GN'R Behind THe Music is supposedly being produced.

[Naupis]

I guess the more I think about it the more I don't see what the big deal is because if Axl really is GNR the way everyone seems to think he is, and if his current incarnation of GNR is truly GNR, then what is the big deal/threat about the old guys describing their experiences in GNR. I mean what can they really say that hasn't been said that would hurt the reputation/credibility of the current GNR anymore than has already been done. If anything, it will remind people that GNR still exists in some way shape or form and didn't die when slash/duff left the band for those who may have forgotten, which can only be a good thing. Of course it would be great for Axl to be on the show to defend himself and his actions, but he would then have to answer why we have no album and the tours and other things, but there is a better chance of the pope converting to judaism than there is of us ever getting a straight answer on those questions. So I totally see why he will never do one of those shows.

[Thorned Rose]

Yes there will be one... no Axl will not be in it.

Yes they can do one without him legally as it portrays to the old name and nothing into his new band.

Axl Rose will be one of those "Axl didn't agree to be interviewed and was unavailible" people like Alec Jon Such in Bon Jovi.

[Naupis]

Can we all just accept this is happening, just like the Greatest Hits did, and no amount of legal rankling from Team Axl is going to stop it. If we don't like GNR BTM without Axl, we have one person to blame.

[POPmetal]

They are using the name to promote themselves because there is somewhat of a GNR revival going on and they want to re-connect with the public that they were the ones who wrote and played those songs that are once again popular. Then people might once again get interested in their new band, and buy their stuff. I know you know that but I figured I would just throw it out there. Frankly I think its great at least someone is trying to use the GNR franchise for something productive because God knows Axl either doesn't know or has forgot how to do so. The name carries alot of clout, they want to attach their names to it for the same reason Axl insists on using it, that it is recognizable and has a built in fan base. I mean they did have their name on everything GNr has ever released short of Oh My God, so can you blame them for wanting to remind people it was them who played on all those classic songs while promoting their new stuff at the same time? A smart business man would do so, we just lose site of the fact that is what normal people do to actually promote an album because in GNR land we don't have a chance to see things like promotion for album releases.

They shouldn't have quit the band if they wanted to continue using the name. And while I think Slither rocks, they sound like STP, so they are just fooling people by using the GN'R name to promote it.
It's sleazy.

[Falcon]

I was really hoping this would delve into the aspects of NEW GNR with interviews from todays players as well as taking a look back to explore
the circumstances which led to the break up of the old band.  Obviously not focusing on everything post '96, but at least a good look from all sides.  It seems as though that's not the case.

I understand that the history of Guns is still an interesting tale, especially with the GH package selling well so I can't blame VH1 for going this route, It'll make for good ratings.

An educated guess would say invitations for interviews were sent out to Axl and company but declined so its more or less their own fault if the story isn't told from their perspective.  

I have no problem with whomever was interviewed or takes part I just would have rather seen full participation and a look into the future and some answers concerning the formation and activity of the new band.

Personal feeings aside, this seems like another genious move for VR and Co., capitalizing on the success of the GH package with the telling of the early days of GNR then moving directly into the documentary of the formation of VR.

Brilliant move on for sure..

[SINSHINE]

Although Axl and Izzy have been left off the list of those participating in BTM, that doesn't mean that they may turn around and suddenly agree to an interview for the show before it airs...and you know VH1 will put the brakes on it if Axl finally decides to participate.

In fact, Axl may do just that. If Slash and Duff want to play games to promote their band by using the glory stories of days past, Axl may agree to an interview the week before it airs which will push the air date back, back, back until maybe late summer or early fall...right in time for Chinese Democracy. I know they bumped the Aerosmith BTM a month or so due to the fact the band wanted to contribute more footage of their then current tour.

Another thought...as this BTM is said (from Blabbermouth remember) to focus on the early days, perhaps there are plans for a two part BTM, the old and the new, where Axl's new line up and album are explained and his comments on the opinions expressed in the first installment are revealed.

Who knows? Just speculating here  

[Voodoochild]

I don't think Axl would agree to an interview to promote VR with the GNR name.  

[SLCPUNK]

Why use the gnr name to promote another band.

thats gay.

But that's exactly what Axl did.

Exactly. Axl did and does (when he feels like it) and these guys were all a part of GnR not just Axl. So they got all the right in the world.

And Axl hasn't done shit with it anyway. He introduced a few new songs and toured on the old ones. He doesn't even have an album. Still!

VR on the other hand has made a music video, are setting tv dates, are going to tour and is getting ready to drop an album.

So if they did use the GnR name, which they have EVERY RIGHT TOO, at least they are doing something with it.

[SLCPUNK]

I don't see why he would be pissed though. They have obviously offered him a chance to appear on the show. From what we know so far, he has obviously declined as his name was not on the press release thing. If he doesn't like the way it comes out he has absolutely no one to blame but himself.

This is 100% dead on. I can't believe people on here are getting all worked up about BTM as a platform for VR. Give me a break.

 Right now we don't know shit about this. Rumors will fly and we'll know how it really goes down when the show airs. Maybe Axl will have a lot more to do with it then we think. Maybe not. Maybe it will be totally unbias and at the end it'll say "Axl has reformed and is working (haha) on CD" and "The remainder have gone on to become VR". I have a feeling that is all it's going to be.

Now if the other guys give interviews and Axl doesn't, it's obvious that they can talk a bit about VR. But I really don't think more than 3-5 minutes of the show (assuming it's an hour show) is going to be about the new bands.

[jarmo]

Without Axl and Izzy, something is gonna be missingfrom the show that's for sure.

But Izzy probably doesn't want to do tv and maybe Axl doesn't want to help promote VR....

Wonder if Axl would agree if no VR members were in it or VR wasn't mentioned at all?


/jarmo

[Falcon]

Without Axl and Izzy, something is gonna be missingfrom the show that's for sure.



Wonder if Axl would agree if no VR members were in it or VR wasn't mentioned at all?


/jarmo

I wondered the same thing, but odds are he wouldn't.  I can't see him participating in anything public until the release of CD is eminent.  Even then is stretch, PR has never been Axl's strong suit.

I wonder if VR will even be mentioned in this program prominently or just a s a segue into to VH1's VR special..

[POPmetal]

But that's exactly what Axl did.

Exactly. Axl did and does (when he feels like it) and these guys were all a part of GnR not just Axl. So they got all the right in the world.

And Axl hasn't done shit with it anyway. He introduced a few new songs and toured on the old ones. He doesn't even have an album. Still!

VR on the other hand has made a music video, are setting tv dates, are going to tour and is getting ready to drop an album.

So if they did use the GnR name, which they have EVERY RIGHT TOO, at least they are doing something with it.

WRONG! They walked out on the band so:
1) they don't have the legal right to use it.
2) they don't have the moral right to use it to promote a DIFFERENT band.

TIMING is everything. If this came out at the time GH was released, or if it came out in December, or at any other time, I can see how this is just VH1 cashing in on the GN'R name. But this is timed to air the week before Contraband. I'm not that naive! VR's management has its hands all over this (if the rumor is true in the first place).

Saying in every press release that they are former members is fine, but putting on a show about the past of GN'R with the goal of promoting their new band is just sleazy marketing.

If they want to use the name, they shouldn't have quit GN'R. Axl is the one who soldiered on through all the shit and is still trying to get it together in spite of all the bullshit going on in the music industry. The least Slash and Duff can do is get over the fact that they are no longer in GN'R, and stop getting in Axl's way (after all, he does an excellent job of doing that himself, he doesn't need the extra help). VR should be able to stand on its own merits, they shouldn't have to exploit the GN'R name to get attention.

[POPmetal]

Without Axl and Izzy, something is gonna be missingfrom the show that's for sure.

But Izzy probably doesn't want to do tv and maybe Axl doesn't want to help promote VR....

Wonder if Axl would agree if no VR members were in it or VR wasn't mentioned at all?


/jarmo

I'm guessing VR probably wouldn't be mentioned in it much, if at all. If the press release is true, it sounds like "GN'R" BTM is merely a prequel to The Making of Velvet Revolver.

I think it would be wise for Axl to avert this ambush by going to VH1 and saying that he will do GN'R Behind the Music, IF they push back the airing to coincide with Chinese Democracy and if GN'R are given full editorial control.

[Falcon]

But that's exactly what Axl did.

Exactly. Axl did and does (when he feels like it) and these guys were all a part of GnR not just Axl. So they got all the right in the world.

And Axl hasn't done shit with it anyway. He introduced a few new songs and toured on the old ones. He doesn't even have an album. Still!

VR on the other hand has made a music video, are setting tv dates, are going to tour and is getting ready to drop an album.

So if they did use the GnR name, which they have EVERY RIGHT TOO, at least they are doing something with it.

WRONG! They walked out on the band so:
1) they don't have the legal right to use it.
2) they don't have the moral right to promote a DIFFERENT band.

TIMING is everything. If this came out at the time GH was released, or if it came out in December, or at any other time, I can see how this is just VH1 cashing in on the GN'R name. But this is timed to air the week before Contraband. I'm not that naive! VR's management has its hands all over this (if the rumor is true in the first place).

Saying in every press release that they are former members is fine, but putting on a show about the past of GN'R with the goal of promoting their new band is just sleazy marketing.

If they want to use the name, they shouldn't have quit GN'R. Axl is the one who soldiered on through all the shit and is still trying to get it together in spite of all the bullshit going on in the music industry. The least Slash and Duff can do is get over the fact that they are no longer in GN'R. VR should be able to stand on its own merits, they shouldn't have to exploit the GN'R name to get attention.

I understand where you're coming from Pop, but let's be realistic..

VH1 is doing some cross promotion for their own benefit while VR's management is doing everything they can possibly due to promote their client, I'd hold comments like " they shouldn't have to exploit the GN'R name to get attention." to yourself until
you actually see the program and how/if VR is even mentioned.
I mean seriously, why would Duff and Slash even consent to doing it if it wasn't beneficial to them, IE concurrent airdate?

Either way, this (in my eyes) can only help New GNR, it get's the name back out there and helps bring attention to the band in general, no different than the GH package has done already..

[POPmetal]

But that's exactly what Axl did.

Exactly. Axl did and does (when he feels like it) and these guys were all a part of GnR not just Axl. So they got all the right in the world.

And Axl hasn't done shit with it anyway. He introduced a few new songs and toured on the old ones. He doesn't even have an album. Still!

VR on the other hand has made a music video, are setting tv dates, are going to tour and is getting ready to drop an album.

So if they did use the GnR name, which they have EVERY RIGHT TOO, at least they are doing something with it.

WRONG! They walked out on the band so:
1) they don't have the legal right to use it.
2) they don't have the moral right to promote a DIFFERENT band.

TIMING is everything. If this came out at the time GH was released, or if it came out in December, or at any other time, I can see how this is just VH1 cashing in on the GN'R name. But this is timed to air the week before Contraband. I'm not that naive! VR's management has its hands all over this (if the rumor is true in the first place).

Saying in every press release that they are former members is fine, but putting on a show about the past of GN'R with the goal of promoting their new band is just sleazy marketing.

If they want to use the name, they shouldn't have quit GN'R. Axl is the one who soldiered on through all the shit and is still trying to get it together in spite of all the bullshit going on in the music industry. The least Slash and Duff can do is get over the fact that they are no longer in GN'R. VR should be able to stand on its own merits, they shouldn't have to exploit the GN'R name to get attention.

I understand where you're coming from Pop, but let's be realistic..

VH1 is doing some cross promotion for their own benefit while VR's management is doing everything they can possibly due to promote their client, I'd hold comments like " they shouldn't have to exploit the GN'R name to get attention." to yourself until
you actually see the program and how/if VR is even mentioned.
I mean seriously, why would Duff and Slash even consent to doing it if it wasn't beneficial to them?

Either way, this (in my eyes) can only help New GNR, it get's the name back out there and helps bring attention to the band in general, no different than the GH package has done already..

I don't think that they have to mention VR at all in order for it to promote Contraband. It's all in the timing. It's still exploiting the GN'R name for the promotion of VR because Contraband is coming out the week after.

Now that I think about it, you have a point about the show helping GN'R in the way the GH has, but then again, if this so called "GN'R" BTM does air, Axl will not have the option of making a BTM in support of the release of CD (if it ever comes out). So in the end I still don't like the idea of it.

[Falcon]

Who's to say Axl didn't/won't have the opportunity for a BTM (or any VH1 special) when and if CD is released?  I would think he'd be a hot interview commodity no matter what the circumstance.  

The timing issue makes marketing sense for both VH1 and VR, it's just business.

[Naupis]

He's had over 5-6 years now to use a GNR BTM to promote his Cd and got beat to the punch. I see nothing wrong with what VR is doing. They actually have a CD to share with the world and have decided to exploit their pasts as a marketing tool. If Axl worried as much about marketing and releasing cd's as VR does right now we would have CD and GNR would be the biggest band in the world. Instead we are going to have yet another documentary making him look like a chump who can't release a CD without Slash/Duff and company. This silence that everyone on this board perpetually supports is biting him in the rear. He could have done the same thing their doing, release a CD and use the BTM as a promotional tool. For whatever reason he just either can't or won't. You've heard the old saying, "The early bird gets the worm." In this case the worm was the GNR BTM.

[Acquiesce]

It's a bit disappointing that Axl is not participating but it's not surprising in the least. It's obvious he doesn't want anything to do with the old band. Besides, he wouldn't be able to spin a story that is favorable to him if the others participate.

I'm more bummed that Izzy is not participating because it would be nice to hear from him. I also think it's weird that Matt has not been asked to participate yet Gilby has been asked.

[SLCPUNK]

But that's exactly what Axl did.

Exactly. Axl did and does (when he feels like it) and these guys were all a part of GnR not just Axl. So they got all the right in the world.

And Axl hasn't done shit with it anyway. He introduced a few new songs and toured on the old ones. He doesn't even have an album. Still!

VR on the other hand has made a music video, are setting tv dates, are going to tour and is getting ready to drop an album.

So if they did use the GnR name, which they have EVERY RIGHT TOO, at least they are doing something with it.

WRONG! They walked out on the band so:
1) they don't have the legal right to use it.
2) they don't have the moral right to use it to promote a DIFFERENT band.

TIMING is everything. If this came out at the time GH was released, or if it came out in December, or at any other time, I can see how this is just VH1 cashing in on the GN'R name. But this is timed to air the week before Contraband. I'm not that naive! VR's management has its hands all over this (if the rumor is true in the first place).

Saying in every press release that they are former members is fine, but putting on a show about the past of GN'R with the goal of promoting their new band is just sleazy marketing.

Haha. You guys crack me up. You'd think it was a VR special VH1 is playing. It's a fuckin' GnR BTM! Those guys were in GnR...they helped make that band. So they have every right to be titled "formerly of Guns n Roses". You think they shouldn't put that on their resume because they quit the band? haha, yea right.

Like I said I highly doubt that they'll spend lots of time on VR or the new GnR.

Afterall it's a show about GnR!!

Besides all Axl has is the name. It's a new band, like it or not. And if he's done anything with it, he's damaged the name. The other guys quit and look what he did with it..........NADA!

[Mattgnr]

I agree with SLCPUNK