn't handled right ,now it can be sorted out.im not on anybody's side but feel it should be worked out.if axl isn't giving rights for movies that can lose money he could have made so that wasn't very smart.cause im sure you would get some cump change for movies with your songs in it.right ?it's called royalties.at least i know about that.

[D]

mrfarr u honestly dont think duff and slash have alterior motives here?

u are forgetting one enormous huge fact

slash and duff still are getting paid

everytime an appetite for destruction,a gnr lies an illusion whatever is sold they make money

some of u are confused i think, i think alot of u think that slash and duff arent getting paid

this isnt the case at all

axl is trying to create a new guns n roses

its the same reason he sued not wanting the GH's released, axl wants to create a new GNR and if OLD gnr is on every soundtrack comin and goin they will look like washed up hacks tryin to make a buck by being on a film soundtrack

why cant some of u applaud axl for not exploiting the back catalogue every chance he gets?

i know  i know he put so many songs on soundtracks etc but it was ok cause they were touring,making music for most of those films so they were still in the public eye

but for axl considering he hasnt done shit in 10 years, for him to keep livin off the old by puttin songs on every soundtrack coming and going would be pathetic!

slash and duff dont care about the music, they care about money

cheated out of a million dollars or so, thats what they are worried about

no one will ever change their talent and their contributions to GNR but i sure as fuck dont wanna see GNR music on every piece of shit movie soundtrack comin and goin

so remember slash and duff are gettin paid for their work

axl just chooses to not whore it to every movie, tv commercial etc

they left axl so they have no say in GNR

i loved the whole if u co owned a business with your friend and u all made an empire together, if he sold his share of the company, he would be remembered and appreciated for his help in building the company

but 9 years later he wouldnt be able to walk into the corporate office and try to tell u how to run your shit and what to do

they quit, plain and simple, they quit on axl!

i will believe till my grave that slash thought he was bigger than he actually was, he thought he could power play axl, leave axl start a new band with the material he was holdin back from Guns and make it on his own

he was wrong but thats his fault not axls!

[Mutherfunker]

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, WILL PEOPLE STOP TALKING CRAP!

Nobody here has the right to call slash and duff names
Nobody here has any reason to think that they have less integrity than Axl
Nobody here knows any reason why they are doing this besides the obvious loss of earnings.
Nobody here can say slash and duff will let the songs be used anywhere. There are only a handful of movies mentioned - no ebay/advert/etc bullshit.

There are, however, questions that I'd like to hear the answers to. Why is this happening now? and what changes will happen to the use of GN'R music if they win?

@#$%Muther

[St.heathen]

[quote author=TIPSY
Okay Mrfarr.  You ask what have Slash and Duff done?

Let me enlighten you if I may.

THEY QUIT ON W. AXL ROSE
THEY ARE TWO HEROIN ADDICTS WHO ADDED TO THE DEMISE OF GNR
THEY LIE
THEY WALKED AWAY FROM ONE OF THE MOST SUCCESSFUL BANDS IN HISTORY.  AXL DID NOT LEAVE THEM.  SLASH AND DUFF QUIT ON HIM SO WHAT PART OF THIS DO YOU NOT COMPREHEND?

And to further complicate matters, not to mention, lessen their credibility, they decide NOW--9 FUCKING YEARS LATER TO SUE AXL ROSE.  ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS BAH HA HA HA HA BECAUSE THEY WILL NOT WIN.

Suddenly, Slash and Duff give new meaning to "double talkin' jive get the money mother fucka', i got no more patience."

Mrfarr, do NOT turn a blind eye to the facts.  If you do that then you are just as much a hypocrit as Slash and Duff.

I can guarantee you that this stupid ass lawsuit will be deemed by the courts as just that--S -T -U -P-I-D

You don't see Axl Rose pulling this shit on people and he has supposedly screwed over so many people, right

Open your eyes fool.  Slash and Duff are fraudlent fucks who do not deserve any success and have to obviously attack Axl Rose whom they have said many times they are through with   in order for them to gain publicity.

Pretty fucking sad and that Mrfarr is a cold reality.

First of all I am not a fool, so an appology would be nice there, we are just debating no?

My point has been that i am not on "a side" i am completely in the middle Because i do not know the facts nobody but those guys know the hard facts.  I admire all of them, Axl is a legend and i will be there the morning CD comes out. To be totally honest, i am more excited by what Axl has going on, more original, fresher sound. Madagascar is amongst the top GNR songs ever in my opinion.  And i also expect VR to kick ass the ingredients are right for a great band.

They didn't just walk out of GNR there was alot of bull shit by all parties.  Let's be honest here ok you say i'm turning a blind eye.  But after the illusions tour they all had over bloated egos, who wouldn't? They were the biggest band in the world!  At least two of them completely stoned, mashed up. And by all accounts - even Izzy-  mentioned how Axl had become power crazy. So that mix = not good for  a band.

You and I know how volatile Axl can be as reported by many accounts- can be right stubborn .  A true artist, a man of genius, but you can't denie the fact he could make things pretty awkward for you if he wanted to.  

So if you think it was as simple as them just walking out - especially if you look back at the time scale that they both left.  I really don't see it as cut and dry as that.  I'm not saying it's all Axl, really not.  I'm saying you have to take a stand back at it all and account for both sides.  Untill we know a fuller realistic account of it all.

  The 9 year wait thing as i have said my guess and hey we are all guessing here.  But as a result of the GH scenario, because none of them were involved and were bascially powerless was a mere shell of what it could have been.  And maybe they thought it was about time someone tried to step in and take some control ?  Some fans were really fuelled over the fact that the GH was coming out and wasn't value for money, maybe they responded to that ?
 

[St.heathen]

mrfarr u honestly dont think duff and slash have alterior motives here?

u are forgetting one enormous huge fact

slash and duff still are getting paid

everytime an appetite for destruction,a gnr lies an illusion whatever is sold they make money

some of u are confused i think, i think alot of u think that slash and duff arent getting paid

this isnt the case at all

axl is trying to create a new guns n roses

its the same reason he sued not wanting the GH's released, axl wants to create a new GNR and if OLD gnr is on every soundtrack comin and goin they will look like washed up hacks tryin to make a buck by being on a film soundtrack

why cant some of u applaud axl for not exploiting the back catalogue every chance he gets?

i know  i know he put so many songs on soundtracks etc but it was ok cause they were touring,making music for most of those films so they were still in the public eye

but for axl considering he hasnt done shit in 10 years, for him to keep livin off the old by puttin songs on every soundtrack coming and going would be pathetic!

slash and duff dont care about the music, they care about money

cheated out of a million dollars or so, thats what they are worried about

no one will ever change their talent and their contributions to GNR but i sure as fuck dont wanna see GNR music on every piece of shit movie soundtrack comin and goin

so remember slash and duff are gettin paid for their work

axl just chooses to not whore it to every movie, tv commercial etc

they left axl so they have no say in GNR

i loved the whole if u co owned a business with your friend and u all made an empire together, if he sold his share of the company, he would be remembered and appreciated for his help in building the company

but 9 years later he wouldnt be able to walk into the corporate office and try to tell u how to run your shit and what to do

they quit, plain and simple, they quit on axl!

i will believe till my grave that slash thought he was bigger than he actually was, he thought he could power play axl, leave axl start a new band with the material he was holdin back from Guns and make it on his own

he was wrong but thats his fault not axls!

I'm not confused by nothing, I  have been a die hard fan for a long time me.  I know as much as anybody else. As i said that's why i can't take sides, i really can't approach it like that.  If i was to meet any of them tomorrow; i would shake all of them by the hand as they have been a huge positive inspiration to me. I Have had some great times on GNR.  And yeh they must have done something really bad to piss off Axl so much  All those years ago, but i'm sure he did his fair share of pissing off to wouldn't  you agree?

I think your right, my opinion would be that i'm glad they are not on every movie soundtrack.  Infact the only one i ever bought was End of days, because OMG was a new GNR track.  The only time i ever spent ?15 on one track lol as brilliant as it is. But what i'm saying is it's not my or our business  to be so negative about them.  If they walked past you tomorrow i'm sure you would be quite excited say hi - whatever.  Or if there was a reunion (just in theory lol) would u not be excited?

You make the point that they left but what they are now saying is that Axl left first, so where would that leave that argument?  Is it the first to leave or the last to go ?  My point about the business thing has a different meaning to their case because their names are and will always be attached to Guns n' Roses.  And they will always be asked about GN'R even though they don't even know.
So don't you think they should all have equal say in what happens with the material they recorded?

Wouldn't you agree that thats how a weak GH comes out? Because nobody is taking control, so to prevent that happening again, they have to get involved.

I don't agree with the case at all,  it's a sad extra nail to any future reunion.  If they ALL just wised up a bit all this could have been avoided.

 There will always be gaps in whatever they release because we know as fans certain ingredients they are missing ,  The Axl vocal stage presence and songwriting ,  the Slash feel to a solo and dynamic presence,  Izzy's songwriting.  Duff's all out punk rockness lol

That is why i would never want them to read anything negative from me because i hold too much respect for them.

[D]

we need to get off the greatest hits thing cause it is a dead issue

the record label decided that and basically the record label owns the masters, they can put out 10 more compilations if they want to, hell look at aerosmith, they arent of geffen anymore and we've had how many compilation greatest hits?

Prince couldnt even stop warner bros from releasing the best of prince, he tried and couldnt so he went on his website and urged fans to not buy it

axl slash duff doesnt matter, the record label did it cause they can and there wasnt anything the band could do

greatest hits was not a waste of money

to a hardcore fan maybe, but the charts and album sells dont lie, this GH's is a major success

ive burnt thousand time better compilation GNR cds but i bought greatest hits for 14.00 bucks and it stayed in my cd player for a long time till prince's musicology knocked it out, but i still listen to it when im joggin etc

it was an excellent greatest hits give or take estranged not bein on there

but it helped me to discover that i actually like aint it fun and sftd

so considering slash and duff are still gettin paid royalties why else would they be pissed cause axl nixed some soundtrack deals?

thats what the lawsuit says, they were robbed of millions in potential soundtrack revenues

bottom line they want to be on as many soundtracks and make as much money as possible axl doesnt wanna whore out the catalogue for wealth

thats how i read between the lines based on the lawsuit

if slash and duff werent getting royalties anymore from their work id be behind them 100 percent but they are still gettin paid! so whats their bitch?

[kockstar99]

if slash and duff werent getting royalties anymore from their work id be behind them 100 percent but they are still gettin paid! so whats their bitch?

Exactly D....

Whats is thier Bitch now??? They didnt give a rats ass 9 years ago... but now its a big deal to them...

I was watching some past 90's concerts with the old band and remembering how much i missed the old band but when i think about this shit they pull i feel nothing but utter disgust for them and thier new band...

go to hell Slash and Duff... ok you wrote some good Riffs and Bass Lines.. but you walked away...

FACE IT VR FANS ...AXL ROSE IS A SMARTER MOTHER FUCKER AND BETTER MUSICIAN than they are...

CD is more anticipated than Contraband....

Contraband has more "original gnr members"

Contraband is not as anticipated as CD is

CD has taken more time to make...

Contraband has taken just as much time to make...

when was the last time Duff, Slash and Matt made released a CD together???  the same amount of time as Axl Rose has...


Face it.... Axl Rose is and has always been the talent behind GnR(name or not) .....

yes they made good music together but CD, The Blues, Madagascar, are better than anything the VR guys can come up with..

Bash away... Slash and Duff are acting like a bunch of little cunts..

oh and i can "judge them" coz i buy the god damn records, the concert tickets, the T-shirts, The posters, and the DVD's.....