boycott contraband

[Acquiesce]

So if Gary Glitter writes a kick ass record from his Thailand prison cell, you would buy it?

Doesn't an artist's reputation, credibility, and likeability play a huge roll in drawing consumers?

This coming from a person who blindly supports a musician who cannot keep a band together, cannot string together a tour, and cannot release an album. Let's not forget that this person has known to be abusive to fans (both physically and verbally), abusive to women, and has ripped off people he has worked with in the past. You sure do nothing but support model citizens.

I guess you're right, VR are destroy all their credibility by fighting for songs they helped create. They are just as horrible as that pedophile, Gary Glitter. Thank you for showing me the light.  

[killingvector]

So if Gary Glitter writes a kick ass record from his Thailand prison cell, you would buy it?

Doesn't an artist's reputation, credibility, and likeability play a huge roll in drawing consumers?

This coming from a person who blindly supports a musician who cannot keep a band together, cannot string together a tour, and cannot release an album. Let's not forget that this person has known to be abusive to fans (both physically and verbally), abusive to women, and has ripped off people he has worked with in the past. You sure do nothing but support model citizens.

I guess you're right, VR are destroy all their credibility by fighting for songs they helped create. They are just as horrible as that pedophile, Gary Glitter. Thank you for showing me the light.  

huh? I don't think you know how to read. Reread or try to read your previous post and my response and tell me what you missed.

Oh yes, I blindly support losers since I have selective amnesia. You sure are a perceptive bloat. Perhaps I can offer you some advice: get a brain, learn how to read and reason before replying to me again.

Your litany of axl abuses is quite thorough, but very few are fact. Since no one has spoken up about the tour and the album, we don't know exactly what is going on. It's easier to blame crazy axl as you have chosen to do. Even if he couldn't handle the pressure, why does this demonize him? He's obviously someone who suffers from depression and paranoia but this doesn't make him a bad person. Millions of people live with these problems every day. Does that make them bad people? I doubt seriously axl was wringing his hands, laughing at all the fans who were anxiously waitng for that philly show. The reason he didn't show was probably due to some physical and mental breakdown. Axl has a very fragile pscyhe.

But of course axl abuses women. Why? well he was sued by two ex's and of course a women has never tried to sue a past partner to get back at him for a fucked up relationship?!? A woman has never struck a man, cheated on a man, and fucked over their partner?!? Also, a woman has never cried rape to get back at an ex?!? Every civil allegation is a mirror of the truth?!?  Don't be so naive. Learn some facts before brandying about innuendo. No one knows the facts of the case and why it was settled. Not me, not you.

And oh yes, axl rips off and abuses those around him. Sure, right. Wasn't Axl the person who let Adler come back, gave him some of his publishing rights to come back, then was sued by said individual? But of course axl was doing the ripping off.

this all presupposes that slash and duff are angels too. They never had drug issues, bad relationships, committed adultery, or whatever. But I don't blame them for this behavior because there is a standard of behavior which which rockstars are allowed. As long as the actions are criminal, it's their lives. Let them screw it up if they will

this lawsuit  however is a cleverly constructed yet malicious, publicity driven attempt to add a clever endnote to the BTM documentary; an attempt to villify axl and explain why these guys have been away so long. Of course it has nothing to do with a pile of stank solo albums. It is an attempt to cover up the truth.  If they are legally right, then this issue should have been handled years ago. If they just discovered it now, then they should seek the required acknowledgement of their rights and move on. This is not in Slash and Duff's character though, they must seek millions of dollar to whom they feel  that they are owed.

[Dizzy]

Wasn't Axl the person who let Adler come back, gave him some of his publishing rights to come back, then was sued by said individual?

No this isn't correct.  Steven sued the entire band, not just Axl.  Furthermore, you're distorting two separate stories.  

Firstly, Steven demanded writing credit for AFD and GNRL because the rest of the band received it even on songs they didn't all write together.  For instance, "Think About You" was written solely by Izzy.  But if you read the writing credits on AFD, the entire band is credited.  Apparently, Steven was left out when the writing credits were originally formulated, because as Axl says "he didn't write one goddamn note".  But the rest of the band also didn't contribute to certain songs here and there (a la "Think About You") but they all got credit for them anyway.  So Steven's logic was the he should too, and that's a valid enough argument.

Secondly, Steven sued the band because they not only fired him, but deprived him of his publishing, playing, and merchandise royalties for the first two albums.  They just handed him about $2,000 and told him to get lost, like he never existed.  He sued them to get the money back that they owed him for every CD sold, every GNR t shirt sold, etc. and to regain the rights to future sales of said items and the like.  And obviously, he had a solid case, because the jury agreed with him and ruled in his favor.

[Mr_Brownstone16]

I have to admit...........I wouldn't come to these boards if killing vector and davegnr2k didnt' post here. Their posts are absolutely hilarious, especially when dave makes fun of slash's beer gut, and killing vector comes up with philosophical posts. Keep up the good work guys.

Can't wait to see VR in 2 weeks at 9:30 club

[tomass74]

Here's something for all you conspiracy theorists.  Maybe Dave is secretly a Velvet Revolver fan.  Knowing that many people on the board despise his relentless Axl-worship, he decides to use that to help promote the VR album.  People will buy the record just to spite his apparent boycott attempt.  Hmm...

WOAH, I never thought of that..

[tomass74]

So then I guess it's not possible for someone to come on the VR board and criticize these guys? We should all revel in their magnificance and masturbate to their every note?

such hypocrisy here. I remember seeing alot of you on the GnR board trashing that band left and right, posting threads that ripped the music and the man, yet you were allowed to set up discussion pieces. Dave comes here, rightfully criticizes the timing of their suit and what do you guys do? you trash HIM! and then say he brought it upon himself???

Some of you should take a whiff of what you're shoveling.

Seriously, you VR fans have to learn that Slash, Duff, Matt, Scott and the other guy are not the saviors of rock, perhaps bland rock, but that's for another thread. there will be people who don't like them.

Velvet Revolver is a new band. There is no reason to post here if you don't like the fucking band..People (myself included) would go to the GnR boards because there were always posts about the old members. Also because Guns N Roses at one time was my favorite band and Axl keeps dragging the name in the dirt. To tell you the truth when I first started posting I was happy to see Axl come back and supported him. It seemed as though he had changed. Turned out he is worse than ever...... If he wants to release shitty music under a different band name thats cool. Do it as GNR and there are problems..

[killingvector]

Thanks Dizzy for clearing that up. I was going by the Over the Top book by Putterford which carries Axl's description of the Adler suit which is ALOT different from the depiction you have given.

Tomass, is this a 'if you don't like it, get off the board' post? Now, i don't see you too much on the Guns boards so perhaps my next comment isn't directed toward you but if the anti nu GnR people refrain from slamming the new band in the vile, debasing manner with which they pen their responses then I will remove myself from this forum. But i would rather that these forums be open enough to empower the thoughts of both camps in a mature manner.

Now, next comment, If you find my posts so funny, i'm happy. I am also happy that you like VR. Go with it, I won't deprive anyone of their happiness. What I won't stand for is the senseless criticism and bashing of Mr. Rose and anyone who is actually looking forward to this lost album. There is quite a double standard here, some VR fans are quite cruel to the new band and its fans while any criticism of VR is met with 'get off the board' or worse comments that ooze with insult, viciousness, and bias. If nuGnR fans can take the criticism then VR fans should be stand up enough to take it maturely as well. Since all music is subjective, the spirit of the debate should bring us closer, but lawsuits, boycotts, and insults have divided the guns n roses community. And it has happened.

Just to prove that i am an upright fellow, I will buy (contra)band the first day it comes out and give an objective review on the music and not the men. I would hope that when the day comes for CD to be released (knock on wood), you all would do the same. Helll, it's alot better than a new Bizket CD.

[wildaxl]

I think we should all boycott VRs new album for their latest stunt to fuck over axl.
Just when you think slash or duff cant get any lower they do.

you might think slash & duff fucked over axl,but don't forget how many times axl fucked over you and his fans and you don't wanna talk about it,please stop lickin'
axl's butt,you've been doing that for 3 years now,what you should do is get ready to buy one hell of a good album coming up on june 4 instead of comin' here to post nonsense.            cheers

[tomass74]

I think we should all boycott VRs new album for their latest stunt to fuck over axl.
Just when you think slash or duff cant get any lower they do.

you might think slash & duff fucked over axl,but don't forget how many times axl fucked over you and his fans and you don't wanna talk about it,please stop lickin'
axl's butt,you've been doing that for 3 years now,what you should do is get ready to buy one hell of a good album coming up on june 4 instead of comin' here to post nonsense.            cheers

It's been atleast 4 years...

[Acquiesce]

killingvector, my point obviously went way over your head.  You're acting like this lawsuit has destroyed VR's credibility. I'm trying to point out that you have no problems with following someone else who has credibility issues yet you continually point out something that shouldn't have anything to do with Vr's credibility. I know neither band is perfect, but I don't understand how you can always give one the benefit of the doubt after all the disappointments but you dismiss the other for fighting for the songs they helped create. It makes you look silly.

[eNgIeS]

killingvector, my point obviously went way over your head.  You're acting like this lawsuit has destroyed VR's credibility. I'm trying to point out that you have no problems with following someone else who has credibility issues yet you continually point out something that shouldn't have anything to do with Vr's credibility. I know neither band is perfect, but I don't understand how you can always give one the benefit of the doubt after all the disappointments but you dismiss the other for fighting for the songs they helped create. It makes you look silly.

Exactly, I dont think it applies to just killing vector, there are a number of people here who need ask themselves the questions you just asked vector

[killingvector]

"killingvector, my point obviously went way over your head."

Honestly, there is nothing that you could write that would go over my head. Don't give yourself too much undeserved credit.

And yes, Slash and Duff's credibility has been damaged by this lawsuit, because of its timing and the damages it seeks. At least in my eyes.  I make distinctions between private lives and public lives; it's impossible to know what happens in one's private life exactly there judgements are pending. But this suit is very public and divisive. I really think they should have handled this suit differently.

[Acquiesce]

Not everything I mentioned was private, but that's not the point.  The point is you have no problem with giving Axl the benefit of the doubt, which is perfectly fine, but then you turn around and jump to your own conclusions about Velvet Revolver. It's hard to take anything you say seriously when you are so clearly biased.

Did you ever stop to think that just maybe Slash and Duff just want the rights to their songs? Did you ever stop to think that just maybe their accusations are true? I agree that the timing of their law suit is suspect, but we don't know the real story behind it so stop trying to pretend like you do know what is going on.

If the situation was reversed and Axl decided to sue them around the time CD was to be released, would you think that hurt his credibility and decide not to buy CD? Of course not. You just don't like the fact that your hero is being sued and decided that the plantiffs must be bad people for suing him.

[night_attacker]

I would like to buy the fuckin' album, in my oppinion the boycott of the album was absolutely childish ...

I'm new here

[Mr Cowbell ?]

I like both VR and GnR. Slash and Duff are smart. They seen what sueing Geffen did for the Greatest Hits CD. It gave the cd tons of free publicity. Even though it didnt hit #1 in the states it still sold a lot, not to mention how it sold throughout the world, when most GnR true fans already had all the songs (except SFTD).

Slash and Duff now need to keep they argueing and lawsuit fresh and in the news. It only helps hype their new CD and in return boost sales.

Just like how Scott keeps his name in the news.  Nothing is better then free publicity.

We can just hope VR sells very well for Rock's Sake and For Slash's sake, because its depressing to see Rap dominate the charts.

[Booker Floyd]

Slash and Duff now need to keep they argueing and lawsuit fresh and in the news. It only helps hype their new CD and in return boost sales.

What publicity has this gotten them?  A small MTV.com news brief and some message board buzz?  Theyve done nothing to publicize this case, so theres no reason to believe that publicity was in any their motivation.

[mortismurphy]

Gary Glitter looked at  Child Porn which  uses and abuses innocent children.
Slash and Duff are declaring a lawsuit over a band and songwriting credits they were 'involved' in.
Bit of a differance
Your attemps to potray Slash and  Duff as the manson family are lame.

Face facts, they are many fans who would prefer the name 'Guns N' Roses' to rest in Slash's palm, these are the same fans who see this lawsuit as a just andfair procedure.

Let me answer this, its easy.
Why is it that I am an idiot for making a post like this on a VR board, yet there are tons of people on the gnr board that are always bashing Axl and the new band?
People like you crack me up, can you say hypocrite?

I find it funny that all the Axl bashers and new gnr hates love the anti axl and anti new gnr theads yet the second there is a negative thing said about slash or vr they do off the deep end.

I am not even the biggest Slash fan ,  I prefer Duff.
Were you not the same person who was sucking Bucketheads balls the last few years ago?
''Buckethead blows slash away''
Be done with you

[killingvector]

"Gary Glitter looked at  Child Porn which  uses and abuses innocent children.
Slash and Duff are declaring a lawsuit over a band and songwriting credits they were 'involved' in.
Bit of a differance
Your attemps to potray Slash and  Duff as the manson family are lame. "

You're an idiot.

I wasn't comparing slash and duff to Glitter or the Manson family. The question was whether an artist's reputation can affect  whether people buy the albums. I gave Glitter as an extreme example. Never have i equated what Slash and Duff are doing to child pornography. Only someone with a swiss cheese brain would mix up the two.

I am not biased. You are condeming axl based on innuendo. What happened in Philly? Do you have any first hand account of why he didn't show up? did he have a breakdown or just didn't show up? NO ONE KNOWS. DON'T ASSUME. what happened during the Everly-Seymour court case? what was proven? No? Personal lives are personal, very few are given the access to what happens behind closed doors. Are there rational explanations to these events? I don't know and really don't care. It's not my business.

What does bother me is when one side tries to sabotage the other. This lawsuit may have merit, i admit that; after one read, i was quite concerned for axl's livelihood. It looks really bad for him. What I don't appreciate is the timing of the suit and the excessive damages sought for transgressions in which slash and duff were ignorant of their rights. Don't reward ignorance. If they deserve the rights, fine, that is ok with me. But they should have decided to do this quietly, well outside of the publicity machine driving VR now.

As i said earlier, I will buy the VR album. I would done it if i hadn't read the brief; but in lieu of that, I see a case although their aim for axl's juggular is quite vindicative. But that's me.

If you don't agree...fine. I respect that. But I do not respect people laughing, insulting, and berating me and others for their opinions. this is a messageboard, a place for mature discussion. Leave the childishness at home.

[Booker Floyd]

I am not biased. You are condeming axl based on innuendo. What happened in Philly? Do you have any first hand account of why he didn't show up? did he have a breakdown or just didn't show up? NO ONE KNOWS. DON'T ASSUME.

You mean like assuming that the timing of this case has anything to do with publicity...?  

What does bother me is when one side tries to sabotage the other. This lawsuit may have merit, i admit that; after one read, i was quite concerned for axl's livelihood. It looks really bad for him.

 

If they deserve the rights, fine, that is ok with me. But they should have decided to do this quietly, well outside of the publicity machine driving VR now.

Youre the one constantly talking about it...they havent said one word.

Regardless, assuming they do deserve the rights, they should wait even longer so that it doesnt appear to simple-minded, conclusion-jumping conspiracy theorists that theyre doing it for publicity?  Sounds like some people are a little out of touch with reality...

If you don't agree...fine. I respect that. But I do not respect people laughing, insulting, and berating me and others for their opinions. this is a messageboard, a place for mature discussion. Leave the childishness at home.

You're an idiot.

 

[Walapino]

Agh I only want Duff and Slash to win the lawsuit and maybe they will release some cool DVDs or unreleased tracks or whatever. They will use the old catalog way better than Axl cuz he seems so against giving us cool shit to enjoy.