Slash & Duff to sue Axl!

[Naupis]

You're wrong, 5 individuals own those songs. They were written under the GNR banner, but in terms of who actually owns the physical songs themselves, the 5 of them do. Which is why the issue of whether Axl has veto power or not is beign sued over. A judge may potentially rule that Axl would have to get a majority to veto usage from here on out because again, he doesn't own the songs. He owns the GNR name. Slash/Duff/Izzy/Steve/Axl own those songs, even the most ardent Axl supporters can't prove that fact otherwise. The issue is whether Axl still has veto power if a majority feels otherwise about something than he does, and that is what a judge will rule on.

[kockstar99]

Yes and they receive royalties for those songs. But the person with the rights to do what every they want with those songs is Axl, and if he did so then they would receive royalties for their hard work.

exactly.....  

[Naupis]

If it is true that GNR owns those songs and can use them anyway they want, then why couldn't Axl put WTTJ on BHD without Slash and Duff signing off on it? Because he does not have autonomous control of the GNR catalog for anything he wants to use it for. He still needs them to sign of on something. That just blows your whole theory up in smoke that he can do whatever he wants strictly because he owns the name.

[Timothy]

Then why could slash and Duff Just rerecord those songs to use as they want?

[kockstar99]

You're wrong,

no you are...

5 individuals own those songs.

no they dont.. they are cowriters of the songs..  Geffen/Universal own the songs and the entire back catalog... thats why we have the Greatest hits...

They were written under the GNR banner,

and thats why Axl Rose can put them on moives with the GnR name....coz he is GnR and the others quit..

but in terms of who actually owns the physical songs themselves, the 5 of them do.

no Geffen/Universal own those songs...

Which is why the issue of whether Axl has veto power or not is beign sued over.

no hes being sued for VR publicity.... its not about the songs or the movies... if it was it would have been done when the offers for those old movies came around...

A judge may potentially rule that Axl would have to get a majority to veto usage from here on out because again,

no he wont coz Guns n Roses is Axl Roses band...

he doesn't own the songs.

no Geffen and Universal do...

He owns the GNR name.

who the songs are copyrighted to... thats why anything with the Guns n Roses name on it gets his final say...

Slash/Duff/Izzy/Steve/Axl own those songs,

no they dont... Geffen/Universal own those songs..
Thats why we have Greatest Hits...

even the most ardent Axl supporters can't prove that fact otherwise.

I think i just did...

The issue is whether Axl still has veto power if a majority feels otherwise about something than he does, and that is what a judge will rule on.

no the issue is its a gutless and chicken shit way to start a public fued... They know they can never win this...

[kockstar99]

If it is true that GNR owns those songs and can use them anyway they want, then why couldn't Axl put WTTJ on BHD without Slash and Duff signing off on it?

because he wanted to re record the song.. and cheat them out of thier royalties... they would have gotten royalties for co writing but not for performing..

Because he does not have autonomous control of the GNR catalog for anything he wants to use it for.

no Geffen/Universal do... Thats why we have Greatest Hits Cd....

He still needs them to sign of on something.

no he doesnt... he doesnt need them for anything unless they played on it...

That just blows your whole theory up in smoke that he can do whatever he wants strictly because he owns the name.

Its not a theory.. Geffen/Universal own the back catalog.. This is not about the back catalog its about use of releasing music under the GnR name...

only Axl or Geffen/Universal can do that...

but its really about promotion for VR.... imo...

[Death Cube K]

Great, another lawsuit. Very "rock n roll". With this pace, dont expect Chinese Democracy for another 5 years.

And damnit. An incident like Black Hawk Down. Axl wanted a new version. The old guys didnt. It was all messed up.

And the people that gets hurt are us, the fucking fans. I would have absolutely loved a new version of Welcome to Jungle because it would have been so incredibly fascinating to hear a new version of it. Pure and simple. Forget the "messing with the songs" part, this is for entertainment and I would kill to hear a new version.

But these guys..they are like monsters in a playground. They only think of their own interests and forgets that it's the fans that gets hurt and most importantly, have brought them to the place where they all are, if its in VR or GNR. Its irrelevant.

I understand the VR's guys attutide, but would they please just leave it alone for now. I for one don't want more of this crap. I want rock n roll and Im satisfied with two bands of this magnitude. I mean, it's like the cold war, just in a smaller form and version and guess who's getting fucked up the ass because of it!

[2NaFish]

the timing of VR's new album and this lawsuit damning Axl as evil yet again is awfully coincidental.

The outcome of the case isn't what really interests me - i'd like to know why Slash and Duff decided to file this now rather than when all these things happened. It's been like 5 or 6 years since BHD was released - nevermind when it was made.

[Evil Ash]

HEY
READ THIS!!!

a friend of mine told me his theory on this case, it makes a lot of sence!


Slash and Duff are planning on playing GnR covers with Velvet Revolver, that's a fact!
But what if they plan to release every concert (like the pixies are doing), then it's gonna cost them a lot of money to uncle Axl...
With this, they might wanna share the rights to the songs!


think about it

[younggunner]

the timing of VR's new album and this lawsuit damning Axl as evil yet again is awfully coincidental.

The outcome of the case isn't what really interests me - i'd like to know why Slash and Duff decided to file this now rather than when all these things happened. It's been like 5 or 6 years since BHD was released - nevermind when it was made.

Its very simple 2na....they are pulling out all the tricks to promote this new album. and for that they are being pussies. FOr that i have lost a lot of repsect for them.

I dont mind them doing this but why now? what happend from 98-2003? WHy not the urge or desire to do it then? Fukin pussies. They have said countless times how they wanted to put gnr behind them...bullshit....

[insupportofaxl]

Sounds like Slash, Duff and the rest of VR need some quick cash to move forward in touring.

I'll laugh when the VR tour fails.

What goes around comes around.  

[jarmo]

Izzy and Steven aren't suing Axl, is it because they were left/were fired in 1991/1990?



/jarmo

[Doc Emmett Brown]

they might wanna share the rights to the songs!

I thought they already do... That's why Axl was not allowed to re-record SCOM or WTTJ for movies...  Instead we had that dinky Sheryl Crow version...

I wish I could get the legal facts straight there!  

Do the ex-Gunners get royalties from the songs?   They may not have control of the GN'R name, but they have some say in how the songs are used.

Steven Adler sued.  He won.   To the tune of several millions I believe.    He obviously has no control of the GNR name, but he did get his deserved money.

I wonder how the judge will respond this time around.

[Doc Emmett Brown]

Izzy and Steven aren't suing Axl, is it because they were left/were fired in 1991/1990?
/jarmo

Steven already got his money, correct?  I dont know about Izzy - he just walked away from it all.   Does he get royalties from the songs?

If he were to join the suit with Slash & Duff, I think they would have a stronger case.

[providman]

You Axl people should be thanking Slash & Duff for this lawsuit because it give you all the opportunity to do what you all do best: cry like the big crybaby pussies that you've all become. This one's for you, younggunner

This one's for you kockstar:

This one's for you killingvector:

This one's for you Eva:

This one's for you Popmusic:

It's like the more success VR have & the deeper into the shitter Axl & his career go, the more pathetic you Axl people get, & I, for one, am laughing my ass off reading these sorry attempts to somehow try to minimize the opposite direction both groups are heading in.

Everyone, one more time:

[younggunner]

Its good because it shows how much of the liars that they really are. Its shows that Axl is telling the truth when he talks about them.

All of these years Slash and duff, particularly slash have told us about how he has just wants to move on from gnr and how he could give two shits about the situation.

All of these years- lets say from 98-2003 slash and duff had had the oppurtunity to go to court with axl over this issue. Insead they told us the opposite and that they could carless. They kept telling us how much of rebels they are and tru rnr's.

I have no problem with them going to court but the problem is the timing. Why now? Its very simple. Contraband come to mind?

All of this bullshit along with BTM proves to me that Axl doesnt lie when he talks about the past and th eold members. Whether he is right or wrong is irrelevant. The fact that his side of the story seems to always match up with what he says and the actions of the members....

this truly is a pathetic move by vr....


This is from Pdj79 from newgnr.com. He posted this and it is an excellent post and so i thought it should be shared because its so true....

Snore. I am surprised they didn't do this a long time ago. I mean, seriously, Old School is like the newest movie on that list and it came out last year. I tell you, this is an obvious ploy to get VR's name in the legit press these days. First they join in with Axl over GH and the footnote in each story always mentioned something to the effect of "Duff and Slash are currently promoting the upcoming release of Velvet Revolver's debut RCA album, Contraband, due in stores on June 8th. Axl has spent the last 7 years and $13-million working on the still unreleased Chinese Democracy, which has no tentative release date planned for 2004." Seriously, anything to drum up press about the new band and to drag Axl's project into the mud is fair game for them. I am not one of these typical "Axl can do no wrong" fans who thinks that Axl is just getting the short end of the stick...far from it. I just find it extremely convenient that NOW, after all this time (Black Hawk Down came out in what, 2001?), the ex-members want to sue Axl for cheating them out of royalties, and its just a mere coincidence that this is all happening right around the time their NEW album is about to come out. This is going to be reported in everything from Celebrity Justice to Rolling Stone....all with the afore-mentioned footnote. I won't go so far as boycotting the album, but I will say something to the effect that this was a crappy move to make as I am getting thrown out from the meet and greet area after one of their shows. Its all about the timing that set off this tirade. Pathetic move.

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[DazRose85]

HEY
READ THIS!!!

a friend of mine told me his theory on this case, it makes a lot of sence!


Slash and Duff are planning on playing GnR covers with Velvet Revolver, that's a fact!
But what if they plan to release every concert (like the pixies are doing), then it's gonna cost them a lot of money to uncle Axl...
With this, they might wanna share the rights to the songs!


think about it

Good point. Maybe why the GN'R "Live In Las Vegas 2001" DVD never came out.

[slashedguns]

I really cant believe you guys. You dont think these guys deserve income from their lifes work? Your fucking joking. Most you guys are so naive,how dare someone challenge the all mighty Axl. Forfucks sake,its business. You guys would do the same thin and you know it. I hope Izzy and Steve sue him too for their share

[Timothy]

I really cant believe you guys. You dont think these guys deserve income from their lifes work? Your fucking joking. Most you guys are so naive,how dare someone challenge the all mighty Axl. Forfucks sake,its business. You guys would do the same thin and you know it. I hope Izzy and Steve sue him too for their share

they are getting paid for their lives work , their suing cause Axl didn?t let some movies use some songs that would have made money for both parties

[2NaFish]

yes, but the public won't read that. They'll pick up NME or Q or whatever and it'll say "Velvet Revolver members Slash and Duff are sueing their ex-band member Axl Rose for loss of possible earnings. They claim the reclusive frontman made it impossible to earn a living from their music by not allowing them to put songs onto movie soundtracks. VR's new album Contraband is out soo. Still no news on Chinese Democracy"

So in the end Slash and Duff are portrayed as helpless victims, and they get a nice plug for their album and they also get a dig in at Axl.