Slash & Duff to sue Axl! part 2 (New info in Slash/Duff lawsuit)

[Malcolm]

I dont really know what to make of this....I think Axl will win because slash and duff both have publicly said they LEFT the band...and said they were involved in LIVE ERA...i dont think they want competition with the new gnr...i cant wait to see how this turns out

GO AXL GO

[Naupis]

Cleveland and Columbus, I can even scan my ticket stubs in for you if you would like  

You can get all hot and bothered that your leader Axl may have screwed himself and his new band, but don't take it out on me. I am just regurgitating what was said in that brief.

And your right, I don't know there won't be a settlement. But why would Slash/Duff do that to help out Axl. Do you honestly think for one second that if a judge tells Axl he is shit out of luck in the future about GNR decision making because he opted out of the Orignial Partnership that Slash and Duff are going to settle with him so he can keep control. If you believe that, then I have a bridge in New York thats for sale.

Again, if Axl loses control over old GNR stuff because he opted out of the partnership it will be because he thought he was too smart for his own good.

[Naupis]

Malcom-

Axl left the partnership....not Slash and Duff. The lawsuit alleges that by Axl leaving the partnership (Which owns and controls all old GNR decision making power) that he has forfeited his right to be involved in such process from here on out now that they have made this discovery in the contract. This has nothing to do with leaving the Band, the band name is not an issue. This is a completely separate entity. Hope that helps.

[Malcolm]

thanks it does...but hasnt slash and duff both said numerous times that they left the band not axl???

[Naupis]

The 3 of them from what the brief says had a partnership separate from the band. Like a business, that made all of the business decisions involving GNR and the catalog from 87-94. What they are saying is that Axl sent them a letter anouncing his intention to leave that partnership which owned and made those decisions to start a new band. The partnership did not dissolve strictly because he left, and the gist of their lawsuit is that by him legally withdrawing, he actually forfeited his right to veto and decide anything about how the GNR catalog is used because he was no longer a part of the partnership. They allege he has been acting illegally ever since in regard to how and what GNR has licensed, and they are basically telling him to cease and desist from here on out in terms of acting as a partner in the agreement he left. As said earlier, if they can prove this it is Axl, not slash/duff that turned their back on the partnership.

[jrs2001_99]

Malcolm -

Yes, but S/D's angle here is that the contract that Axl made them sign, relinquishing the name all those years ago, stated that Axl would keep the name if he left the partnership of the "old GNR."

The letter that was then sent to S/D in late '95 stated that Axl was doing just that; leaving the partnership of Guns N' Roses.

It doesn't matter what anyone said, that isn't the legal issue here. Slash and Duff clearly believe that they are legally entitled to the benefits Axl has received since he "left", by using the GNR name.

They believe this to be the case because once Axl left, he was no longer a partner, and as such has had no right to deny the others input in how material belonging to the old GNR should be used.

[jrs2001_99]

The 3 of them from what the brief says had a partnership separate from the band. Like a business, that made all of the business decisions involving GNR and the catalog from 87-94. What they are saying is that Axl sent them a letter anouncing his intention to leave that partnership which owned and made those decisions to start a new band. The partnership did not dissolve strictly because he left, and the gist of their lawsuit is that by him legally withdrawing, he actually forfeited his right to veto and decide anything about how the GNR catalog is used because he was no longer a part of the partnership. They allege he has been acting illegally ever since in regard to how and what GNR has licensed, and they are basically telling him to cease and desist from here on out in terms of acting as a partner in the agreement he left. As said earlier, if they can prove this it is Axl, not slash/duff that turned their back on the partnership.

That's what I meant to say, thanks man!  

[questdex]

hopefully slash and duff win the suit...heres why

1)slash has said there are hundreds of hours of A++ pro shots form live shows, and he wanted to release those to the fans...as he also wanted to use that for live era...

2)we will get perfect quality dvds, instead of crappy mp3 recordings of old shows....they make maney, get get awesome live shows from people who can actually play, patience, ycmb, scow, ect. without messing them up.

3)well get to hear gnr music in future movies which is a hell of alot better than britney spears ect.

4) if axl wins well never hear anything,,,he'll keep it vaulted away til he dies.

[Will]

1)slash has said there are hundreds of hours of A++ pro shots form live shows, and he wanted to release those to the fans...as he also wanted to use that for live era...

Not saying I don't believe you, but do you have a link or scan where I could read that? Especially the part about him willing to release the videos to the fans. Thanx.

[St.heathen]

I really don't understand this idea of fans being against or fore one side.  Fucking grow up!  They are talented grown up musicians. This is not WWF wrestling lol.

They created the music together they were all essential - Izzy too - in creating a band that has still that rare  buzz about it. Even though so much time has been wasted.  It hasn't ruined the interest nor have the sales been harmed in anyway, the Greatest hits is solid proof of that.

To add to the debate i really don't see this as Slash and Duff wanting to re use old material in VR.  For one I don't see Scott Weiland as somebody who would do that.  And I would be suprised if they even thought of that as a reason.  

Someone mentioned a boycott on VR ? Yeh right!  Did you not see the affects of the GH boycott?  Go ahead it's you'r choice but it won't matter one bit.   If anyone here considers themselves a fan and doesn't get behind VR and likewise with CD then don;t really knwo why your here...

This is a sad state of affairs but to be fair; Axl can't just expect to retain all power and control and not do anything with it.  That's how we end up getting a weak GH.  My perseption of the situation is that the guys realised what lack of control they had during the GH case and thought ...it's about time we did something.

And I don't think it will have as dramatic   an effect on Axl's plans as people make out.  I can't imagine they are out to hurt him or damage him - this is not a film-yet lol  and they often show signs of loyalty towards Axl.  But it hasn't been a two way thing and i think that is what has driven them is Axl's ability to seemingly forget any loyalty thing with those guys.  

Whatever the out-come it won't directly effect CD.  It just depends how much Axl will let it effect his creation.  I am behind him just as much as i am behind VR.  I just want to see all these guys being creative and touring- just be active with their talents.  However a reunion has probably reached an all time low lol - might spark another covers album though ... lol   j/k

[LittleFly]

One thing that I wonder......

How many times have we heard that someone left, and then came back?  Is it possible that he wrote that letter and later was taken back into the Partnership?  Both Slash and Duff left after the '95 letter.  After the last one left, the partnership would be disbanded unless someone else held their shares, at least that's how I understand contract law. (No not a lawyer, but studied contract law as part of insurance studies )

I think they at least have to have a copy of that letter, if neither do, then their claim is harder to verify.

If Axl has anything showing him participating with the others cooperatively after that 12/31/95 date, then he could show that he was an accepted member of the Partnership.  In that case, he would be the sole holder of the Partnership and have rights to it.

I have no idea what documentation either side has, but I'm very interested in seeing that original agreement, Axl's letter, and any documentation that Axl can produce.

I think that Axl is probably gonna want to take them to court, to extend this whole thing as long as possible. He has all the time in the world (as far as we know), they have an album and tour in the works.

I hope Axl wins (Yes I suppose that makes me an 'Axl-luvr') or at least prevents them from gaining control of the back catalogue, if only cuz they let it go for so damn long.

[questdex]

will...I've talked to slash a few times in person, and his guitar tech adam...

also..it was said when Live Era came out..slash and duff wanted to use the hundreds of hours of pro shot live stuff for it instead of the already realease stuff frokm tokyo ect....

He also mentioned releasing those shows on dvd....

I dont have the link..this was few years ago...

I like axls voice and used to like his attitude...but hes been acting like a punk lately.

[St.heathen]

One more thing;  when this band released an album like Appetite for destruction, they meant every word on that album and that's the difference between them and the other hair metal bands.   How it has all turned out will always be the biggest shame in modern rock but it's the way it is.  

After this though, it would be nice to GNR + related people to be out of courts and on cd's and stages eh? lol

[Naupis]

Let me clarify to any who may not understand because I have seen this come up a few times.

Leaving the band and leaving the partnership........two entirely different things. One has no effect on the other. Just because D/S left the band does not mean they left the partnership. Axl handing in a written letter on the other hand that says he is resigning from the partnership effective 12/30/95 is leaving the partnership without leaving the band. The partnership, and not the band is the issue at hand. I hope that clarifies.

[privatereserve]

Let me clarify to any who may not understand because I have seen this come up a few times.

Leaving the band and leaving the partnership........two entirely different things. One has no effect on the other. Just because D/S left the band does not mean they left the partnership. Axl handing in a written letter on the other hand that says he is resigning from the partnership effective 12/30/95 is leaving the partnership without
leaving the band. The partnership, and not the band is the issue at hand. I hope that clarifies.


Ok Johnny Cochran.  You can spit as much shit as you want about this, but your not the attorney or anyone even involved in this case.  

[badapple81]

hopefully slash and duff win the suit...heres why

1)slash has said there are hundreds of hours of A++ pro shots form live shows, and he wanted to release those to the fans...as he also wanted to use that for live era...

2)we will get perfect quality dvds, instead of crappy mp3 recordings of old shows....they make maney, get get awesome live shows from people who can actually play, patience, ycmb, scow, ect. without messing them up.

3)well get to hear gnr music in future movies which is a hell of alot better than britney spears ect.

4) if axl wins well never hear anything,,,he'll keep it vaulted away til he dies.

I wouldn't mind hearing those raw Use Your Illusion tracks Slash keeps talking about that he has  

[LittleFly]

Ok Johnny Cochran.  You can spit as much shit as you want about this, but your not the attorney or anyone even involved in this case.  

Dude none of us are involved in the case, and the huge majority are not lawyers.  No need to get shitty about it  

I know I'm just interested in it because A- It's Axl in court, he's just as impressive there as he is on stage and B- it involves my favorite band.

Discussion is a wonderful thing, even if everyone doesn't necessarily agree  

[Naupis]

well privatereserve,

It doesn't take a rocket scientist or Johnnie Cochran to read a brief and figure out what is going on from there. You should go do it, its 17 pages long and provided at Celebrity Justice. Once you do that, you will see all of the aforementioned information provided to you, and then you can start to make conclusions based upon what is provided. Again we have been assuming hypothetically that they can provide the judge with the documents they claim they can. THerefore, we are assuming what a potential outcome would be if what they are saying is true. Doesn't take a whole lot of brain power to do so. You can keep getting on me all you want, but read that brief, because if its true Axl could potentially be in a world of hurt. All the mudslinging you do towards me isn't going to change that.

[privatereserve]

Naupis,

We've read only one side of the story, so lets wait and see what Axl has to say.  I'll bet any money he will come out swinging.

[badapple81]

Naupis,

We've read only one side of the story, so lets wait and see what Axl has to say.  I'll bet any money he will come out swinging.

Exactly.. I await what Axl has to say with interest.. just the one side of this story is already so complicated.

One question.. I havent had time to read through everything with detail.. should Slash and Duff win.. WHO will make the decisions on future past GNR material? The three of them, or just Slash and Duff?