Slash & Duff to sue Axl!

[Doc Emmett Brown]

When you listen to Tom Petty's "Into The Great Wide Open", have W. Axl Rose in mind. Tom Petty sang with him a couple of times in 1989 and I think he sensed that Axl was about to lose it all.

Mark, you can read minds.. mine that is.  I always think of Axl when I listen to that song!

"The sky was the limit"...

As someone mentioned earlier, this is all very sad.  That is my overwhelming feeling. Talk about not healing old wounds.

p.s. What you said about Petty sensing the future - that's very interesting.  I love his lyrics and I think he was able to feel things like that.

[killingvector]

of course, MarkNRoses is the guy who screamed and pouted when axl did not show up for his show at Philly. Sorry you lost money over that but time to heal, or is it heel? Get over it and don't psychoanalyze people here over your own personal demons.  I see you still impersonate axl at talent competitions. Still don't believe in the guy?

Evidently he is directing his perception of his feelings over to the rest of us. Not the most objective person.

Mark, Axl lost ya in Philly. Some of us are still hanging on.

[marknroses]

of course, MarkNRoses is the guy who screamed and pouted when axl did not show up for his show at Philly. Sorry you lost money over that but time to heal, or is it heel? Get over it and don't psychoanalyze people here over your own personal demons.  I see you still impersonate axl at talent competitions. Still don't believe in the guy?

Evidently he is directing his perception of his feelings over to the rest of us. Not the most objective person.

Mark, Axl lost ya in Philly. Some of us are still hanging on.

Wat are U talking about???
I don't live in Philly, I live in Boston. I saw the nuGNR in Boston and I only liked the new songs they played that nite, not when they tried living up to past glories.
Go to the "Tour Section" and the "Boston 12/2/2002" post and you will find my long review there (I tend to write a lot when it comes to GNR.

I was only trying to say that the Philly fans are going to get a treat later this month because not only will a great rock band show up to play, but they have new material that sounds fun and great and that they're really excited about sharing with their fans. Meanwhile, Axl didn't seem to thrilled on sharing any of his new material during the CD 2002 tour, and that is the main reason why that tour was cancelled (and to which I am thankful for)  

I'm sorry for arousing any false accusation from others on myself. I didn't know I could hit so many nerves in a Axlover's body with one post.
 
Mark N' Revolverz

[AxlVedder]

I only read upto page 6 or so and  thought entered my mind. If anyone else brought this up, just let me know, don't blast me for it.

first this is from what I have read in the past, and on these posts:

The law suit is over the SONGS, not name of the band.

Slash and Duff feel they should have a say in how the songs are used.

They were paid for the rights to use the name, and the back catalog, by W. Axl Rose.

Axl won't let the songs be used in some movies.

Slash and Duff feel cheated over this.

Slash and Duff LEFT the band. Not Axl firing them, I feel this point is very important.

Okay, now onto my feelings.

Slash and Duff may have helped write the music, but it was Axl Rose who wrote most of the lyrics.

Is it possible that Axl, if in the position, can use this to his advantage, stating he does not want his LYRICS used? That is if he comes out on the losing end.

I have a feeling Axl's side holds more water, based just off the fact that he paid money for the songs.

Keep in mind that I'm a huge Axl supporter, but that doesn't mean I hate Slash. I think this move is gutless, and I don't agree with it, but you can't just be anti-Slash becuase of it. Like a poster said earlier, who really knows the entire story. I know a ridiculous amount about the band, like most gunners here, but its mostly based off of what I have read, I have never sat down with either side, I have only heard through the media. We all know the media to not all be truthful. Who knows though. Maybe they have a case, or maybe Axl Rose will skate by this one.

I for one don't want to see VR's side victorious, I want Axl to come out on top.

So my point about the songs is this:

Should each member be entitled to what he CONTRIBUTED?
Can Slash reape benefits of Axl's lyrics, and Axl of Slash's riffs and solos?

Also with that aside, how can there be a case if Axl legally BOUGHT GNR?


Just my two cents.

[PeterCoffin]

To the people out there who still believe in Axl and CD, you are all sick as well.

There are a lot of people on here that truly all-out believe in CD - I don't regard any of them as sick. Misinformed, maybe. Sick, no.

Me? I think the album will eventually come out someday, and when it does, I'll probably get it. No big whoop either way anymore for me. VR is damn cool, although this lawsuit is really bullshit. I don't like VR's hype machine... they are just turning the cranks on an old hype machine that has been off for quite a while. But I can't say it's making me want their album or to see them live any less. It's a rock band that is GOOD.

At the end of the day, it's just music. People who make something this big out of it are the real sickies (In my opinion, this would make both Axl and Slash sick; really guys - this is horse shit). What normal person really gives a fuck? And if your answer is "I DO! I DO! I DO!" Maybe it's time to re-evaluate how important two guys you don't even know named Axl and Slash are to you.

[Booker Floyd]

Axl won't let the songs be used in some movies.

Slash and Duff feel cheated over this.

Is it possible that its not even about whether they wanted the songs in the movies or not, but rather the principal that they werent even consulted?  Their argumemt is that Axl doesnt have controlling interest in the songs that they all wrote.  None of us know if this is true or not, nor do we know what provoked the lawsuit and why its happening now, so to jump to all of these conclusions is silly.    

[the dirt]

Their argumemt is that Axl doesnt have controlling interest in the songs that they all wrote.

That's it right there, period. I believe that Axl probably does.

Principles were thrown out the window a long time ago. This is just business, really.
I don't believe that Slash et al understood all the ramifications that went along with Axl's ownership of the name...

[killingvector]

"Wat are U talking about???
I don't live in Philly, I live in Boston. I saw the nuGNR in Boston and I only liked the new songs they played that nite, not when they tried living up to past glories.
Go to the "Tour Section" and the "Boston 12/2/2002" post and you will find my long review there (I tend to write a lot when it comes to GNR."

i have to go back and read it again then because i remember you being less than complimentary about the whole situation.

[charl!edontsurf]

How about... nobody cares.  

[Dizzy]

I kind of actually have respected Axl's decisions not to let just anybody use their songs.  

Don't you get it?  Axl was going to let the movie use the song, he just was going to let them use some crappy version re-recorded by the new band so that Slash, Duff and co wouldn't receive any royalties for songs THEY HELPED WRITE.  In other words, Axl wanted to stab them both in the back.

Axl has a long track record of fucking people over, so I hope they sue his ass off.

[Izzy]

I kind of actually have respected Axl's decisions not to let just anybody use their songs.  

Don't you get it?  Axl was going to let the movie use the song, he just was going to let them use some crappy version re-recorded by the new band so that Slash, Duff and co wouldn't receive any royalties for songs THEY HELPED WRITE.  In other words, Axl wanted to stab them both in the back.

Axl has a long track record of fucking people over, so I hope they sue his ass off.

Don't u think thats a bit negative?

Even if Axl did want to re-record the songs don't u think its more likely he was doing that because he wanted to experiment and not because he wanted to screw Slash out of a few dollars?

I don't think he's that petty....

[killingvector]

dizzy, that was for only the BlackHawk Down OST and he wanted to use it as vehicle for the new band. I doubt very much that he consciously said outloud that he wanted to  screw the other guys of their monies. for the other cases, he simply refused to use the songs. I 'm glad he did because althougth Old School was pretty good, I don't need to hear WTTJ or PC used in every other film like Seger's Like a Rock or that awful "I get knocked down" garbage. Good for axl for not selling out.

yeah, Mark i must have had you confused with tomass. My apologies sir.

[D]

slash and duff are whores!!!!!!

ive always respected axl for sticking to his guns whether he is right or wrong and he has never really sold out in myopinion

slash and duff would have gnr like Kiss if they could help it, anything to make money

true they should have a say in music they helped create but they are looking like greedy bastards in my eyes

this is like the remaining members of the doors going on tour and whoring out their legacy to make a few bucks when everyone knows the doors was "jim morrison"

its not the same axl playing the old songs, it would be different if axl fired slash, if he fired duff, or if slash or duff had died but they walked away on their own decisions

they signed their rights away, so now they cant be bitching cause they regret it

they have a new band, they need to concentrate on making velvet revolver something, cause what they dont realize is the majority know Axl Rose, slash is known also but nowhere the scale axl is, and no one knows duff he plays bass for fucksake

so what they are gonna do is alienate fans who were casually interested in VR they are gonna take axls side and VR wont live up to any expectation

i like the old band but i make no bones about my loyalty to axl

why didnt they sue him 8 years ago? why now? they want publicity for their velvet revolver shit, if not they wouldve done this years ago

[Captain Obvious]

Anyone else have any questions about a possible reunion? Didn't think so.



Tell me this however. Even if Slash and Duff did have some control of the GnR name,  Rose could still be against the use of the songs, in which case, they would not be able to do anything since he is still heavily responsible for these hits. You can't sue your bandmate for not wanting to release something that he had a major part in.  

[St.heathen]

Thing is right;

Axl, SLash and Duff have inspired me so so much.  I love their music and the way it excites me.  Buying the old shows on bootlegs and seeing them performing their guts out fuels me even more.
I buy stuff that's released because i am interested because i like it and i want it, has nothing to do with any fucker else.

However it does not give me or you the right to have as strong opinions as i have read on some of the posts here.  I don't know about you, but i have seen and heard enough stuff of theirs, read enough interviews and have even met Slash. These are cool fucking talented guys - all of them!  

What has really gone on between them all, we will probably never know the full story.  One thing i have to say in the Slash and Duff's defence is their strength is that they have moved on with their lives, they have wives and kids.  Have seen the world, have listened and met fans and seen audience' reaction to what they created with Guns.  And it must rip them up when you consider how close they all were and how some how during the egos, drugs and chaos of touring they just lost touch with Axl and you can sense that they do feel a bit gutted they have strong emotional ties GN'R and Axl.   Unfortunatly Axl doesn't seem to have that emotional loyalty or sense of loss.  

I haven't read or heard all the latest interviews but I listened to the Bruce Dickenson one a couple of weeks back and basically; i got the sense that what he was really asking them was What the hell happened? Why did you let all this happen ? Why didn't you guys have more control over the situation?  And they were like we don't really have good answers lol  you know ? it was like a hangover moment .

And maybe now they have all sobered up and have serious responsibilities they are probably realising, fuck what a mess and are probably fed up of talking for Axl and realise maybe they should not just continue to let things go they want to stand up for themselves, and by rights they should.  

If you or I were in the same position we would all do the same and if you say otherwise you'r fucking lieing lol  Money is not the be all and end all. But i feel confident from what i know that these guys are not just about money.  Believe me there are so many ways they could have drained on the GNR name in the last 10 years but have not- think about it.  

I love these guys and i love Axl. The truth is we are all here writing in because of what these guys created together. So stop fucking slagging them all off  you have no right to. You can only judge if you know the full story and unless you are them you don't!
 

[privatereserve]

Maybe Sla$h needs to pay for his medical bills.  I don't know if you remember this post but I was down on sunset one evening having a few drinks and these nurses I met were there.  I asked them if any celebs come in.  They told me Sla$h is in there all the time.    I said for what?  They said OD all the time.  No BS.  
This just goes to show you whats holding Axl back.  Remember Axl said their are alot of legal issues going on that he can't talk about.  Well heres part of it.  This is just my opinion but all the Ex members are leeches.  They keep saying they don't care, but when it comes down to it, they do care and won't let GNR go and on top of that their album is coming out soon and either if they win or don't it gets their names in the papers right before their release of Velvet Revolver.  Think about it people.  At least AXL ROSE isn't a sellout.  Slash and Duff doing a week ass peformance of Paradise City on Jimmy Kimmel.  Come on.  Slash and Duff are just attention whores to promote their album.  If they have good case why didn't they bring this up years ago.  Get over it Sla$h and Duff its over and you're not part of GNR anymore.  God bless Axl Rose

[K-Rock]

Smells like a publicity stunt to me.  Contraband is due to be released in 1 month and this lawsuit helps to connect Velvet Revolver to the old GNR classics.

The sharks (lawyers/liers) love these guys.

[D]

any one band nulling any deal can kill any kind of music deal

if one member doesnt agree for a song to be used then it cant be used, its that simple

if we all have equal share if one member says no, then the deal is dead

same as slash and duff, if axl wanted to use a song in  a movie they'd have to approve

but of course im sure slash and duff wouldnt care a bit as long as they were makin money

[Dizzy]

slash and duff would have gnr like Kiss if they could help it, anything to make money

Fucking hypocrite.  Axl Rose (1/5 of Guns N Roses) is the one using the GNR name, so don't point the finger at Slash and Duff and state that they are the ones who would hog the GNR name.

true they should have a say in music they helped create but they are looking like greedy bastards in my eyes

Contradiction.  You say they should have a say in the music, but then say they're greedy because they fight for a say in it.

this is like the remaining members of the doors going on tour and whoring out their legacy to make a few bucks when everyone knows the doors was "jim morrison"

Irrelevant and an ineffectual analogy anyway, because it's not the same scenario.

they signed their rights away, so now they cant be bitching cause they regret it

They did NOT sign away their rights to the songs.  That is what they're fighting for, not the GNR name.

they have a new band, they need to concentrate on making velvet revolver something, cause what they dont realize is the majority know Axl Rose, slash is known also but nowhere the scale axl is

Untrue.  Somebody on this board once went into some big chatroom that was unrelated to any type of music and asked people what they thought of when they heard the name Guns N Roses.  The overwhelming majority said "Axl and Slash".

so what they are gonna do is alienate fans who were casually interested in VR they are gonna take axls side and VR wont live up to any expectation

A ridiculous assumption.

i like the old band but i make no bones about my loyalty to axl

And that says it all.

why didnt they sue him 8 years ago?

Maybe because Axl wasn't attempting to fuck them out of royalties eight years ago.

Even if Axl did want to re-record the songs don't u think its more likely he was doing that because he wanted to experiment and not because he wanted to screw Slash out of a few dollars?

No.  If Axl wanted to experiment, he could release one of his new songs on a soundtrack, a la "Oh My God", rather than re-recording an old song which he know damn well would deny the former members their royalties.  And even if he truly wanted to re-record an old song, he could very easily ask Slash's and Duff's permission and pay them a certain amount for it.  But he didn't, that's the point.  Axl is an intelligent man, he knows damn good and well that re-recording the songs would result in the denial of royalties to the former members who helped write the songs.

[mega_music]

In the latest weeks issue of Radio and Rercords they had an interview with Duff. In the interview Duff goes on to say he was pulling for Axl in 02 and "i've moved way beyond that (GNR) and that was a long time ago for me."

Point is They (Slash,Duff) do all these interviews saying how they have moved past the guns n roses days. But then they go file this bullshit lawsuit. What the fuck! This could of been done 5 years ago but they know they cant sell a fucking copy of Contraband unless it has a GNR connection to sell it. From what I have heard its sounds ok nothing awesome. The guitar work is great but the lyrics are terrible. Weiland cant sing and I cant stand the sound of his coked-up voice.

Another point is Slash,Duff,Gilby,Matt all walked away from GNR. Its like quiting a job and showing back up 10 years later and saying hey boss you owe me some money. Whats the boss going to say Fuck You!!! You quit!!

I support Velvet Revolver but after this move to try to pry some money from Axl I may have to just download the album and fuck VR out of some money.. Maybe then they will take me to court??

Another possible reason could be they need the money to help Weiland pay off drug debts. Stupid crack head!!

Thanks for calling me crazy!!!!!!! But at least I believe