GN'R Behind THe Music is supposedly being produced.

[NickNasty]

Don't neccesarily take all these "events" as signs. First, GH was released against the will of both old and new GNR members. Secondly the Hollywood Rose thing is being put out on a label completely independent of Geffen. My bet is the VH1 thing is a cobbling of old interviews and newer ones with people who had brief associations with the name. Until Axl speaks, nothing is happening.

[grog mug]

Dave is part of the new band/Axl project.  Why would they interview him if it has anything to do with the old band.  I think it has something to do with CD's release.  Why would they do it all the sudden just doesn't make much sense to me, anyone e-mail VH1 yet?
Took this from another board.

Josh Freese is awesome. I was and still am a bit sad the guy is out of G N' R -his drumming on Big Daddy SCOM and Oh My God rocks.

The Behind The Music episode is real interesting -I have a friend who works at VH1 and the producer he works for knows a lot of info on this. From what he last found out from her (this was about a month ago), the producers in L.A. putting it together were either going to do a visual episode of the SPIN and RS article that were written a few years ago, or do a "fair" and "non-biased" piece -but it all depended on a certain "someone's" participation to determine which way the pendulum would swing.
I dont see the latter happening, so I expect what you guys have already summarized and what my buddy told me last...-a visual of the Spin and RS articles, with comments from old managers, booking agents, club owners, bands that never got famous but were around when G N' R were playing all the clubs on The Strip (and now this is their 15 minutes), and some interview clips with Adler, Clarke...hey maybe even the 976-HORN section will make an appearance.
I expect the VH1 producers to hit the archives pretty hard -digging up the best Axl interview clips they can get from all these years to use whenever they need to.

I think they are aiming for a late July, August airing -I think new episodes of the show are starting at the end of June.

[jarmo]

GUNS N' ROSES: VH1 Documentary To Air In June
 
 
VH1 is reportedly working on a "Behind the Music"-style documentary covering the early days of GUNS N' ROSES. Among the people that are set to contribute to the project are original members Slash, Duff McKagan and Steven Adler, plus Tom Zutaut (former A&R executive at Geffen Records), Josh Richman (video director), Teddy Andreadis (keyboard player), Dave Navarro (JANE'S ADDICTION, ex-RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS), Warren De Martini (ex-RATT), Gilby Clark (ex-GUNS N' ROSES) and Mike Clink (GNR producer). The documentary is scheduled to air first week in June, followed a week later by "The Making of Velvet Revolver", a behind-the-scenes look at how Slash and Duff's new band, VELVET REVOLVER, got constructed, from the songwriting process to the singer search and studio sessions. More information will be made available soon.  
 
Source(s): http://www.roadrun.com/blabbermouth.net/  
 
 
/jarmo

[DRUNK]

Uh oh, Axl's gonna be PISSED!!!!

Not good, not good at all. But then again, it is blabbermouth, and they aren't that reliable.  They wouldn't know all the details anyway.  They probably just made the report out of what they heard on this site or the radio show.  They wouldn't know if Axl was participating or not.


But if Axl isn't participating, things are not going to be good.  But then again, maybe this will give Axl the hate he needs to drive him to succeed.  When you're off the streets and living in a mansion with money, it gets harder and harder to get angry with your life.  Maybe he needs this type of rage and hatred that could come from this.

[SLCPUNK]

If Axl isn't going to participate in this, and not use it to expedite the release of CD, then he is 1) Foolish and 2) Probably never going to release CD.

My two cents.

[pilferk]

if axl is not involved vh1 might not get permission to use gnr music on it.

They already play GNR music on various other shows.  Geffen is the one who owns the master recordings, so they wouldn't need Axl's consent anyhow.

True, but not true.  Anything with an Axl writers credit (or a credit Axl was included in) they could not publish or rebroadcast without express permission.  Geffen may own the masters, but they don't "own" the actual material, itself.

HOWEVER, given there are videos of most of their well known stuff, and that MTV/VH1 has permission to play those videos, I'm not sure, legally, what Axl could do about inclusion of THAT material. Possibly nothing.

The fact of the matter is, if Axl didn't/doesn't agree to the show, they would be unable to  use any "official" GnR material that they don't already have permission to use.... the question is, though, what do they "have permission to use", at this point.  If, as I suspect, they can use all the videos (provided they show footage, not just audio), would they REALLY need any more material?

[Limulus]

VH1 contacted some bigger collectors to get access for some more inside info and also some boots (!!). interesting fans are contacted for that, but also seems to me that there wont be unseen live material in the VH1 show, thats why they asked for boots probably.

Limulus

[Naupis]

I am pretty sure VH1 has done this whole BTM thing enough times to know the procedure and make sure they don't get sued. We act like Axl is the only one in the world with lawyers on this board. Thankfully, I am happy that at least someone is taking advantage of the whole GNR BTM thing to promote an album. And then a making of VR the week after, that is shear marketing genius. You would have hoped it could have been GNR BTM and then the making of the New GNR, but I guess that would take too much common sense. I am just tired of seeing the great opportunities go by the way side becuase there is absolutely no album in site and everyone beats Axl to the punch. This is a major bummer. (Although it will be cool to see the VR stuff, sucks Izzy isn't participating though  )

[Freya]

Axl is most likely going to be pissed over this.  Especially since this is being used to promote VR.  I'm guessing this is what Slash meant by things having to be "worked out" with VH1 over their show being released.  I hope Slash and Duff have some control over the way VH1 editorialize their comments, but you know Adler is too stupid not to spill everything.  It will be interesting to hear Mike Clink speak, I can't wait to see it.  

What would they be asking Warren DeMartini about I wonder?

[Naupis]

I don't see why he would be pissed though. They have obviously offered him a chance to appear on the show. From what we know so far, he has obviously declined as his name was not on the press release thing. If he doesn't like the way it comes out he has absolutely no one to blame but himself. He could easily go on the show and defend himself, but is instead choosing to let the media further smear his name. I am beginning to think he really is done because you don't just wake up one morning, decide your mentally stable, and decide today's the day I am going to embark on a 3 year journey of non-stop tourning and album releases. He is obviously not ready for press commitments or to show up to shows consistently, and I just haven't seen anything in the past 10 years that would suggest otherwise. It is really very very sad.

[jarmo]

What would they be asking Warren DeMartini about I wonder?

How it was on the Sunset Strip scene?  


/jarmo

[Doc Emmett Brown]

VH1 is reportedly working on a "Behind the Music"-style documentary covering the early days of GUNS N' ROSES. Among the people that are set to contribute to the project are original members Slash, Duff McKagan and Steven Adler,

Early days huh?  Sounds good to me, but they chose Teddy Zigzag over Izzy?  Maybe Izzy didnt wanna participate...   That sucks, his sense of humor alone would be the best part of the show.

The documentary is scheduled to air first week in June, followed a week later by "The Making of Velvet Revolver", a behind-the-scenes look at how Slash and Duff's new band, VELVET REVOLVER, got constructed, from the songwriting process to the singer search and studio sessions. More information will be made available soon.  

I thought VR was not "in agreement" with VH1 over how the auditions would be portrayed?  Either they came to an agreement or something is strange with this news.

[POPmetal]

GUNS N' ROSES: VH1 Documentary To Air In June
 
 
VH1 is reportedly working on a "Behind the Music"-style documentary covering the early days of GUNS N' ROSES. Among the people that are set to contribute to the project are original members Slash, Duff McKagan and Steven Adler, plus Tom Zutaut (former A&R executive at Geffen Records), Josh Richman (video director), Teddy Andreadis (keyboard player), Dave Navarro (JANE'S ADDICTION, ex-RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS), Warren De Martini (ex-RATT), Gilby Clark (ex-GUNS N' ROSES) and Mike Clink (GNR producer). The documentary is scheduled to air first week in June, followed a week later by "The Making of Velvet Revolver", a behind-the-scenes look at how Slash and Duff's new band, VELVET REVOLVER, got constructed, from the songwriting process to the singer search and studio sessions. More information will be made available soon.  
 
Source(s): http://www.roadrun.com/blabbermouth.net/  
 
 
/jarmo

If this is true, it sounds like Slash and Duff are exploiting their past involvement in GN'R to promote Contraband while at the same time ambushing any plans Axl might have to release CD. If a BTM on GN'R as described by blabbermouth airs, it would probably bring about more delays to the release of CD than the failed tour did.

[Malcolm]

GUNS N' ROSES: VH1 Documentary To Air In June
 
 
VH1 is reportedly working on a "Behind the Music"-style documentary covering the early days of GUNS N' ROSES. Among the people that are set to contribute to the project are original members Slash, Duff McKagan and Steven Adler, plus Tom Zutaut (former A&R executive at Geffen Records), Josh Richman (video director), Teddy Andreadis (keyboard player), Dave Navarro (JANE'S ADDICTION, ex-RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS), Warren De Martini (ex-RATT), Gilby Clark (ex-GUNS N' ROSES) and Mike Clink (GNR producer). The documentary is scheduled to air first week in June, followed a week later by "The Making of Velvet Revolver", a behind-the-scenes look at how Slash and Duff's new band, VELVET REVOLVER, got constructed, from the songwriting process to the singer search and studio sessions. More information will be made available soon.  
 
Source(s): http://www.roadrun.com/blabbermouth.net/  
 
 
/jarmo

If this is true, it sounds like Slash and Duff are exploiting their past involvement in GN'R to promote Contraband while at the same time ambushing any plans Axl might have to release CD. If a BTM on GN'R as described by blabbermouth airs, it would probably bring about more delays to the release of CD than the failed tour did.

I agree this sounds like garbage...Axl said one day you would hear his side of the story...this is suppose to be it and with all do respect to slash and duff with gnr...There not Gnr anymore and the real GNR IS Axl...and from what i read axl isnt involved in this...come on..this is bull croap...i still cant wai tto see this but i think slash and duff are gonna use this to contribute to promotion for Contraband.....

Do you think Axl even knows about this??

[Naupis]

Again, he was asked to participate most likely given that it is a GNR BTM. If he chooses not to participate, who does he have to blame or get angry with about this other than himself. It is time for Axl to be a big boy and either piss or get off the pot. Can you blame Slash/Duff for doing this? They, unlike Axl, are trying to use the media to promote an album which their fans will actually see. There is nothing that says Axl can't do the same thing, he is just choosing not to. I am sure BTM would love to have him, but he doesn't want to participate. How is that Slash and Duff's fault, they would probably like to have him on it to. Those two were involved in everything that will most likely be talked about because nothing of substance with GNR has happened in 10 years, so I don't see what the big deal is. Its not like they are going to be talking about the CD recordings or anything like that.

[Freya]

If he chooses not to participate, who does he have to blame or get angry with about this other than himself. It is time for Axl to be a big boy and either piss or get off the pot. Can you blame Slash/Duff for doing this?

No, you can't blame them for doing it.  I understand why Axl would never do anything like this though.  They would have to ask him about everything, the feuds, the riots, the lateness, OIAM, abuse allegations, control issues in the band.  I can see why he doesn't want to answer.  Certainly, this documentary will be discussing Axl a lot.  We'll just see if Slash and Duff have any influence over how Axl is portrayed, I know they don't like to bash him.  

[younggunner]

my respect for slash and duff has just diminished. Why use the gnr name to promote another band.

thats gay.

Plus how can you do a btm of gnr without axl and izzy? makes no sense. If a serious documentary is to be done on gnr it has to be done properly not half ass. No1 cares about slash and duffs side of the story we have heard it countless times.

We all know how this btm is gonna air. its gonan document old gnr. and then when they talk about vr and new gnr its gonna paint a one sided picture. You have to have axl on the show in order for this to be legit.

 the fact that slash and duff agreed to this tells me that all they care about is using the old gnr name to promote vr. and thats dick. if they werent concerned about that they would have done it the right and fair way....whatever...

Im not saying we should all forget about slash and duff and that they arent entitled to their reconigintion in gnr. but if vr wasnt out this wouldnt be happening. just do it the right way is all im saying.and they aint doin that

[Naupis]

They are using the name to promote themselves because there is somewhat of a GNR revival going on and they want to re-connect with the public that they were the ones who wrote and played those songs that are once again popular. Then people might once again get interested in their new band, and buy their stuff. I know you know that but I figured I would just throw it out there. Frankly I think its great at least someone is trying to use the GNR franchise for something productive because God knows Axl either doesn't know or has forgot how to do so. The name carries alot of clout, they want to attach their names to it for the same reason Axl insists on using it, that it is recognizable and has a built in fan base. I mean they did have their name on everything GNr has ever released short of Oh My God, so can you blame them for wanting to remind people it was them who played on all those classic songs while promoting their new stuff at the same time? A smart business man would do so, we just lose site of the fact that is what normal people do to actually promote an album because in GNR land we don't have a chance to see things like promotion for album releases.

[Freya]

Why use the gnr name to promote another band.

thats gay.

But that's exactly what Axl did.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

What a joke, this would be like doing a BTM for metallica with out Hetfield or doing a BTM for Pearl Jam with out Eddie Veddar.

I wonder if axl can stop this since he owns the name to guns n roses and not duff and slash.