GN'R Behind THe Music is supposedly being produced.

[Izzy]

Matt said it was after a show back in the UYI days, typically, they were all wasted out of their minds when "lawyer types" presented them with papers to sign.  To there own detriment, they signed the documents in their impaired states and relinquished the rights to the name "Guns N Roses" soley to Axl Rose.  Matt took full responsibility for his actions and said he immediately realized that was in fact, the beginning of the end.

I don't understand

Why would Matt - with no claim on the GNR name at all be required to relinguish his claim to it He was merely an employee of Guns N Roses.....

Also Slash tells it differently...

he says it was before a show - Axl refused to go on stage unless they signed a release saying that if they were to ever leave they would forfeit their claim to the GNR name and it would revert soley to Axl.......

[Falcon]

Obviously there is more to this than meets the eye. Matt would definitely be involved if this was to be a promotion-vehicle for VR. Him not being involved is a huge hint that Axl is involved.

That's a really good point. If this was a VR themed BTM, Matt would have been involved and Dave Navarro would not have been involved.

Also, it's hard to picture VR's management or publicity having the juice make this happen for their own purposes. If it were possible to do a BTM without Axl's approval it would have happened years ago. I don't even think VH1 would want to do one without Axl's involvement, apart from the issue of Axl stepping in to put the kabosh on it.

Once again, VH1 doesn't need Axl's involvement, let alone approval to do a BTM episode on GNR.  His approval and participation would make for a better final product, no doubt.
But he's hardly necessary for them to produce the show.  He is absolutely powerless to stop the project, no different than the GH's legal BS...

And also, Navarro never mentioned this having anything to do with VR nor the promotion of anything VR related.

I realize we're all hungry for news and look for some sort of beacon pointing in the direction of an eminent release date for CD
but at least speculate in a logical manner and leave the conspiracy theories to Oliver Stone..

[Falcon]

Matt said it was after a show back in the UYI days, typically, they were all wasted out of their minds when "lawyer types" presented them with papers to sign.  To there own detriment, they signed the documents in their impaired states and relinquished the rights to the name "Guns N Roses" soley to Axl Rose.  Matt took full responsibility for his actions and said he immediately realized that was in fact, the beginning of the end.

I don't understand

Why would Matt - with no claim on the GNR name at all be required to relinguish his claim to it He was merely an employee of Guns N Roses.....

Also Slash tells it differently...

he says it was before a show - Axl refused to go on stage unless they signed a release saying that if they were to ever leave they would forfeit their claim to the GNR name and it would revert soley to Axl.......

Not sure, just repeating what Matt said on the show..

Hey Izzy, was Matt ever considered a "full member" or hired gun?
I've never had clarification on that...

[Izzy]

Hey Izzy, was Matt ever considered a "full member" or hired gun?
I've never had clarification on that...

Well if Matt was being accurate - then he was a full blown member like Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy and Steven were.....

I have always assumed Matt was employed on a similiar basis that Finck, Fortus and that lot are - recieving a salary from the band...

Axl mentions the situation a few times but never really gives a good answer

[Walapino]

Didnt Slash said once he would never do this type of shows??? Cant quite remember but me thinks he said it  
So it prolly either hsa Axl involved and new band with guys like Navarro or neither VR guys and Axl is involved... guess is a wait and see situation.

[kannon21]

A few days ago this was posted on the NewGnr board :

 phc

Member#: 627

Usergroups: none

Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 6:56 pm    Post subject: you pricks!!!!  

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yes, i d/l it from STG and put it on ebay 1 day after i finished downloading. if i would have bought it 2 weeks before i would have sold it more fast. this means i also copied Johns setlist exactly he gave on STG. compare to my ebay auctions with always new accounts i am doing!
I DO HAVE THE ACESHIGH AND LANGLEY WEBPAGES,I CHECK THEM EVERYDAY...HELL,THE DUDE THAT RUNS ACESHIGH CONTACTS ME WHEN NEW SHIT COMES OUT!!!! I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOREVER AND I HAVE ALOT OF THE SAME CONTACTS YOU PRICKS DO...now on a side note...this is for john...vh1 is doing a behind the music for gn'r and of course they contacted me to help out a little bit...now i told them to contact you john because that really is the right thing to do,hell you should have made the live era cd's!!!...i don't like how you have handled this whole situation but i still think gn'r deserves the right person for this show...now if you are interested,contact me at gayseller@crap.net and i'll give you the producers e-mail...i already gave her your webpage but it was down at the time...this is no bullshit this is for real...you have been giving me the blues for awhile but i still have respect for your contribution to the whole gn'r thing....

http://www.newgnr.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=4905&start=90

At the time i thought it was bs. However, maybe this guy has more info. than most of us, who knows  

[HoldenCaulfield]

Well, it seems as though Dizzy won't be doing the BTM, as I just found out. That doesn't necessarily mean that it's pro or con Axl, but I just know Dizzy will not be interviewed...

[Walapino]

what an exiting email... gayseller? loooooooooooool

[neko]

well i havent seen many BTM , but i guess thay have some reputation no? so if they let Axl give his point of view and dont let Matt and the others to be in the show it would be like VH1 is taking Axl side and they will be compromising their reputation .  the show is for telling the real story of what happen behind the bands , you cant have the "Real" story if you just let Axl speak (im a huge Axl fan , but we all know what would happen).

[Falcon]

Well, it seems as though Dizzy won't be doing the BTM, as I just found out. That doesn't necessarily mean that it's pro or con Axl, but I just know Dizzy will not be interviewed...

Please explain...

[Eva GnRAxlRosette]

"Well, it seems as though Dizzy won't be doing the BTM, as I just found out. That doesn't necessarily mean that it's pro or con Axl, but I just know Dizzy will not be interviewed... "

eh.... this would seem to mean that Axl IS NOT involved... who knows.... perhaps not even Slash, Duff, Izzy, or Steven will be included... this smells to me like its gonna be doen totally from the perspective of those 'close to' the band... but not too close...   no one who has been IN the band will be in it.  It'll be everyone else around them that will be called on for their 2 cents  

makes ya wonder what angle the show is gonna take....

[HoldenCaulfield]

I can't really go into detail, as I have with several people on here, but it's a source very close to the band, and they told me Dizzy will not be interviewed. I don't have sources as far as Mysteron, but I have a few things going on...

[POPmetal]

well i havent seen many BTM , but i guess thay have some reputation no? so if they let Axl give his point of view and dont let Matt and the others to be in the show it would be like VH1 is taking Axl side and they will be compromising their reputation .  the show is for telling the real story of what happen behind the bands , you cant have the "Real" story if you just let Axl speak (im a huge Axl fan , but we all know what would happen).

It's not just up to VH1. I remember reading something about how a former band member refused to be interviewed for BTM because the band had editorial control and he was afraid that the band would present the interview in a way to make him look bad. I think it was about the Megadeth BTM.

I'd prefer to hear Axl's story anyway. Slash and Matt have been all over the media saying what they have to say. There's not much new they could add. Perhaps they could get their story straight on exactly how it was they signed away their rights to the GN'R name, but that's about it.

[Freya]

I seriously doubt Axl would ever do a BTM.  They don't need him to anyway, they want people to talk about him, the dirt, and there's a lot to talk about.  I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that Steven Adler is in it.  Alan Niven too, I bet.  

[IndiannaRose]

There is a reason for this. VH1 wouldn't just do this show just because they decided to and not for any particular reason. If that was the case they could have done it at anytime. They even asked Axl and Slash at one point to be part of it but they refused so the project was scratched. So why suddenly in the year 2004 have they decided it's time for it? There is an impulsive behind this. It may be the Contraband disc,Greatest Hits,or maybe even Chinese Democracy. They want a show with good ratings and they want a quality show. The artists have to have some editorial control and I'm sure VH1 would want them to have so. Just don't forget this. There is an incentive to this whole deal and the choices are narrowing as this thread goes on. The reason for this sudden Behind the Music is what we must figure out.

[Jizzo]

As of right now all we know is Dave Navarro filmed an interview for a GNR BTM. Until the show comes out or other people confirm they are on it we have no idea what it will be about and who talks about it.

[neko]

There is a reason for this. VH1 wouldn't just do this show just because they decided to and not for any particular reason. If that was the case they could have done it at anytime. They even asked Axl and Slash at one point to be part of it but they refused so the project was scratched. So why suddenly in the year 2004 have they decided it's time for it? There is an impulsive behind this. It may be the Contraband disc,Greatest Hits,or maybe even Chinese Democracy. They want a show with good ratings and they want a quality show. The artists have to have some editorial control and I'm sure VH1 would want them to have so. Just don't forget this. There is an incentive to this whole deal and the choices are narrowing as this thread goes on. The reason for this sudden Behind the Music is what we must figure out.

i agree with you , now it seems that Axl and Guns are popular again , more that in the past years , but im almost positive that this is not a sign for Chinese Democracy , i think theres no sign , when Axl appear at the VMA 2002 it was like the sign but nothing happen , then the tour and nothing , i think we should learn from the past and stop looking for signs , i dont think Axl has a plan for the release yet , and i dont think his wating for a big moment.

[loretian]

I wouldn't take this BTM to mean much, but it could mean something.  BTM's (apparently) are usually used to promote bands, but that's not always the case.

So far, it looks like neither Dizzy or Matt are involved.  Who knows, but that sounds like VH1 is just doing this on their own, probably because of the GH release, and VR, and the possibility that CD will be released this year.  That's just my guess.

Btw, as far as the "Axl demanding rights to the Gn'R name" thing goes... just to clarify, the so-called rights Axl had them sign over (which, to my understanding, he did in the way Slash indicated) didn't actually give Axl full control of the name right away.  The contracts said if any member of the band left the band, his rights would be handed over to Axl.  So, it wasn't until Duff left the band that Axl was entirely in control and had total ownership of the name.  That's why you hear conflicting stories as to when Axl gained ownership of the band.

[NickNasty]

Right now, anything related to GNR seems hot, VH1 would be crazy not to capitalize, whether any of the old or new members are involved or not. I'm almost betting this is souly a Vh1 thing. It's nice to think it has something to do with CD though.

[Blasphemy]

  In my opionion this is a sign for Chinese Democracy.  First the greastist hits album and now the new album "roots of guns n roses"  comin out on june 1st. And now the Behind the Music.  I mean its as if there tryin to do this huge promotion with out lookin like there tryin to do any promoting.  Then boom I bet the album is out by fall this yr.  Why all of a sudden is all this guns n roses shit comin from everywhere there has to be a reason for it. anyways thats my thought on the whole deal.